It's the offseason, I don't have games to watch. Sorry, I think the SB embarassment is deserving of some significant scrutiny, not that anything I say actually matters of course.

I'm giving them the benefit of admitting it is going to be incredibly difficult to address OT, is it too much to ask that if they cannot adequately improve OT to at least alter the offensive system to make it easier on the OTs? I mean, it's been discussed in depth on here that they seemingly gave little to no help to Suamataia and then turned around and gave more help to Morris and others when they played. I'm no expert on this at all, but I've seen mention that their vertical set usage has made it more difficult at times and Taylor has often telegraphed that it's a pass play. It sure seems like there is a lot of wiggle room from coaching and design of the offense to make life easier on the players. Am I wrong?

I'd much rather take my chances with him than a known below average asset like Robinson or broken down vets in the twilight of their careers like Humphries or Stanley.

It gets to a point where all these veteran options leave much to be desired and the draft is apparently less than at the position that you start to ask, what if they just went WR/TE/RB with two of their first picks (because they are BPA), and just say **** you you can’t cover all our guys.

Like IDK, but it seems we are headed toward another risk at the LT position, not because they want to, but because there aren’t enough supply. If you’re going to be stuck with a question mark there no matter what, might as well stress defenses any other way you can.

If I can get the ball out in the hands of Rice/Worthy/insert explosive RB+WR who are also added to the roster, that’s tough to contend with especially when you consider no matter what we should be better at LT next year.

Jackson has a much higher ceiling than all the rest and I don't see his floor being too much lower in a worst case scenario. Humphries and Stanley are almost definitely missing games with injury and Robinson just isn't very good regardless.

This is honestly how I've been feeling too. Just think how much Rice alone helps in the SB. They just didn't have that easy button, and that hurt as much as the OL. Now imagine if they had a stud RB they could lean on too. If they can just be adequate there, with more weapons, the offense will be back to elite.

Pretty much where I’m at.

I think he opens the draft up, because the Chiefs don’t have to draft a tackle early if the board doesn’t fall right.

He at a minimum allows the Chiefs to kick the can down the road a bit. Kingsley can play RG and have time to develop behind Jackson.

Jackson himself is very average himself. I don’t think there is much difference in him and Robinson. In fact Robinson has been asked to do more of what Reid expects than Jackson has. Jackson was very sheltered in LA last year, making his numbers a false hope high level. You’ll be paying him 20+ million a year for a very average tackle. And off you think Taylor drives people here crazy, this guy will start a mutiny.

You could have lined up Chase and Jefferson out wide and it wouldn't have made a lick of difference in that game. It was that bad of a performance by both the OL and Mahomes.

There’s no perfect option here.

Chiefs just need to mitigate the risk as best they can.

Robinson gave up 21 pressures in the last 2 games of the season. Jackson gave up 22 all season. No, they are not anywhere near equivalent. Jackson is young and has plenty of room to develop even further into a very good LT. Cam Robinson is near 30 and at best provides you a baseline of mediocre LT play for top pay, and even that is being generous.

If Aleric Jackson is available it makes just too much sense.

He's young, he's good, Veach will get him. Probably will be an overpay but that's fine.

Probably wouldn't expect much of anything else in FA. Probably go WR in rounds 1 or 2 again. We could attack offense with our higher picks this draft. The defense should be top 10 again.

I do think someone like Justin Simmons would be good on a cheap 1 year deal to replace Reid. That would be my plan of attack.

So theyre the same player cept Jackson is just getting into his prime.

Aleric Jackson diagnosed with blood clots and placed on season ending Injured Reserve… in 2022.

The Chiefs took a chance with Trey Smith with blood clots and that was successful… but still a risk to consider.

This is exactly what I’ve been thinking lately. Josh Conerly is the only possible LT prospect that will be available and his lack of strength and inconsistent technique feels like he’d be just as much of a project as Kingsley and I don’t want to waste another high pick on that again.

Right now I’d strongly consider trading up for Coleston Loveland (assuming that’s even possible) or taking TreVeyon Henderson.

Yeah I don’t want any part of a rookie LT that isn’t much, much more polished than Kingsley was.

Everyone would probably agree that the best outcome is drafting a 1st round LT that goes on to be the next Eric Fisher +. That’s also the least likely outcome based on the info we have so far.

There’s worse ideas than grabbing a 2-3 year stop gap and attacking skill positions or defense in the draft for a team to try to win the SB next season. Gibbs and LaPorta were tremendous picks for Detroit.

Still in the sign Humphries and keep polishing Kingsley camp. None of the FA options are much better than Humphries. He’ll likely be cheaper. And we need a long term in house solution ala Kingsley. He’s got the size speed and agility required. Just raw af.

I wonder where the Chiefs think Kingsley is.


They know if he actually was making real progress or not.

But scheme plays into those numbers. As well as QB. Stafford gets the ball out quicker than Darnold. And McKvay did a lot to cover Jackson. That won’t be the same here.

Again off you think Taylor making 20 million infuriates people here. This dude making 20 million would start a riot

Off that’s what you want to take from everything. Seems a bit short sighted though

I don’t mind this. But I would draft Ersary or Belton to compete with Kingsley too.

Sam Darnold was responsible for a lot of those pressures

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sam Darnold had an EPA of -27.4 last night, according to <a href="https://twitter.com/NextGenStats?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NextGenStats</a>.<br><br>He was 9-17 for 84 yards and an INT when pressured. Six of the Rams&#39; nine sacks came at least 4.4 seconds after the snap. <a href="https://t.co/tVEePnIRSj">pic.twitter.com/tVEePnIRSj</a></p>&mdash; Ben Goessling (@BenGoessling) <a href="https://twitter.com/BenGoessling/status/1879195757766750591?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 14, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Neat. He was still a sieve way too often from the handful of plays I bothered to watch.

So, given the fact that we have been band aid at oline for a number of years here. How is our Oline coaching? Why did they think Kingsley was ready? Why did they think Humphreys had the rust off him? Why didn't they not scheme more ways to mitigate our weakness in Super Bowl? Eagles were daring us to run and we never bothered. Yeah, the players did their part, but they are downstream of some shitty decisions by the coaches IMHO.

Jackson would be no different in this offense

There's quite literally no evidence at all that this is the case but okay.

The Jaguars under Pederson run a pretty similar offense to what we do. They ate 7 million in salary just to get him gone and only got a conditional 5th in return. Cam Robinson may end up being the best realistic option available but we don't need to blow smoke up his ass to justify it. It'll be a significant overpay for at best mediocre to below average LT play. If that's all Mahomes needs to un**** himself it'll be worth it, but I've got serious concerns Robinson is even capable of providing that baseline.

I guess you could say that either way. And we are both entitled to our opinions.

Conerly is the opposite of Kingsley. Kingsley has all the tangibles to be a great prospect. Conerly doesn't have the measurable but he has a ton of plus tape in a tough conference.

Conerly has a floor that Kingsley doesn't have. kingsley has a ceiling Conerly doesn't have.

Uhh, no. We actually have years of Cam Robinson operating in a similar offense. Nothing to be all that excited about, although as a whole the body of work is a damn sight better that what we've gotten from 2022 and on.

Heck and Reid really just shit their collective pants

Kingsley must've looked passable enough in camp to earn the starting job, so why the hell not help him out when he struggled, as they surely knew he would at times?

Then they bring Humphries in straight from the trainers table, and throw him straight into the deep end before he'd even unpacked his ****ing suitcase... like I've said before, if you didn't know any better you'd almost think they WANTED him get reinjured

This is why I don’t want Conerly in the 1st rd. I think a vet like Humphries or Robinson could provide a high enough floor immediately. Taking a LT with a high floor over what would be available would feel like reaching for need

I don't disagree.

Will I guess we will see. I bet paid professionals pay Robinson big money. Even with your assessment of garbage.

I agree Robinson is average. But so is Jackson and some of you are acting like he is an answer. Jackson will be exposed big time when having to kick step constantly in our offense.

They should think he’s a guard moving forward.

What about the fact he’s penalty-prone?

Cam Robinson had a 72.2 pass blocking grade per PFF. Only 1 accepted penalty to that point. He was much better in our offense.

According to this he had a higher pass blocking grade in Minnesota.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Cam Robinson has a 77.6 PFF pass blocking grade since being acquired by the Vikings. He&#39;s been charged with one sack allowed in six games.<br><br>Kevin O’Connell on Robinson&#39;s impact: <br><br>&quot;I don’t know many teams that can lose one of the best left tackles in football and win six…</p>&mdash; Will Ragatz (@WillRagatz) <a href="https://twitter.com/WillRagatz/status/1867266702020313298?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 12, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

For the life of me I don’t get why people wouldn’t want this kid. High floor, knows the offense, is not a chronic broke dick like some of these other options.

He would be the best pass blocking LT we’ve had since Eric Fisher.

To be clear, what offense are you referring to? The Alex Smith looking one of this past season, or the more aggressive ones of seasons past?

Count me in the camp of if we could sign a Robinson + Hollywood before the draft, that would free us up to go BPA completely worry free and probably add another 3-4 starters in the draft.

I’d sign off on it without second thought.

And for that reason I think he makes a lot of sense. I don't think you can ignore the LT position in this draft. Yes, there is a glaring hole right now, but we need a RT next offseason. Who knows, maybe they both pan out, maybe Kingsley is a guard, maybe Morris is a RT, G, or maybe nothing.

I know there is a group of people who say it won't change the reality of the situation if you draft a 1st round LT, I also don't think the reality changes all that much with a FA LT. The Chiefs are going to still need to be looking for guys in the draft.

There one where you’re left on an island a lot as a tackle. That want the case in LA.

If he was anywhere near the caliber of player you seem to think he is the Jaguars wouldn't have traded him for literal peanuts while eating most of his salary to do so.

It's not even the fact that they traded him with their only in house options being a JAG in Walker Little or a complete scrub in Anton Harrison. It's the fact that the 31 other teams had so little use for him that a conditional 5th and eating most of his salary is the best the Jaguars could do.

All I've read recently is OT play is next to impossible to find so teams should've been knocking down the Jaguars door with offers to trade for him. But they weren't. Because he isn't that good.

Yeah whoever it is (Robinson, Jackson, Humphries, etc). Have to have a solid vet option before the draft.

Chiefs can’t just hope the draft falls right for that position at that draft slot.

I think he'd be fine in the short passing Alex Smith offense. The problem with that whole deal is it limits Mahomes.

You're doing a great job of souring me on that dude

Why? This has always been the score. Dude is a mediocre to below average LT. That's why he's even available. It may well be enough to get Mahomes back to elite status but we can call a spade a spade here.

If Alaric Jackson was everything you think he is the Rams would be tagging him or resigning him, or signed an extension during the season

But they don’t think much of him if they are willing to let him walk with no viable back up option on the roster. They would rather plug and play someone else.

I agree

Well, no, because they have an incredibly tight cap situation and 2 OTs already under contract that don't suck.

People wanted to bring Donovan Smith back who nobody wanted this year. They want Alaric Jackson or Ronnie Stanley too.

If the Rams let a 26 year old LT walk willingly it says just as much as the Jaguars trading Robinson.

McVay isn’t stupid

Who? Noteboom? He’s not really much better than Walker Little. But I’m sure you will come on and make him into a hall of famer to prove your point.

But the Rams not resigning or extending or tagging Jackson odd the same as the jags getting rid of Robinson.

Who the **** wanted Donovan Smith back? Like, who actually said that was the ideal LT for 2024. Now, a lot of folks thought it'd be wise to have him in the organization to be a failsafe in case Suamataia and Morris both flamed out. Which, uh, they did.

Yes thank you. But some people just have to be right

LMAO No it's not. The Rams have two servicable OTs under contract, 38 million in cap, and some significant holes to fill especially as Kupp ages out. They may still tag Jackson but it would leave them with almost nothing to operate with.

The Jaguars have one OT if you even want to count Walker Little and still jettisoned Robinson for quite literally almost nothing mid season.

Now you’re going to act like a bunch of people were asking to sign him before the playoffs.

Thats why I'm not big on overpaying for any of these guys, and it just doesn't seem likely we draft that spot high again this year

We'll eventually see what Veach does, but for better or worse my money says we throw numbers at it... Kingsley, DJ, and a reasonably priced FA will battle it out in camp

Yes it is

**** DJ Humphries. You want to bridge while Suamataia develops, fine, but don't bring that broke dick in to do it.

Joe Noteboom had a 49.4 pass blocking grade this year per PFF

LMAO

Already said it, I could not care any less about PFFs grades. They're worthless numbers regurgitated onto a screen by interns. Actual tangible stats like pressures, hits, and sacks are a different story.

He was absolutely set up to fail this first go around

It makes perfect sense to see what he looks like fully healthy, and with a full offseason program under his belt

"It makes perfect sense to see what he looks like fully healthy"

Well, you're going to be waiting a long ****ing time for that then, because it hasn't been a thing since 2021.

“While Kingsley develops”… :facepalm:

He’s a guard moving forward… at best.

They gave Joe Thuney a 60 for the Super Bowl. That's average by their metrics.

LMAO They gave Jawaan Taylor a 57. Holy shit, how does anybody take that shit seriously?

They have Walker Little and Anton Harrison 2 guys they used top 40 picks on after the capital they used on Robinson and Taylor.

Yeah he’s not good

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Willie Roaf… not a free agent, was at the start of a 6 year contract… traded to the Chiefs.

OBJ… not a free agent… traded to the Chiefs.

Think beyond just the current LT UFA’s and draft class since both are mostly trash.

It's too ****ing early to say that, man.

We don't know. He might really be that bad. He might just need more time. So many guys came into the NFL looking like him and eventually became starters. And yes, a whole bunch of them failed or never became tackles.

Are you going to write off ALL tackles who struggle in their first seasons as guards at best?

Looked at the very least servicable against the Ravens.

Of course it doesn’t help your agenda

Yeah I just don't get how anyone could make that proclamation already

As I've said before, basically only future HOFers show up as rookies and immediately start kicking everyones ass... the rest need 1-3 years to really develop

I really don’t think humphries is an option if we plan to bring in a veteran FA for competition. We’re either rolling with status quo next year and hoping he or Kingsley will improve. Or we let humphries walk and bring someone in. He is either on a prove it deal where he can be assured playing time. Or he will want to be paid on a long term deal more than backup money.

Andrew Thomas.. a top 5 LT at minimum
Darnell Wright sucked as a rookie. Broderick Jones. The list goes on..

This staff felt VERY good about Kingsley going into the year. They don’t just pencil rookies in for starting roles. And he had that. He also just turned 22.

That’s why throwing a ton of assets on another unknown doesn’t make sense. Will he develop into a franchise LT? No idea. But it’s not out of the realm of possibility

Humphries was forced in out of desperation. And Kingsley looked decent in game one against Baltimore. With no help I may add. There’s reason to believe he looked like he could play into form during camp. It wasn’t smart to come in with no back up plan. I still wonder what it would look like if we work through his growing pains. If we go to the quick game sooner instead of after two left tackles failed it may be a lot different.

If you want to count walker little? They jettisoned Robinson to play him. wtf does that mean. Of course you count him.

Yeah, they jettisoned Robinson to play Little. Who sucks in his own right.

They ate money to let little develop because the floors the same and the ceilings yet to be seen. That says it all.

Willie Roaf was coming off of several injuries and was a good bet to never again be what he was in his prime. Dude could barely walk-but he sure could run! We got lucky.

OBJ had taken over for an injured Ronnie Stanley and played well-well enough that he refused to go back to the right side, as it was always his father's dream that he too would play LEFT tackle and make LEFT tackle money. And so he was traded.

and then he thought he deserved more money than we were offering-and since he didn't get what he wanted, he signed with our top rival for less out of spite. So **** that guy.


Neither of these are great examples for your argument.

Yes, because this is Chiefsplanet, the online home of The Dunning-Kruger Effect.

For that matter, does Kingsley LOOK like a guard to you? He doesn't look like the body type to me. He's long and long legged. That doesn't scream 'guard' to me, it says 'tackle'.

I'm not writing him off, but you need at least a stop-gap there. If you sign someone with the intent of being here for multiple years that's fine, too-you can play Kingsley at RT in '26. If he ain't ready by then, he ain't going to cut it period.

Lookit-as Spags would say-

We don't watch practice. We don't know what the coaching staff thinks. Obviously things didn't go according to plan at LT this season. Much like WR, Plan A and plan B and plan C all failed.

Now, if they and the doctors think Humphries can go with a full offseason in the program I won't gripe. He would be probably the cheapest option, unless a full season of rest and healing up has Bahktiari ready to go.

Stanley's hurt too much for my taste at that price.
Jackson's resume is thin, but that's the highest upside at that price.
Robinson is probably the higher floor.

We will need another excellent draft like '22 to fill holes, so we really can't get into LT range in the draft. Doesn't make sense to take on another project. So that's probably out.

And that's just how I see it right now.