That fix probably covers it much simpler.

Yes


Sure


Absolutely not


Of course


Yes


And the answers to all of them are very obvious

Yes.

You know what the answer is going to be to all of these. That's why I agree the Chiefs messaging was not great, but even here today people want them to "come back with a better plan" like they have any leverage. I agree the renovations did not do a lot for the average fan but that's not what they're comparing it to. I'd bet that Clark and Mark Donovan were comparing those renovations to what they they'd get with a new stadium in KS. New suites, luxury areas, etc, etc. The Arrowhead renovations were their shot at trying to make a lot of fans happy by staying, while creating revenue like a lot of other teams are doing now with suites and such.

~60,000 something total capacity, PSLs and a dome.


Hooray.

The irony of KC Tenants is that they've killed projects that would have created thousands of new homes which would bring price down

What specific projects are you referring to?

I think the most influential thing they prevailed on was the redistricting maps for KCMO.

I think one effect they have is to change the idea of it is easier to get something passed in a low turnout election if you have union support and famous names and get endorsements from political clubs.

It may turn out that a higher turnout election would be the better strategy to win a ballot question if KC Tenants says vote no. I think they get their vote out.

72,500 is what Super Bowl needs

And the grift with them continue....
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GKSaGnIX...jpg&name=large

Getting upset over a $40 t-shirt instead of $2 billion for stadiums is a weird choice.

$40 for a t-shirt isn't very inclusive

State Farm Field is 64k roughly.

And the SB ain't coming to Kansas City.

They've done more harm to KC housing prices than any mustache-twirling two dimensional villain ever could.

Can't fix stupid people being told they are victims making poor decisions...

and that sucks... I love arrowhead for that reason. I am in the 2nd row of the upper deck and love my seats and wouldn't move down if the price was the same.

isn't the K connected to the C like trademarked by the Royals?

Jobs as well.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Nate Taylor, who is as close to the Chiefs as any writer in sports, does not believe the Chiefs will be quick to come back to the table with Jackson County. <br><br>&quot;I think we all need to get used to the fact that the Chiefs could be playing in Kansas in a decade or less.&quot;</p>&mdash; Josh Chavis (@JoshChavis65) <a href="https://twitter.com/JoshChavis65/status/1775937189127352350?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 4, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Uh huh...I'll believe it when I see it.

Here's a sampling of projects they've opposed that have had major delays or cancellations because of their opposition:

Lux Riverfront
Freighthouse Village
Katz Redevelopment (Main & Westport)
Wonderland (19th & Broadway)
City Harvest (5th & Main)
Mac Developemtn (Armour & Main)
ATT HQ Residential Conversion (8th & Locust)
KCATA High-Rise (10th & Main)
KC Royals Ballpark (East Village)
Ascend at River Market (Fmr. Defeo Tower (Oak & Third))
KC Current Village
The Midland Lofts (1221 Baltimore)
Parker Square Apartments
Old KCPS Headquarters
4711 Belleview
74 Broadway - Waldo Proposal (47th & Broadway)
Bravo Hotel



They also have over a million dollar in liquid assests. Haven't built a single house.

https://projects.propublica.org/nonp...ions/845137189

Nate Taylor is the new Nick Athan. He's always wrong

You can doubt Nate, but I have yet to hear an argument for why they should WANT to come back to the table. It was contentious with county leadership in the first place, and then they lost the vote by 16 points. That's a HUGE chasm to cross.

Is there any argument other than "they love Arrowhead" that gives them an actual good reason why Jackson County should be their main priority moving forward? What else is that spot bringing to the table?

Yep, I hate it, but they were indifferent to this passing or failing. Knowing the path they would then take either way. With it failing they gained public denouncement for leaving Arrowhead and can blame it on the voters. Like it or not, they won't be wrong.

Bigger players will be involved other than Jackson County with regards to keeping the Chiefs in KC

Yep, the team is now a free agent. I hope they will at least stay in the KC metro area, but it all comes down to the most lucrative offer.

Sure, Johnson and Wyandotte counties.

Other than Arrowhead being Arrowhead, there really isn't any reason to stay where they are when they can use the dynasty they have to get everything they want.

Just heard an interview on 610 with some politician (not he mayor, not Frank White). There's talk of getting something on the ballot in August. Also talk of splitting up questions so the Chiefs can get their answer independent of the Royals.

No they aren't they still have a 7 year lease it would cost atleast half a billion to move

The state or Missouri

You think they'll stay at Arrowhead?

I kinda think they will. Jackson County didn't get a chance to vote on just Arrowhead. The Royals downtown stadium proposal was the controversial aspect here. I don't get why these two teams from completely different sports and leagues should be voted on as if they are joined at the hip.

They’re going to KCK whether you like it or not.

If they come back to the table without the Royals?

Arrowhead is outdated anyway. Get a new stadium with a roof, host a Superbowl and y'all will be happy.

Hell no to the roof. Seeing my team playing in Super Bowls is all I care about. I'm not going either way so host them wherever.

Man, if the state of Missouri loses THREE pro franchises in the span of a decade.....

Yeesh

This dude has been incredibly naive on this subject the entire time.

A No vote was always going to mean the end of the Chiefs in Missouri unfortunately.

I wonder if people here who claim they want a dome have ever been to a game in a dome.

I’ve been to the Dome in St Louis and JerryWorld. They suck. They’re big and fancy but watching football indoors is horrible. The lighting and sound is strange and everything feels “off”

Football just looks better played outdoors.

I couldn’t care less about the temperature aspect. It’s an advantage for us on the field and if you can’t stand to go to a game that’s below freezing then stay home and watch it on television.

I don't exactly feel that's fair to the people of Jackson County. It felt like the Royals are the one that earned the 16-point loss with their terrible, wishy-washy plan, not the Chiefs. And this whole time it's kind of felt like the Chiefs are piggybacking on this vote just because they share Truman Sports Complex with the Royals. Taking that into account, to hear the Chiefs are allegedly taking a serious look at other options....it just feels a little chickenshit on their part to me. If it were the Chiefs alone approaching Jackson County voters, I feel safe saying the vote would have passed in their favor comfortably.

But I'm in total agreement over the area out there. Super convenient for tailgating and getting in and out, but there is ****all around the area. Hell, I've heard people whispering that eminent domain could be potentially on the table for the Crossroads area for the new stadium, why not use it around Truman if that's the plan and build it up the way you want? Very little of this makes sense, really.

The coming back to the table issue for the Chiefs without the Royals doesn’t resolve the location limitations*

*if more than just Arrowhead is what the Chiefs are after

Let's just go all in and have a retractable roof. Then the purists can have outdoor football, and we can also get a Super Bowl. I really think Clark wants this badly. IMHO

I mean I don't know the whole reason but it makes sense it went this way because there was an existing tax that fed money to both teams. Seems to me they thought teaming up and trying to sell it as extending the current tax and people would go for that over creating new taxes that are more expensive.

The dome would be more about lining Clark Hunt's pockets than anything else. Super Bowl, Final Four, concerts in winter (not just summer), and so forth.

Sadly Missouri has a bad reputation. Morons run this state and they are running everyone off in all aspects.

I'm not really interested in a retractable roof either. Play in the elements. If they must have one, though, it needs to be gigantic so that when it's open it isn't basically just playing in a dome with a football field-sized hole in the ceiling.

Possibly? But look at the thread here talking about all the plans for Arrowhead. People hated it. Maybe not as much as they hated the Royals' plans, but still. Could it have passed with just that? Tough to say, but I'm skeptical.

The issue, as I see it, is that the Chiefs are almost certainly NOT going to just put it back on the ballot as-is but without the Royals. At the same time, the designs they came up with make it pretty clear that either 1) they don't want to be at Arrowhead and half-assed it as a result or 2) they are having trouble coming up with more they can do with it that would make a substantive difference. Neither of those scenarios suggests to me that Arrowhead is their main priority for a next step.

I do not understand at all "hating" the Arrowhead plan. As a fan, Arrowhead is already awesome. I don't care about luxury suites or whatever other gimmicky crap they add on. The fan experience at Arrowhead is already amazing. Just keep it in tact and stay there. I'm not sure what people wanted to see from their renderings. We just upgraded everything massively like 15 years ago. Restrooms are quick in and out. Concession lines not too bad with lots of options. The seats are the same as they've always been. It's ****ing Arrowhead. It needs no improvement.

I would have thought the state would end up having more involvement in situations like this. I feel like I could argue that if the Chiefs move across to KCK that KCMO would still see some of the economic and reputational benefits. But surely the state of Missouri should be hell bent on keeping the team in KCMO.

To me it seems like counties are a lot more autonomous in the US than they are in Australia.

Seems to me that the issue was that what they were proposing wasn't worth anything close to 800m. If Clark said the Chiefs were staying at Arrowhead for another 20 years without any major upgrades I don't think people would be upset?

I don't disagree with your take, but DaFace could be on to something.

Clark gets to go twice a year to those multi-billion-dollar, state of the art stadiums in Vegas and LA and compare it to his own stadium that last had an upgrade 15 years ago. Now that his team has won three of the last five Super Bowls, he's probably rightfully thinking that his team should play in a multibillion-dollar stadium, especially when he has THE player in the NFL on his roster. Does that make them chickenshit for going to the county voters with an awful Royals proposal that they most likely deduced would lose just to leverage Kansas to get what they want (again, allegedly)?

I guess we'll know for sure in the coming months.

I agree outdoor teams get an advantage.

But there are plenty of somewhat wealthy typically older fans that can't afford a box but would pay for tickets if it's indoors but otherwise they will watch at home.

Sure you can still sell out games, but you could sell out games for more money if you could reach more fans that would compete for tickets.

But I'm probably not going to make it either way. So I'll happily watch the real fans in the September heat and December cold on TV.

I just haven't heard any upgrades that people actually want. I really don't know what it costs to maintain a facility like Arrowhead, which is like 50 years old, for another 25 years. $800M being available for shit to be rebuilt, have minor upgrades, maybe fix the locker rooms, etc. Doesn't sound that bad to me. Can only imagine what inflation will be over the next 20 years.

If you have a retractable roof, you don't play in the elements when the elements are bad.

Yeah... if they do end up building a new stadium it's almost guaranteed to be a dome.

A new stadium also means that many longtime STH can kiss their tickets goodbye as they won’t be able to afford the PSL and massive price hike that Clark will implement.

Just look at what’s going on in Buffalo. Tons of people who have been STH since the early days of the franchise are being priced out of their seats and have to give up their tickets.

There is nothing about a new stadium that will be good for the common fan like us. We’ll all be priced out for the most part and the Arrowhead atmosphere will be a distant memory. It sure will be nice for the rich folks who want to be seen and Clark’s wallet though.

This all sucks.

FYP

This is what I don't get as Clark gets no credit for the reasonable price of Chiefs season tickets. Most all other venues of PSL's and more expensive prices. Yet people complain on here about him being cheap. You can't have it both ways.

$500M of taxpayer money for relatively minor upgrades. There’s a large chunk of the population who don’t care about sports. Even the people who care about sports don’t want taxpayer money to help fund these stadium projects.

I agree with this but, that’s coming from a fan who goes to games for what actually transpires on the field. There are more and more fans who are all caught up in all of the side shit. Look at the all of the downtown Royals stadium advocates - they aren’t talking about the game, they are talking about bars, restaurants and shopping. The casual fan is taking over the scene, and franchise owners are more than happy to accommodate as it ultimately means more luxury suites and over all higher ticket prices.

And higher ticket prices means even fewer die hard fans and more of the casual, there so can say they were there fans. I’ve seen that change taking place at Arrowhead over the past however many years. You have people show up who are spending way too much time on their phones and yelling when we are on offense.

I’ll continue to argue for the old ways but, I know it’s a losing battle; change is coming, to both KC franchises.

I assume this 800m would be in addition to any ongoing maintenance costs. But fair point that down the line maybe 800m isn't as much as it sounds.

If I was a Jackson County resident I think I would've leant towards voting Yes just with the hope that the team won't leave the county. In my opinion the Chiefs had the leverage from the beginning (not just since the No result) given they're in the middle of a dynasty.

Being a fan from abroad though I'm not too concerned as long as they stay in the region and retain the name and branding. Would be sad to see the team leave Arrowhead but it'll happen eventually.

Yet were defending crossroads which benefits from a .5 cent sales tax...

Not fair!

Some quick googling USA today says the Chiefs have the second highest average ticket price at 578 dollars.
. business insider has them 7th in season ticket prices.

Take that for what you will if it's reasonable or not.

Yes, but they have no Personal Seat License. The PSL's in the league range between 15k and 50k a seat. Figure than into your pricing.

I do. I think they split from the Royals, shop around come back with a price tag and get back on the ballot.

Hopefully they have a better campaign than "Give us a ton of money or we're leaving" like the last one.

Don't kid yourself, the Chiefs gained a ton of leverage with the NO vote.

"Don't believe the noise. We are committed to retention of our teams with vastly lower expenses--think needed infrastructure build out--than even an intra-metro move. Both teams will be in KCMO in 2040 and long after" - Mayor Q

Not sure what needed infrastructure build out means. Is he talking about a streetcar going to the TSC? That idea has been floated for the world cup. Id say the clock is ticking on that

Well, we don't know that for sure but there is a good reason why I mentioned all of those things. I suspect they may want to do some or all of these things.

If that's the case then they will just price out fans like myself, unfortunately.

Chiefs go on the ballot without the royals and have a roof over the stadium and it passes 75:25

Where did you get the information of the list of projects and did the source for the list of projects say more about what happened with each proposal?

Not sure why you want to complain how they spend the money they raise as as a 501c3.

Their donors should know they are an advocacy group. They can advocate for this and that. You want to piss and moan that they have not spent a million dollars to increase housing inventory? That's pretty weak. You might have some real arguments to state, but nonsense criticism about KC Tenants not building shit on their own might discredit a valid argument you make on a different point because it comes from somebody that talks nonsense.

On a new Royals stadium, I think KC Tenants needs to acknowledge that some of the total costs will be paid wages and margins for local companies that are included because there would be MBE/WBE.

Jeezus Christmas, this is ridiculous.

No it wasn't, no it isn't, no they won't.

This vote was about Sherman and his completely shitty plan.

The Chiefs tried to give him cover to get the Royals out of their way, and even the Chiefs couldn't save him.

The Chiefs could put their renovations on the ballot alone and it would pass in a landslide.

The Royals plan was better than the Chiefs plan though. Those stadium renovations were bullshit and did nothing to help the vote pass. If anything they hurt it.

because they are clueless and peddle bad information to many people who would benefit for these projects.

After alla the whining, blaming and otherwise c*** behavior on the air, I've decided that Fescoe tears are more delicious than Billdo tears, although not at this point as refreshing as bungle tears.

Subject ta update.

You think the renovations they put out would pass on their own?

I'm not a Jackson county person and can't vote, but they were really underwhelming to me.

I had compiled it for months from news articles, KC Tennants public statements, and various hearings at City Hall. If you're asking for public sources I can link several of you'd like

Sure I will you don't see the irony in a group that talks about housing for the poor that has over 1 million in liquid assets and has spent $0 on housing? They've also killed projects that would provide hundreds if not thousands of "affordable" units. The housing crisis is driven by the supply not meeting demand. How do you expect prices to go down without more housing? If anything you could easily argue they've made it harder for developers and renters to operate in this city. We know that because we can point to the number of projects currently going on which is maybe a handful. What would stop a developer or landlord from saying **** this and setting up shop?

Details of the Negotiations Between the Royals and Clay County. Up to mid January 2024 when the Royals put it on hold. Some fascinating stuff in here including details of the tax expected up north and where those funds are going

https://showmeinstitute.org/blog/sub...d-clay-county/

Why don't they just consider

1. Moving to a cheaper place to live. You don't deserve to live in Two Light for $1200.
2. Learn how to make money
3. That life isnt fair.