I believe it. Like I said, that level of ineptitude has to run bone deep.

Also, on a side note, why are coaching contracts fully guaranteed? Seems like a massive bungle by the owners.

Wow they’ve played like 8 games too LMAO

If he got part ownership of the team like was being reported he wanted. Would he sell now

He didn't and it was never even an option for him to.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Caleb Williams has the worst Comp% on throws of 15+ yards by any QB in any season over the past 15 years ❌<br><br>He ranks 468th out of 468 <a href="https://t.co/PRILRRkzv2">https://t.co/PRILRRkzv2</a> <a href="https://t.co/bcSYiBRndK">pic.twitter.com/bcSYiBRndK</a></p>&mdash; The 33rd Team (@The33rdTeamFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/The33rdTeamFB/status/1856445653901082969?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 12, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yeah, I agree. Dude got drafted into an absolute abomination of an organization that's on the same level as the Raiders and Browns when it comes to ruining young promising QB prospects.

That organization is shit tier and they need to clean house and go an try to get Ben Johnson or even Bobby Slowik to be the HC. Johnson is going to be hard to get to come to that shit hole, but if you let him have some say in the GM, then there is enough there on offense to be really enticing.

Only QB sacked more in their first 10 games...David Carr

Look at who you're replying to lol. I don't think he's ever serious about anything. That was his most comprehensible comment I've ever seen.

Hmmm, so Fields had trouble with getting sacked too. I don't watch many Bears games because they suck shit, but is their OL a tire fire?

No kidding. Rainbarrel finally delivers a decent joke and penquinz steps in to ruin it.

I think it was a below average unit to start with. But for the PAts game they had like both tackles hurt heading into the game and a left guard go down during the game, Plus, a backup shows up hurt complaining of back problems...So on that game the OL was a tire fire, but a number of sacks was Caleb just holding the ball.

I saw a stat yesterday showing the punter has more yards punting than Williams does passing.

LMAO probably not that crazy uncommon but hilarious none the less.

Their oline is trash but dude holds onto the ball forever

They're on their 3rd top 11 pick QB, 2nd GM, and 3rd HC in 7 years and it still looks the same. Their owner would rather get a new stadium and beat Green Bay in the regular season than actually win a Super Bowl

That said, Williams gives off serious Russel Wilson vibes without the on-field success...yet anyway

You have to be a veteran with cache.

This ain't the long-snapper and backup OG complaining if that report is legit. It takes a well placed, well respected veteran to play that card with those circumstances.

Especially after the players voted him a team captain to start the season in like the first time in team history a rookie has ever received it

And Saban looked Eberflus in his eyes, on ****ing TV, and said his biggest challenge was going to be managing the expectations around the kid

Eberflus seems like he was just along for the ride instead of actually heading up a team

As predicted, nail polish boy is a bust.

Holy. ****ing. Shit.

"I don't see anything he (Mahomes) can do that I can't."

I know it's the job Ben Johnson wants. But man... I don't even think it's about the bears because they are a coach away from having a really talented team. I don't know if you hitch your wagon to Caleb Williams. He just gives off this cutler vibes where despite his talent his teammates just seem to detest the guy. And it's a weird attitude where he has arrogance and entitlement that seems rooted in being extremely insecure.

If it was 2018 he’d be lighting fools up but Mahomes already ruined that life for QBs coming into the league

Welcome to the Mahomes adjusted defensive league. He can’t even be his 2019 self let alone this putz

Ben Johnson made people forget that everyone thought Goff was liquid shit.

Ben Johnson's an incredible coach. He would get a lot out of the bears offense. There just seem to be red flags left and right about calebs personality to hitch your wagon to that. Goff has had limitations and still does. But he's easy to coach and like

The Bear ruin everything, even Kristin Cavallari!!!!

Those people defending him on the first few pages of this thread don't seem to be coming around much anymore. Probably busy painting their nails.

I can't believe this guy was ever considered the heir apparent...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">������DUMBEST PLAY OF THE YEAR������<br><br>CALEB WILLIAMS TAKES A SACK…. CLOCKS AT 25 SECONDS… EBERFLUS DOES NOT CALL A TIMEOUT… WILLIAMS DECIDES TO WAIT TO SNAP IT AND THEN JUST THROWS THE BALL AWAY.<br><br>ONE OF THE WORST FINISHES IN NFL HISTORY.<br><br>������<br><br> <a href="https://t.co/cit5MAtdQG">pic.twitter.com/cit5MAtdQG</a></p>&mdash; MLFootball (@_MLFootball) <a href="https://twitter.com/_MLFootball/status/1862240652550955300?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 28, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Massive arrogance
Massive stupidity
MASSIVE BUST

That ending was up there with Dak running up the middle of the field and burning too much time.

Bears fans watching their latest amazing collapse:

https://www.itjustgetsstranger.com/c...r_LR-oQVhe.gif

Any QB that paints their nails needs to lose.

After last season I questioned why they kept Eberflus. After they drafted Williams I was perplexed as to a single ****ing reason they kept Eberflus.

This is just that coming home to roost.

They rehired Ryan Pace in HC form.

From what I’ve heard it’s because the cheapskate owners didn’t want to buy out his contract. I don’t know why these billionaire thieves who care more about their money than winning games should be allowed anywhere near a football team.

This is why I can’t put all the blame on the HC. Williams deserves some of the blame for how he handled the last :30 of that game.

Of course. He gets the rookie excuse but do any of us believe a rookie Pat lets that shit happen?? That’s high school bullshit there

You could give Caleb the early 2000’s Chiefs offensive line with Willie Roaf/Will Shields and it wouldn’t matter much considering how ridiculously long he holds onto the ball… a sack waiting to happen.

Seems like Caleb looks for his first read then tucks and runs.

He looks like Rick Mirer

There is just no logical explanation for a qb in that situation to mosey to the line and take 10 seconds to snap the damn ball. And a rookie isn’t stupid enough to know he has a timeout and can either clock it or get a quick play. Flus could have bailed him out but this was not a rookie mistake. These are two mistakes a high schooler should not make.

Still not going to call him a bust yet but like the bustometer needle is not moving towards the "not a bust" side

He went four games without throwing a touchdown before the last two games. Teams will study the film and hit him with more puzzles. We're seeing right now how Stroud has struggled because DC's went over the film and saw his tendencies. And that's why the great ones are great because they learn how to adapt quickly in-game.

Remember all of the anointing of this guy? I told you this guy is not a "student of the game"! And the sad part is this is so fundamental in clock management, and he didn't even recognize the situation. Just clock it and get a field goal attempt!

It's almost as if Eberflus knows he's getting fired prior to all this and he just let Caleb piss on his own shoes! Any coach would've intervened and called time out!

The sad part is they were marching down to get the win and they ****ed themselves with offensive PI and hands to the face penalties. The latter of which knocked them out of easy field goal range. They're horrid all the way around. I've seen people online blaming DJ Moore for pouting and bad body language and what not. It's hard to blame him really.

The problem is these aren’t “tendencies.” These are instincts. I don’t agree that he isn’t a student of the game. I do wonder if he thinks he’s too smart. And sometimes those guys dont let their instincts take over. He’s got great WRs yet holds the ball for an eternity. He throws a 100 mph fastball on every pass, then a moonball with way too much air. Does he have a feel for the game? Because I just can’t remember seeing a worse sense of game management to end the game as we saw yesterday.

He looked really good in the second half, which is encouraging.

Taking a sack to knock you out of field goal range AND failing to get to the line quickly was a huge **** up, but I blame Eberflus more. He should have called a timeout when the clock hit, like, :25 and they were still trying to get the play lined up.

They are both culpable but the buck always stops with the hc. Eberfus is a yr+ past his expiration date regardless.

I can’t fathom either’s thought process in that situation it was Les Miles bad.

It was astounding to watch live.

He is not learning from Eberflus and the Bears.

They need to clean house at coaching and get an OFFENSIVE talented coach.

If not, they will destroy him and waste his natural talent.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Apparently the rookie QB didn&#39;t miss the urgency. He waited 20 seconds for the play, finally got it, recognized they didn&#39;t have enough time anymore and changed the play to try and win it. <br><br>This. Coaching. Staff. <a href="https://t.co/LR1sNeIO8W">https://t.co/LR1sNeIO8W</a></p>&mdash; Bill Zimmerman (@BillTZimmerman) <a href="https://twitter.com/BillTZimmerman/status/1862260492758032799?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 28, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Exactly the case.

Caleb’s thought process is pretty defensible:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Caleb Williams says there was no &quot;big communication&quot; between him and the coaches. He got a play in at 13 seconds but he saw the time on the clock and changed the play because he realized they didn&#39;t have enough time for the play called <a href="https://t.co/WD4VUByeIR">pic.twitter.com/WD4VUByeIR</a></p>&mdash; 79th &amp; Halas Podcast (@79thAndHalas) <a href="https://twitter.com/79thAndHalas/status/1862257942604468475?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 28, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Caleb Williams when asked whether calling a timeout late in the 4th Q is above his pay grade: “In that situation, I’m living with the call and letting coaches make that decision…maybe in the later years of my career (he may call a timeout himself), right now I get the call and…</p>&mdash; Courtney Cronin (@CourtneyRCronin) <a href="https://twitter.com/CourtneyRCronin/status/1862258750461014435?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 28, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Eberflus’ is not:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In last 30 NFL seasons, 1,501 times has a team lost by 1-3 pts in regulation (reg+post).<br><br>Of those, only the Bears today ran a play from inside the opponent&#39;s 30 on the final drive but ultimately had time expire without bringing out the FG unit &amp; without using all their timeouts.</p>&mdash; OptaSTATS (@OptaSTATS) <a href="https://twitter.com/OptaSTATS/status/1862322770949882337?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 29, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He says he thought they handled it “the right way”.

It's criminal they thought they could have Eberflus as their HC with a #1pick QB.

It’s astonishing that this guy is actually doing as well as he is considering the lack of talent at OL and coaching.

They are poorly coached across the board: yesterday was the offense, ST’s lost them a last second FG bc of a Packers block and the defense gave up an inexcusable Hail Mary.

They need to clean house and go after a good coach

I don’t buy it. It all reads as excuses to me.

Caleb could have called a timeout and not getting the play in time is a perfectly good excuse for it. If they couldn’t get the play in on time then quick snap and run forward for a few yards to set up a long but makeable FG. After the offense is set don’t stand there for 5 seconds diagnosing the line when every second matters. It was a 58 yard field goal in a dome. I’d take that every day over a prayer deep ball

The coaches are of course incompetent. Not a single person thinks flus should still be there. But this to me reads like throwing his coaches under the bus. It was still idiotic by the qb even if it does justify his actions just a tad bit more.

Ryan Poles had a bad draft or two when he started. Then he had a pretty good offseason aided by this #1 pick.

But he needs to be held accountable for his horrible head coach selection and retention decision.

Did Poles and Eberflus know each other in college or some shit? It feels like they're best buddies and that's why Poles made a pretty irresponsible choice not to pivot to somebody else.

It's one reason why I don't want Nagy as Reid's successor. I don't want Veach to feel like he owes his head coach any loyalty. Hopefully Clark makes the responsible move for the whole team and does a thorough search outside the organization.

I disagree that it's all on Williams there. It's the head coach that makes these decisions and the head coach can call timeout himself if he wants it. Furthermore, they have radio contact into the QBs helmet, so if they want the timeout, they can tell the QB to call it. I know they stop the ability to transmit into the helmet at some point, but it has to start at some point after the end of the previous play.

The head coach is communicating with his coaches in the booth too, and that is two-way communication. My bet is that the head coach was saying not to use the last timeout because they would need it and that message was received by Williams.

I don't think Williams is anywhere close to being a "great" QB right now, but I can't place blame for this on anyone but the coach.

Coaching and situation is everything in this league and there are countless examples of that.

Why do you think Bo Nix looks better than he is? Sam Darnold was a disaster early on but now he looks really good with O’Connell. Baker was a bust 2 years ago but now he’s a very good QB. Same with Jared Goff.

The Bears need to do whatever possible to get Ben Johnson, Slowik Jr or any offensive innovator hired to help this kid.

Pat would not have done that as a rookie. This is not some rare situation that only happens in the NFL. If Caleb has never been in a hurry up situation from pee wee football through college then the rookie excuse works. But I’m pretty sure he has been in those situations before and blundered here.

I agree. One of the points I meant to make above is that coaches are in the positions they are in because they supposedly have the experience and detachment to handle decisions like those rather than your ROOKIE QB. If the head coach and the rest of the coaching staff are so caught up in the moment that they couldn't handle the end-of-game situation with time running out, then they should be replaced with a staff that is capable of doing that.

ETA - It is truly incredible to see Eberflus is saying that he thinks they handled that situation the right way. A coach that stupid really needs to be fired. When I was flying in the Air Force we had dumbass moments happen too. When called by air traffic control to find out what the hell we were doing, we'd reply "training in progress." Everyone knew you were screwing up and it was a way to admit doing so. Obviously Eberflus is unwilling even to admit that they made a mistake.

Eberflus defense cost Mizzou a national championship shot in 2007

Flus is a terrible coach and I don’t think anyone is disputing that and that he predictably handled it terribly. Everyone knows he should have been gone long ago so this is expected. Caleb on the other hand will be there next year. He had multiple ways he could have overcome flus’ stupidity by not doing stupid things himself. His presser reads to me like a guy who wants to act like he’s a great coachable player who doesn’t undermine his coaches while at the same time throwing them under the bus.

Yup and keep in mind we were really really terrible at getting plays relayed to mahomes early in his career. We’ve all seen it before where he calls timeout then shows his frustration.

But even outside that…Pat would’ve been sprinting to the line and hustling everyone to line up. He wouldn’t take five seconds to diagnose the defense for some weird reason. I also really doubt he’d audible to a td play when they were technically in field goal range. We saw Mahomes make tons of these really smart “instinct” decisions even early in his career

I’m shocked they gave Eberflus another QB to attempt to ruin.

I think poles gets a pass here. The owner is too cheap to buy out flus. Because there is zero explanation for why he wasn’t canned midseason. Poles made the bad decision to hire him but the ownership most likely didn’t give him a chance to get rid of him.

And he’s fired

Caleb didn’t want to undermine his coaches by calling a timeout. So he threw out the coach’s playcall and drew up his own TD play. Yeah that doesn’t add up to me.

It's third and 26 or something. So once you let very many seconds run off the game clock, if you spike it, all you can do is try a 58 FG on fourth. Yea, better than the disorganized hail Mary they tried. I agree.

If you call TO, and run a third down play, you have to get OOB. You should be able to pick up 5+ yards or throw the ball away and then attempt the FG. Better than what they did.

But it seems the players should have been coached to not need to call TO in that situation.

Get up to the line, use the whole field to pick up ten yards and then call final TO. Or possibly QB run for a few yards, if he doesn't see a pass he likes. Or throw it away and try 58 FG.

caleb has had some wild peaks and valleys, i look forward to seeing him with a real coach next season. He cleans up some of his dumb rookie shit and the bears have an actual offense, they could win double digit games. hell, if they had a half decent coach they could be pushing 10 wins THIS year, rookie QB warts and all,!but the coach has blown multiple games so

The best option once the playcall wasn’t in was probably to get to the line quickly and barrel forward for a few cheap yards followed by a quick timeout followed by a 55-58 yard FG in a dome. He took easily the worst option and was so sure of it that he took his sweet time to snap the ball.

Without a doubt. The question is if he’s coachable and if he can molded into a leader. And will an elite coach like Ben Johnson hang his hat on him, let alone want to work with their god awful ownership. The raw talent without a doubt is there.

Caleb is a rookie QB. Probably in most cases rookie QBs aren’t in the habit of independently calling TOs in critical moments. He had enough going on trying to get the play from the OC in his helmet with all that crowd noise, get his team the play, remember what the play actually entails, make sure his guys were lining up correctly, etc.

Also, these situations should’ve been game planned for weeks before they happen in a game, no? But obviously they weren’t prepared at any level for that situation. And when it was obvious they weren’t prepared, it was on the HC to intervene and call the TO before too much time ran off the clock. That’s literally his job, isn’t it?

But he has the green light to independently change the final play? Why would he have authority to change plays but not the authority to call a timeout? That’s what doesn’t hang together for me. He had multiple outs. Call TO on his own. If he isn’t “allowed” to do that then run the play that was called. If he is nervous about clock, throw it away and take the 58 yard FG or run forward for a closer FG.

Flus put him in that situation because he’s a terrible game manager. He got canned, as he should’ve been long long ago. But Caleb had multiple outs. And he not only independently made the td play call, he was so sure of it that he very slowly walked up to the line so that a throwaway wasn’t even an option if it wasn’t there.

I'm not buying the I don't call the timeouts bullshit.

Not that I want to defend that dumpster fire of an organization, but I'd like to know what the play call was. Was it a quick 5 yard dump and timeout to follow? We know what he apparently changed the play to.

Whatever it was, Mr. Unemployed should have stopped the bleeding when it became obvious the train had derailed.

Caleb panicked too, if anything else he should've taken command and called the timeout like leader should if the HC chews him out fine. Still saved seconds for at least 3 plays

I didn’t say he wasn’t allowed to do it. I said he’s a rookie and he probably didn’t feel like it was his decision. I think he panicked when he saw there was just :10 seconds or so left and made an impetuous decision. I’m not saying he’s completely guiltless, but who’s the adult and who’s the first year 20-something kid?

I’ll put it another way: if I put your 23-yr old self in my Metroliner II at 20,000 ft and we have a left engine fire, you think you’re going to do everything correctly to get that plane on the ground safely? Btw, you have less than 3 minutes before the wing collapses. You’d have a few weeks training in a simulator with maybe a dozen reps at it, obviously no reps in a real plane.

And you’d have to assess that the engine really was in fact on fire, go through your memory items, attempt to put the fire out, shut down and secure the engine, call ATC and declare an emergency, ask for clearance to the nearest airport you could land at that had a long enough runway, get your descent clearance from ATC, contact the airport when appropriate, navigate to and fly the crippled plane to the airport, go through your landing checklist when appropriate, and finally land safely, all while your plane is on fire and before the wing falls off. Just fyi, normal descent rates are between 1,500ft/min and 4,000. So you'd be descending at a rate far faster than anything you'd be accustomed to in a real plane to be on the ground in less than 3 minutes. That’s not the whole list of shit-to-do, but it’s close enough.

Or do you think the guy with dozens of years of experience in his job as a professional should probably take over the decision making/operational processes?

Betcha the Bears hire another ****ing dunce HC

Eberflus is no doubt the biggest culprit. But it just feels like it’s having it both ways. If he has no authority to call a sensible timeout without his coaches say so, then he also doesn’t have authority to change the final playcall. If he’s truly a puppet to his head coach then he would just run the play as was called, which I assume would have been a quick hitter instead of sending the entire team deep.

Since trace Armstrong shadow runs the team bears fans are terrified it will be Mike McCarthy or more realistically someone like Lincoln Riley. Joe Brady is also a Trace client so that isn’t the worst call, but if Ben Johnson isn’t hired for this reason bears fans need to show up with pitchforks

Yeah it's like 80/20 coach to QB but it absolutely is having it both ways.

Again, I never said he didn't have the authority to call a TO; obviously the guy with the green dot on his helmet has the 'authority' to call a TO. My point is, imo rookie QBs rarely call TOs. That's the HC's job. I mean, how many times have we seen rooks forget to check the clock as time is winding down and get flagged for delay-of-game? Happens pretty much every week, right? And good/great HCs see it and make the call themselves, correct?

Or, take Herbert's rookie year, he was driving his team down the field for a tying/go-ahead score (don't remember which exactly) and they got the ball down inside the 10-yd line, at which point Herbert tried to hurry up to the line and run the next play. A TO should've been called there, so they could get the right play in, settle everyone down, get the right players on the field, etc.

but Staley allowed things to happen, and they ended up turning the ball over on an INT or a fumble or whatever, that cost them the game. It was an obvious TO situation, but they failed to do what we all thought was beyond simple in the GDT that day.

Should/could Herbert have called a TO/spiked it there? Empirically, yes, obviously.

but you're asking a rookie QB in the heat and stress of the moment to make that decision, when they have a million other things running through the heads, while a OC is trying to get the playcall in, etc. It's the HC's job to see the situation, and using his decades of experience to mitigate the stress of the moment, and take that very critical decision out of a rook's hands, imo.

As for the change of play, I think that again was just a panic moment for a rookie QB when he realized they'd run out of time. He went gunslinger mode, or what we call "Jackie Channed it," in aviation parlance. All instinct, no rational thought.

Caleb Williams 14 TD, 5 int, 86.1 rating
Bo Nix 16 TD, 6 int, 89.9 rating
Jayden Williams 12 TD, 5 int, 97.6 rating

And Drake Maye gonna be better than all of em.