We have hardly had time to utilize his team friendly deal. It’s what only two years old now? Also everyone realizes because it’s so long it’s value to the team will only increase as others get paid. I’m not one of those that assume he is just going to demand more money every two years.

Idk who this guy is, but he’s right

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If the Chiefs really wanted Chris Jones to be at camp and accept their offer, they should have drafted interior DL before the 6th round in this last draft. <br><br>They didn&#39;t.<br><br>He knows they have nothing to replace him with for at least the next 2 years. They made their bed. <a href="https://t.co/P9mhJZ0uMJ">pic.twitter.com/P9mhJZ0uMJ</a></p>&mdash; ����‼️ (@LanceTHESPOKEN) <a href="https://twitter.com/LanceTHESPOKEN/status/1689660513364463616?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 10, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He’s been pretty great for the most part but I’m not particularly a fan of his reduced production in non contract negotiating seasons.

Most likely this is his final big contract, so he would be smart to try and maximize that.

There wasn't a DT in the draft that would've changed the current situation.

Even Veach has been open to the fact that the time will come for him to get a new deal soon. You guys are delusional of you think Mahomes will stay the 7-10th best paid QB for the length of his contract. The NFLPA wouldn't even let him.

At some point you are going to have to pay someone other than Mahomes. Bolton is probably one of them.

Yeah we made our bed last year as well. Then we tucked the rest of the league in it and took the trophy.

2 years?

Apparently this dude is completely unaware that you can entirely remake a position in 1 offseason. Especially if that involves a tag and trade of Jones, Jones currently has no leverage, he has to show up and play his ass off or no one is giving a 30 year old DT a huge contract that created desire and laziness questions with behavior.

No leverage. LOL.

Maybe we should sign Suh.

Prob should sign him anyway regardless what happens with Chris.

What is his leverage?

The only way he has any leverage at all is if the Chiefs think he is irreplaceable which he's not.

He still has to show up, he still has to play well or he just ****s himself.

Guys have gotten paid coming off injured seasons. You name it, it's happened.

The Chiefs know their DL isn't good enough without Jones so yeah, at this point, he's irreplaceable.

He's not irreplaceable, but he's pretty close at the moment. Elite pass rushers do not grow on trees, and especially elite pass rushing DTs.

As I said, he has no choice but to play this season. After the season you have the ability to make moves to replace him.

If he were to legit sit out actual games all that would happen is he would lose money to huge fines and then teams would question his desire on top of the fact that he's 30.

If he shows up and goes out and has some crazy 17 sack year or is even the same player he was last year, he can get that contract he wants just probably not here.

But you also don't build a consistent winner signing guys to 3rd contracts, 1st and 2nd contracts is where the value is.

I agree and wasn't last year the first full healthy year he had? When he comes back I am worried he is going to get injured and miss a bunch of games.

No disagreements for the most part. Some positions are exceptions to the rule such as QB, LT, and pass rushers. Elite ones are very hard to find and usually they continue to get top dollar until they show dramatic signs of decline.

I was going over DT's and about 95% of them start severely declining at age 29.

Jones is definitely playing here this season.

BEARS!

What is his leverage, seriously? He will be missed if he holds out, but it would be exponentially more harmful to Jones's reputation and financial security as an individual compared to a team that has Mahomes and has been able to overcome many obstacles the last 5 years and yet have made it to 5 straights AFCCGs.

He played in 11 games before getting hurt and got 5 sacks. So he was on pace to get 8 sacks if he was healthy. Is that worth the $27 million cap hit they were giving him?

And I'm glad you brought up injuries. Dedicating that much to a single player that isn't a QB is a gigantic risk, especially one that is on a 3rd contract.

We saw what that looked like with Frank Clark. You saw what that looked like for the Bills last year too. Chris Jones age alone would be a factor here. Historically DT's starting declining around 30-31. A long term deal risks that.

How often do 3rd contracts work out for DL? JJ Watt? Nope. Von Miller so far? Nope. Aaron Donald so far? Nope.

Everybody wants to be the Patriots dynasty. Well hanging onto old players isn't how you do what the Patriots did.

As a Mizzou guy, I love Nick Bolton. But I don’t think he’s good enough in pass coverage to pay him a 2nd contract in the realm of what Roquon Smith got.

He made progress there last year, but I still think he’s got a physical limit to his coverage upside.

I don’t think MLB is the spot they pick. Especially not with how inexpensive Tranquill was. If he plays as much and as well as I think he is going to play, Tranquill could prove a better long-term fit/pay at MLB than Bolton.

https://twitter.com/kcsportsnetwork/...nI6B385NMubBQA

Chiefs won’t make him the highest paid DT

Bolton should get a contract that is more in line with what the Jags guy got maybe a bit more, he's not Fred Warner or Roquan.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> are reportedly “unwilling” to make Chris Jones the league’s highest-paid defensive tackle, per <a href="https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ByNateTaylor</a>. <a href="https://t.co/zg0JlFJI7n">pic.twitter.com/zg0JlFJI7n</a></p>&mdash; KC Sports Network (@KCSportsNetwork) <a href="https://twitter.com/KCSportsNetwork/status/1689675012096057344?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 10, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Do you think they keep Gay and Tranquill and let Bolton walk? Do you think he will want Roquon Smith money? I guess we will see, but I saw how much of an upgrade he was over Hitchens and would hate to see him walk if KC doesn't have to.

We've completely Fonzied ourselves here in thinking losing a DPOY candidate won't be harmful to the Chiefs chances of winning a SB>

If those guys are reasonably priced I think they'd bring them back. Off ball LB's don't get paid huge deals unless they are elite.

They aren't even losing him, if that happened it'd be after the season giving them ample ability to replace him.

I don't think anyone disagrees with that.

The issue is if that's the way you wanna go, you do it before the draft this year.

Yes, next year woudl be ideal.

I don't think they'll risk tagging him and taking that cap hit during FA, but they may have to.

If defensive players are that unimportant, I can't imagine anyone here is happy the Chiefs have spent 3 straight first round picks on defenders.

I question the players value when it's a 3rd contract and he is wanting that kind of money.

Cool, should have traded him before the draft then in order to maximize value and get his old ass off the team.

If Chris is expecting to beat Donald’s contract then that’s on him.

I mean come on dude. Work with us a little.

He's not.

You dont need to keep Creed, like at all.

What if the plan was always to let him play out the contract and go for the SB again before walking away?

Ok now if we are going to treat the WR position the way we are then the OL has to be great, you can't have an ok OL and blah WRs.

Not gonna get much value there for him, but that may be the path of least resistance here.

Wouldn't it have made more sense to get a 1st rounder + and draft his replacement and have a core piece for the next 4 years rather than keep him and trade a falling off DT (30 year old is when DTs fall off according to you guys) for scraps next year?

So what contract would offer him right now? I don't get how you can have the stance that he's a year or so away from falling off yet want to give him $25mil.

Rams really needed Donald to not retire so they could get 5 wins on the season.

**** that dumbass franchise

2-3 year extension, a little more than the Quinnen Williams deal.

Makes no sense to pay him if you think he's gonna fall off a cliff.

I would play for the love of the game. The money wouldn’t matter to me.

WTF? Factoring in age, I'd easily keep Creed over Thuney.

If they just can't work out a deal, let him play this season out, then franchise him in 2024 and 2025. Probably the best deal for the Chiefs anyway.

They can't afford to tag him for 2 years.

You sure about that? This year would have been $19M. Less than they are paying him. Sure it'll be more next two years, but compared to the extension they are offering would it be so different?

Because he can always be replaced by a Reiter or something.

What are you asking? Are you asking if Chris Jones doesn't step up on 3rd and 8 in a game he played do we make it? Who knows. If he doesn't sack him, it could've been an incompletion, could've been an interception, could have been anything. Could have gone to OT. We don't know, but this whole "If Jones doesn't sack Burrow on 3rd and 8 we don't win" is pure speculation and horseshit. Burrow had already thrown multiple picks and bad incompletions.

Next years tag would be 33.5 million for him.

Guaranteed amount is really what matters. His last one was 60 mil. Donald got 46 mil. Williams got 66 mil. If reports are right Jones want's at least that much in total guarantees.

That isn't going to look nearly as good when we don't have a top 5 WR group that can get open quickly.

In hindsight, probably so.

Maybe Jones wasn't honest about what contract he would be happy with?

Other teams might not want to pay a near 30 year old DT that price plus give up draft compensation.

Correct, we don't know what could have happened had he not sacked Burrow. But what we do know is Jones sacked him and that was a critical play that helped KC to get to a SB. So yes, without speculating and throwing "what if's" in there, KC most likely does not make the SB without Jones' sack.

Okay, so his cap hit next year would be about $5M more than it already is this year. With no long-term ill effects of any kind. We really can't work around that?

I guess if you think the window is now when you still have Kelce you play Jones one more year. But you don't give Jones the third contract. Let some other team take that chance.

Of course not. The thought that KC can just replace Creed easily is silly. They could get a stud or they could get a Reiter.

Well, that would eat up about 3/4 of the cap space we're gonna have available.

Well maybe so. But it seems like there is usually some team out there desperate enough to give up picks who also has cap space.

Normally players get older they get less money. Jones wants more money.

Having Frank Clark account for $7.5m on our cap this year really ****ing sucks. If only....nevermind.

Elite players want elite player money. What the hell are you talking about?

Let him play it out this year, win a SB and trade him for assets to give yourself flexibility in the future.

Or

Give him a deal now that has a clean out after 3 years to protect yourself.

Those are the best options IMO

His contract demands would be met by very few teams in the league. It's almost as if these players expect a hometown *premium*.

Is this really "news"?

Okay. Still seems like it could be worked around. Find some way to extend essential players where the cap hits are down the road a bit, and then when we run out of tags for Jones we'll have a mammoth influx of cap space become available to accommodate those other needs. Figure it out, Vrach!

When a player has won 2 rings all that is left is money, most guys want the bag anyway, he has nothing else to pursue and thinks the team needs him.

And his inability to sack Burrow the year before cost us a Super Bowl appearance.

Somewhere, diphag9 is trembling with rage, and starting a thread on why Brett Veach is an idiot that doesn't understand the cap is going to increase, and why he should make Jones highest paid d tackle in football, followed by wall of text describing the method that nobody reads.

The inability for the offense to score anything more than 1 field goal in the second half is more to blame on that loss.

That played a role, but that definitely was not the key reason why we didn't make the SB.

To be fair,

Chris Jones has been a regular-season monster for us. In the playoffs there isn't much production. (He did have a great year last year in AFC champ game)

They clearly and obviously didn't think they were this far apart.

I agree. Just as him getting the sack doesn’t equal Chiefs most likely not getting to the Super Bowl last season.