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chiefzilla1501 10-28-2022 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16561405)
I don't think the Tyreek Hill comparisons are fair.

Totally different kind of dudes. Tyreek was never as shifty as this guy, but has better acceleration and of course straight line speed.

But Kadarius' start/stop is just on a whole other level. He's an And1 Mix Tape dude on a football field.

I like the tyreek comparison not because they’re even close to the same player. But because he can fill in for something we missed when tyreek left us. A huge part of our offense last year was when defenses took the top off, we could dump a short one to tyreek and he’d make a gazillion cuts to turn it into a huge gainer. Toney fills that role nicely.

srvy 10-28-2022 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16561422)
I don't remember Tyreek ever putting a move like this on someone. This foo' could legit break ankles.

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When Reek popped on the scene he did shit more impressive than that without stumbling. Then after a year or two, he started protecting himself by getting down or going out of bounds. I don't know if he was told to protect himself for down the stretch run or was looking for a way out of KC.

srvy 10-28-2022 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by louie aguiar (Post 16561373)
Mahomes looks high AF

He is on vaca lol.

crispystl 10-28-2022 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 16561375)
Skyy Moore, Travis Kelce and Kadarius Toney all get open almost instantly and make plays with the ball in their hands. On top of that, we have straight up burners with Mecole and MVS and some physical type passing game targets like Juju, Fortson and Gray.

The present and future of this passing offense is so exciting.

The potential of this offense down the stretch is insane. Historically good.


Man the future is just so exciting. The current roster was already gelling and now we’ve added Toney. Andy, Mahomes and Veitch are all just outstanding at what they do. They’ve really built something in Kansas City and I’m just enjoying it as much as I possible can.

On top of that the Broncos are hamstrung screwed for half a decade, and their coach and QB are the laughing stock of the league.

Never take this for granted guys, and appreciate it while we have it, because it doesn’t get any better.


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suzzer99 10-28-2022 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16561417)

That gif will never ever get old.

I want it played at my funeral.

HemiEd 10-28-2022 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by srvy (Post 16561362)
Damn the fingers on this kid look like something from the movvie Alien.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgLqoWoW...name=4096x4096

Wow, holy cow, they are in the above average range for sure. :D

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Stryker 10-28-2022 06:28 PM

My .02 is this is a low risk/high reward situation. I am glad we traded for him and his salary is ridicules. I say let's see what happens 5 to 6 weeks out - what do we have to work with here? At that point in time. I trust Reid and Veach. If they cannot fix him through the off season during OTA's and training camp then simply cut ties. BUT, if he get's his head straight and becomes something we anticipated then it is a SERIOUS win for the Chiefs. Waiting to see how this plays out. Between Reid and Mahomes, this could work out in OUR favor for next to nothing to acquire him. :thumb:

Hoover 10-28-2022 06:39 PM

I like this trade more and more every day.

This could be the Tyreek replacement. Tons of talent. Skill set that's perfect for Reid's offense. And the Best QB in the world, who will help this cat mature.

siberian khatru 10-28-2022 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 16561539)
I like this trade more and more every day.

This could be the Tyreek replacement. Tons of talent. Skill set that's perfect for Reid's offense. And the Best QB in the world, who will help this cat mature.

If he can’t make it here, he won’t make it anywhere

BlackOp 10-28-2022 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 16561542)
If he can’t make it here, he won’t make it anywhere

I was thinking the same thing...this is like winning the lottery for a young WR...like walking on to the MJ Bulls.

If he cant get it together with Mahomes/Kelce/Reid in his ear...it's never gong to happen.

Veach has a direct line to Kafka, so they have a pretty good idea of whats going on with him.

Daboll really stuck it to his old team...ha.

Halfcan 10-28-2022 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 16561539)
I like this trade more and more every day.

This could be the Tyreek replacement. Tons of talent. Skill set that's perfect for Reid's offense. And the Best QB in the world, who will help this cat mature.

Our Special teams have not been special-so Veech goes out and gets them a dangerous weapon.

This guy will make a big impact.

Halfcan 10-28-2022 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Stryker (Post 16561529)
My .02 is this is a low risk/high reward situation. I am glad we traded for him and his salary is ridicules. I say let's see what happens 5 to 6 weeks out - what do we have to work with here? At that point in time. I trust Reid and Veach. If they cannot fix him through the off season during OTA's and training camp then simply cut ties. BUT, if he get's his head straight and becomes something we anticipated then it is a SERIOUS win for the Chiefs. Waiting to see how this plays out. Between Reid and Mahomes, this could work out in OUR favor for next to nothing to acquire him. :thumb:

Other teams in the NFL are ****ed now.

Kiimo 10-28-2022 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 16561185)
I’m getting AB vibes

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Lol half the people speaking on me can’t even tell you nun bout me literally. They Told You Ion Love Football Kuz I “Make Musik” and the list goes on. Comical. Y’all believe any narrative, and Me. I Let You. Your Welcome ❤️</p>&mdash; Kadarius Toney (@0fficialC2N) <a href="https://twitter.com/0fficialC2N/status/1586102131232149504?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 28, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>





And Juju was a terrible locker room cancer that was going to TikTok dance his way right outta here

oh wait no he's totally fine.

Abba-Dabba 10-28-2022 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 16561571)
And Juju was a terrible locker room cancer that was going to TikTok dance his way right outta here

oh wait no he's totally fine.

Typical Karen's gonna Karen.

DenverChief 10-28-2022 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16561211)
Oh yeah - the kid is presently LOADED with crazy.

That's the job in front of the coaching staff. It's not unlocking the talent because it just oozes out of him.

It's getting his head screwed on straight.

I disagree. I think he is incredibly intelligent and well spoken. If you’re watch his media day interviews it’s a different person than his twitter. A lot like CP personalities.

Halfcan 10-28-2022 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 16561571)
And Juju was a terrible locker room cancer that was going to TikTok dance his way right outta here

oh wait no he's totally fine.

Reports are that he came in, got his playbook and jersey, met Mahomes and was totally stoked. The first impressions for both sides went very well.

Kiimo 10-28-2022 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 16561599)
I disagree. I think he is incredibly intelligent and well spoken. If you’re watch his media day interviews it’s a different person than his twitter. A lot like CP personalities.

Are you telling me people don't speak and act like their online persona

Halfcan 10-28-2022 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 16561623)
Are you telling me people don't speak and act like their online persona

LMAO

I guess not. The Chiefs seem extremely happy to get the guy. He went for catching passes from Jones to Mahomes-I would say he upgraded his situation as well. Seems to be a perfect match.

OnTheWarpath15 10-28-2022 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 16558914)
We just got a new shiny new amazing toy for Christmas and some of y'all are looking at the price tag and seeing that it's been built in Bangladesh and want to return it. You don't deserve nice things. Only Josh Gordons and Kelvin Benjamins.

A-****ING-MEN.

Hammock Parties 10-28-2022 08:14 PM

we need to 100% trust andy and veach on wide receivers right now because they hit back to back home runs with juju and mvs, and watson was a solid double

Megatron96 10-28-2022 08:14 PM

Biggest concern is obviously can he stay healthy. All the talent in the world doesn't mean anything if he can't be available. If he can stay healthy, I think he's probably (like 99% certain) going to be just fine with KC.

In58men 10-28-2022 08:15 PM

Chiefs been in discussions with him since spring, they told that fool not to play and to stay healthy. He did just that.

carcosa 10-28-2022 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by In58men (Post 16561631)
Chiefs been in discussions with him since spring, they told that fool not to play and to stay healthy. He did just that.

That would be some extremely advanced tampering. Next level stuff

Halfcan 10-28-2022 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16561629)
we need to 100% trust andy and veach on wide receivers right now because they hit back to back home runs with juju and mvs, and watson was a solid double

What if Justin Ross heals up and is ready to hit his potential next year too? Mahomes could have weapons that rival the Bills and Bengals.

Hammock Parties 10-28-2022 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 16561638)
What if Justin Ross heals up and is ready to hit his potential next year too? Mahomes could have weapons that rival the Bills and Bengals.

wr room is going to be real, real solid for awhile

if the chiefs hit on pacheco and they can find another lineman in the draft the offense is going to be so damn good for the next three seasons minimum

and then mahomes hits his prime :D

BigRedChief 10-28-2022 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 16561542)
If he can’t make it here, he won’t make it anywhere

He has to know this too.

BigRedChief 10-28-2022 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 16561616)
Reports are that he came in, got his playbook and jersey, met Mahomes and was totally stoked. The first impressions for both sides went very well.

Must have been some good weed.

Halfcan 10-28-2022 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16561642)
wr room is going to be real, real solid for awhile

if the chiefs hit on pacheco and they can find another lineman in the draft the offense is going to be so damn good for the next three seasons minimum

and then mahomes hits his prime :D

This. Even Mahome's detractors know that his "prime" years are still a few seasons away. He is the best ever 70 games in- how great can he be as he matures?

Halfcan 10-28-2022 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 16561647)
Must have been some good weed.

:thumb: It looked like it. Mahomes looks very happy.

dlphg9 10-28-2022 08:43 PM

I'll be curious to see if/when Toney gets more snaps if defenses will go back to how they defended us last year to take away the deep pass.

Right now Patrick Mahomes is in 1st place with passes over 25 yards (22). If Toney starts getting more snaps and they defend us the same, I could see him absolutely exploding.

Hammock Parties 10-28-2022 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 16561654)
This. Even Mahome's detractors know that his "prime" years are still a few seasons away. He is the best ever 70 games in- how great can he be as he matures?

tom brady's best season - 30

peyton manning - 28

joe montana - 33

drew brees - 32

john elway - 33

favre is an exception here, although he had his best season at 40 his 2nd and 3rd were 27 and 28, but mahomes isn't favre

given his trajectory and the fact his scrambling doesn't rely on speed but rather quickness, i don't foresee any falloff in mahomes play until his mid 30s

Chief Pagan 10-28-2022 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by carcosa (Post 16561637)
That would be some extremely advanced tampering. Next level stuff

/gif You don't say

BossChief 10-28-2022 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16561669)
tom brady's best season - 30

peyton manning - 28

joe montana - 33

drew brees - 32

john elway - 33

favre is an exception here, although he had his best season at 40 his 2nd and 3rd were 27 and 28, but mahomes isn't favre

given his trajectory and the fact his scrambling doesn't rely on speed but rather quickness, i don't foresee any falloff in mahomes play until his mid 30s

Why would Mahomes slow down on his mid 30s?

DenverChief 10-28-2022 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 16561623)
Are you telling me people don't speak and act like their online persona

Some and shocking I know.

Megatron96 10-28-2022 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 16561702)
Why would Mahomes slow down on his mid 30s?

He's going to get slower. Everyone does. So his ability to escape the pocket/rush is going to fade by then. He's going to have to be that much better as a pocket passer. We'll probably see a reduction/elimination of the RPO stuff over time, replaced more and more by Pat being under center. He's going to have to get even better presnap as well.

Hammock Parties 10-28-2022 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 16561702)
Why would Mahomes slow down on his mid 30s?

he will lose some raw speed and probably just a touch of quickness - those ad lib plays will be harder to come by

don't think the arm will fall off, favre's never did

i see him having some gannon years though

Kiimo 10-28-2022 10:11 PM

I still maintain that Mahomes' best attribute is his brain. Followed by his vision. He'll age well and his ability to find open receivers is a cumulative process because he remembers everything. When he's old and immobile I could easily see him transition to an older Peyton or Brady.

I would be worried if I was a Ravens or Bills fan though.

Iconic 10-28-2022 10:14 PM

Low risk high reward pick up that's cost controlled for up to potentially 3 years. Sounds like another dub for Veach. I mean if this kid actually pans out he has the potential to be similar to Diggs, injuries and maturity are about the only things holding him back.

Kiimo 10-28-2022 10:24 PM

I know it's Friday night and we're all drinking mostly but I have to say I'm extremely intrigued from this film and things Seth Keysor is digging up.

He has a wow factor that I didn't know and assumed he was a bust. But there are a ton of stories about receivers that started slow and boomed. He's nothing like Antonio Brown but just from a first couple years in the league standpoint I don't see why he can't blossom like Brown did. You know, before he went unironically crazy.

I guess what I'm trying to say is he has a ceiling that none of our other guys have and if he just works into the rotation I think he could possibly put up some big games.

These open field moves remind me of Deebo Samuel to be honest.

Abba-Dabba 10-28-2022 10:34 PM

Just FTR I'm loving this move sober or not.

Chiefshrink 10-28-2022 10:38 PM

Andy is missing the "Tyreek effect" on defenses. To me Toney is a poor man's version of Hill that can still effect defenses IF he can stay on the field.

trndobrd 10-28-2022 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Iconic (Post 16561765)
Low risk high reward pick up that's cost controlled for up to potentially 3 years. Sounds like another dub for Veach. I mean if this kid actually pans out he has the potential to be similar to Diggs, injuries and maturity are about the only things holding him back.

At this point if he turns out to be a top 10 punt returner and good for a couple catches a game, the move will be worth it.

If Toney reaches his potential in this offense and locker room...a complete steal.

Megatron96 10-28-2022 10:58 PM

It's already stealing, in my book. We got a receiver with elite level speed, quickness, RAC-ability, hands (not 100% on this as his catchrate is only 68%), absolutely filthy route-running ability, and football IQ for what amounts to a 4th-rd and 7th-rd pick. If he busts for any reason, well it was just a 90-something pick and whatever 7th rd pick.

But if he produces anything like his highlight reels this season and/or in the playoffs, that's a win right there. If he continues to thrive in KC next season and beyond, then we'll have straight up fleeced NYG.

Hammock Parties 10-28-2022 11:52 PM

play #2 is a jet flip and it's the sickest shit ever

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Warrick 10-29-2022 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16561821)
play #2 is a jet flip and it's the sickest shit ever

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Yeah, he makes the whole defense look silly... Like they're a bunch of high schoolers. I hope we get to see some of this week 9.

Simply Red 10-29-2022 12:10 AM

He's going to finish the year with 420 yards receiving - LOL can you imagine?

IMO it's probably going to turn out to be true.

Simply Red 10-29-2022 12:14 AM

Andy fiddin' to believe in this kid - dude going to belief!! Got me beliefing!

Megatron96 10-29-2022 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16561821)
play #2 is a jet flip and it's the sickest shit ever

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23 for FSU literally broke his ankle or something trying to change direction with Kadarius. One of the other highlight reels shows the reverse angle of that play and you can see 23's ankle buckle when eh tries to reverse himself.

Unfortunately, while watching those highlight reels I've figured out why he keeps getting injured, and I'm not sure it can be fixed. In short, he takes unnecessary hits. In many cases he invites contact instead of just stepping out of bounds or going down. He's not big enough to absorb all that punishment. Somehow the coaches gotta get him to save a lot of that for the playoffs.

But I don't think he'll give that part of his game up. I'm seeing an extremely competitive football player. You'd have to be to fight for yards the way this kid does. I don't think we have to worry about him being indifferent once he's on the field. This guy wants to win.

emaw1979 10-29-2022 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16561713)
He's going to get slower. Everyone does. So his ability to escape the pocket/rush is going to fade by then. He's going to have to be that much better as a pocket passer. We'll probably see a reduction/elimination of the RPO stuff over time, replaced more and more by Pat being under center. He's going to have to get even better presnap as well.

Much better pocket passer? He's already one of the best of all time. The offense is what will need to adjust.

Megatron96 10-29-2022 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by emaw1979 (Post 16561857)
Much better pocket passer? He's already one of the best of all time. The offense is what will need to adjust.

Right now he's reading defenses pretty well, yes. No question it's a lot harder to fool Pat now than it was four years ago. Or even two years ago.

But I'm talking about the next level, where he goes all Payton Manning and manipulates the defense presnap. He's already done it a few times I think. But I think he's smart enough to do it at least to the level of Payton in his prime.

Pasta Little Brioni 10-29-2022 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 16561783)
Andy is missing the "Tyreek effect" on defenses. To me Toney is a poor man's version of Hill that can still effect defenses IF he can stay on the field.

Bullshit. Chiefs would be averaging 34 points a game if not for a few missed chip shot FGs especiallythe Indy disaster where they lost at least 7 points on kicks with the debacle of a fake FG and missed chippies. This offense is explosive as ever. FAR more explosive plays than last year for example .

KChiefs1 10-29-2022 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16561821)
play #2 is a jet flip and it's the sickest shit ever

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Andy is going to design some good shit for him.

Hope he keeps his head on straight & stays healthy for once.


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KChiefs1 10-29-2022 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 16561828)
He's going to finish the year with 420 yards receiving - LOL can you imagine?

IMO it's probably going to turn out to be true.


No chance this year.


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KChiefs1 10-29-2022 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16561821)
play #2 is a jet flip and it's the sickest shit ever

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He broke a Nick Bolton tackle. Enough said.


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Tylerthigpen!1! 10-29-2022 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 16561974)
No chance this year.


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U think 69 yards is probably right?

In58men 10-29-2022 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by carcosa (Post 16561637)
That would be some extremely advanced tampering. Next level stuff

You never know, if he didn’t play like he did and was hurt I could see why no other team was in on him except for Chiefs lol.

Why throw picks at a guy who hasn’t played this season and supposedly has character concerns?

jd1020 10-29-2022 08:07 AM

Hope it works out but we are still posting college highlights of a guy 2 years into his NFL career. I dont have high hopes that he'll spend more time studying the playbook than recording in Tamba Hali's studio.

Monticore 10-29-2022 08:28 AM

Don’t NFL receivers typically take 2-3 years to develop, recently there have exceptions but giving up on a guy who has played less than a seasons worth of football and not because he couldn’t make the team , just seems early to call him a bust .

Monticore 10-29-2022 08:33 AM

In the one game he dressed this year the team didn’t even try using him and gave him a few token Carries near the end and he didn’t look like he was dogging it , 2 only exciting s plays if the game.

In58men 10-29-2022 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Monticore (Post 16562040)
Don’t NFL receivers typically take 2-3 years to develop, recently there have exceptions but giving up on a guy who has played less than a seasons worth of football and not because he couldn’t make the team , just seems early to call him a bust .

He’s far from a bust lol.

jd1020 10-29-2022 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Monticore (Post 16562040)
Don’t NFL receivers typically take 2-3 years to develop, recently there have exceptions but giving up on a guy who has played less than a seasons worth of football and not because he couldn’t make the team , just seems early to call him a bust .

The reason he has played less than a seasons worth of football isn't because of his development as a receiver. Long term I see this nothing more than a cheap replacement for Hardman and that in and of itself is pretty meh.

I get the move. It makes a lot of sense given the price, but that was the price for a reason. I just have low expectations. Hopefully there's at least 1 year where he manages to stay healthy long enough to have a Sammy Watkins impact in a SB.

Chris Meck 10-29-2022 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 16562051)
The reason he has played less than a seasons worth of football isn't because of his development as a receiver. Long term I see this nothing more than a cheap replacement for Hardman and that in and of itself is pretty meh.

I get the move. It makes a lot of sense given the price, but that was the price for a reason. I just have low expectations. Hopefully there's at least 1 year where he manages to stay healthy long enough to have a Sammy Watkins impact in a SB.

He's an explosive athlete. You take a chance on that whenever you can.

FlaChief58 10-29-2022 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 16562051)
The reason he has played less than a seasons worth of football isn't because of his development as a receiver. Long term I see this nothing more than a cheap replacement for Hardman and that in and of itself is pretty meh.

I get the move. It makes a lot of sense given the price, but that was the price for a reason. I just have low expectations. Hopefully there's at least 1 year where he manages to stay healthy long enough to have a Sammy Watkins impact in a SB.

I think you underestimate the effect of working for a shitty employer with people you dont like can have on ones mental well being. Sometimes a change of scenery is all it takes to get your head right. The Chiefs organization is leaps and bounds better than the giants in every way. We'll see if he can get his shit together in KC. If not, his NFL career is over

jd1020 10-29-2022 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by FlaChief58 (Post 16562086)
I think you underestimate the effect of working for a shitty employer with people you dont like can have on ones mental well being. Sometimes a change of scenery is all it takes to get your head right. The Chiefs organization is leaps and bounds better than the giants in every way. We'll see if he can get his shit together in KC. If not, his NFL career is over

He tattoo'd his body with a Giants logo. Is there something more than a meme of him not wanting to be there and faking injuries?

Pasta Little Brioni 10-29-2022 09:03 AM

Toney will explode in this offense

FlaChief58 10-29-2022 09:06 AM

Young guy from the "hood" gets drafted by an NFL team in New York. Of course he's going to be over the top excited. He's making big money playing a game.
But the honeymoon was over quickly for whatever reason (probably felt he was underused). Now he has the best QB on the planet, arguably the best Coach in the league, and a championship caliber organization. If he can't make it in KC, I doubt he'll make it anywhere

jd1020 10-29-2022 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by FlaChief58 (Post 16562101)
Young guy from the "hood" gets drafted by an NFL team in New York. Of course he's going to be over the top excited. He's making big money playing a game.
But the honeymoon was over quickly for whatever reason (probably felt he was underused).

I feel like you are projecting quite a bit. He's been injured for most of his time. That goes back to college, along with his affection for music. I haven't read a single thing about him being unhappy on the Giants. There are questions about how much he actually enjoys football and his commitment to it, not the team he played for.

TEX 10-29-2022 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 16562051)
The reason he has played less than a seasons worth of football isn't because of his development as a receiver. Long term I see this nothing more than a cheap replacement for Hardman and that in and of itself is pretty meh.

I get the move. It makes a lot of sense given the price, but that was the price for a reason. I just have low expectations. Hopefully there's at least 1 year where he manages to stay healthy long enough to have a Sammy Watkins impact in a SB.

This.

PHOG 10-29-2022 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by FlaChief58 (Post 16562086)
I think you underestimate the effect of working for a shitty employer with people you dont like can have on ones mental well being. Sometimes a change of scenery is all it takes to get your head right. The Chiefs organization is leaps and bounds better than the giants in every way. We'll see if he can get his shit together in KC. If not, his NFL career is over

Not to mention the QB.

old_geezer 10-29-2022 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 16562104)
I feel like you are projecting quite a bit. He's been injured for most of his time. That goes back to college, along with his affection for music. I haven't read a single thing about him being unhappy on the Giants. There are questions about how much he actually enjoys football and his commitment to it, not the team he played for.

His comment after the trade, "Thank you God", would seem to reflect on his feelings for his former team, not his commitment to football.

dlphg9 10-29-2022 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 16562013)
Hope it works out but we are still posting college highlights of a guy 2 years into his NFL career. I dont have high hopes that he'll spend more time studying the playbook than recording in Tamba Hali's studio.

You're obsession with Moore is really weird. Toney had a 189 yd receiving game in just his 5th game ever. Moore hasn't come close to flashing like that. Also had a 78 yd game in week 4.

jd1020 10-29-2022 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 16562142)
You're obsession with Moore is really weird.

Bro, you are the one obsessed. Nothing I said there has anything remotely related to Moore.

DaFace 10-29-2022 10:00 AM

It's odd to me that people seem to think that he's officially earned the "error prone" label after only 1.5 years in the league. With that mentality, we would have cut Kelce before he ever stepped on the field.

PurpleJesus28 10-29-2022 10:06 AM

I seem to remember some wanting the Chiefs to trade up for Jameson Williams,who is still recovering from a major injury.That wouldve took a lot more picks to move up and get him i think.

I don't know if Toney is comparable to him or not,but i'll trust the Chiefs brass that they made an aggressive move and he will be a valuable asset to the Chiefs,not just this season,but hopefully several more.Thats assuming of course he can stay healthy and keep his head screwed on straight.

Dunerdr 10-29-2022 10:06 AM

I keep saying he’s two years into his nfl career with nothing to show. Can we clarify that he’s 1.5 into it. The seals barely been cracked on this kid.

Dunerdr 10-29-2022 10:12 AM

Also my comp oils be Sammy Watkins with Dante Halls shiftiness. The guy wants to truck guys like Sammy at the end.

dlphg9 10-29-2022 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 16562145)
Bro, you are the one obsessed. Nothing I said there has anything remotely related to Moore.

You don't have to actually write his name for your post to have something to do with him.

Sassy Squatch 10-29-2022 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 16562090)
He tattoo'd his body with a Giants logo. Is there something more than a meme of him not wanting to be there and faking injuries?

Yeah, not sure why folks have just decided to accept that because it was the Giants he was being a poopy head and now that he's with the Chiefs he'll calm down. Or that because Daboll spent an insignificant part of his career in New England in miniscule roles he's branded a Patriots Stooge 4 LYFE.

jd1020 10-29-2022 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 16562196)
You don't have to actually write his name for your post to have something to do with him.

LMAO

You are so ****ing stupid. I've already said I envision him as Hardman's replacement.

Go sit in your corner reerun.


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