ROFLROFLROFL stevieray is a casual fan???? ****ing hilarious!!! Gangbangyourmom is comedy gold!!!! And even references pole smoking in the same post!!! Can we keep him???

I disagree. You can look stuff up all you want but sometimes opposing fans enlighten us. For example... my boy Rab mentioned simmering about injuries. I never would’ve known how riddled with injuries the KC team was. My boy Franchise pointed out how improved this team was after week 11 after adjustments were made. And my client burp... well, he’s teaching me grammar. There’s definitely things to learn by talking to the other side.

San Francisco is so great, 1000 people leap to their death from the bridge at the edge of town as an alternative to living there.

You'll see the San Fran fans making the same leap from the bandwagon around the 2nd time Mahomes has the ball in his hands in the 3rd quarter.

Exactly what the HOU and TEN fans said. Multiple times.

No one knows what the **** this means!!!!

Oh, wait....he means me! So cute.:shake: But judging by the first quote, you're not catching on at all.....

How DARE you talk to First Down Elvis like that!??

He's my BOY.

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I can't keep it all straight. Is it "Mahomes is only good because of the scheme and all of the weapons he has," or is it "You have the better quarterback, we have the better team?"

A lot of people are saying in order to limit Mahomes you need to keep him in the pocket and force him to go through his reades.

Sort of like what New England did in the second half of their game.

What's the assessment from Chiefs fans?

Bay Area folks show up, and now this thread has AIDS.

Can't be done.

Mahomes is lethal because of his ability to scramble and improvise when the sheme breaks down.

The 49ers have the better defense and run game. Special teams wise I know nothing about the Chiefs.

Is it gonna hurt when we pee?

False narrative that the media tried to push last year because Mahomes is so great at making something out of busted plays.

His stats actually go up throwing from the pocket.

Yes, keep him in the pocket and then collapse the pocket on him. But he’s pretty damn great as a pocket QB too. Once he gets out of the pocket, he is every bit as dangerous as Russell Wilson and maybe even more dangerous given the stronger receiving weapons for Mahomes.

I consider holding you guys under 30 as "limiting mahomes."

Which has been done 10 times this year by lesser defenses than the 49ers.

and that's what Im afraid of the most.

Hey man, if you're looking for a decent conversation with Chief 'fans' who know something about football you came to the wrong place. But as an educated person of the game, and a Niner fan, I will take a shot at replying for both parties:

Niner Take: If the D keeps the edge and contains the roll out PM has little chance to go his second or third read based on their pass rush ability. Mahomes, similar to Wilson, has the ability for broken plays resulting in the DB's to cover for a second route, which causes fits.

Chief 'fan': PEOPLE SHIT ON YOUR CITY AND THERE ARE HOMELESS ALL OVER THE PLACE. SO WE WILL SHIT, HE WILL SHIT ALL OVER YOU!!!

Rephrased: Won't be done.

Yeah but Mahomes has been hurt since the 2nd quarter of Week 1 and just started to get healthy the last week or two of the season.


What you have seen of him in the playoffs is the completely healthy Mahomes and looks like a much better version of last year.

See??? Gangbangyourmom WANTS to stay!!! Can we keep it???(It because I surely shouldn't assume it's gender)

He wore a knee brace the first time we played the Titans as it was his first week back from injury. He wasn't mobile and didn't have the ability to break the pocket in the same way as he normally would. He threw for 446yds and 3 TDs.

The scary thing is that he's more dangerous outside of the pocket because of his ability to improvise and the fact that our receivers are so fast that they'll eventually find space from your DBs.

Your saving grace is that your DL is athletic and fast and that will make it more difficult for him to do some of what he likes.

I'd classify that as fake news. He's incredibly effective and decisive from the pocket. It's the biggest progression in his game from 2018 to 2019 (And I believe he set PFF's record for passer rating from the pocket last year).

He moves through his reads quickly, is making reads pre-snap, and is decisive.

The Patriots, because they have the best and deepest group of coverage players in the secondary in the NFL, are best designed to limit the Chiefs offense. They have a lockdown man cover corner who can follow Hill all across the field, and 2 additional excellent cover corners with great speed, plus excellent safeties. They're as effective in man coverage in cover 0 as in more conservative zone coverages.

Mahomes also bruised his throwing hand in first half of the Patriots game and was noticeably different throwing it after halftime. Big drop in velocity.

And we have 14 wins so far. You do the math.

Using the regular season to judge how Mahomes performed and using that for your expectations is faulty since he had both a nagging ankle injury he suffered all the way back in week one that bothered him sporadically until week seven where his kneecap got popped out on the QB sneak. Mobile Mahomes really hasn't been a thing until the playoffs this year. He's been gimpy and still putting up elite tier numbers.

Mahomes has zero issues "going through reads" or throwing from the pocket. He has excellent vision and will throw to whoever is open. The key to slowing him down just comes down to pressure. Pressure + physical man-to-man coverage has slowed down the offense at times. Chargers took away the deep ball and were able to apply pressure with their front four with Ingram and Bosa. They made Mahomes dink and dunk for the most part, but he converted deep when it mattered most.

Lol! I'm glad I went through the whole thread now.

Mahomes wasn’t there for 2 of them and has been injured for a huge chunk of the season in general. Personally it felt to me like Andy Reid tried to protect him in a lot of those games with a shorter passing game, due to multiple OL who were missing from the lineup and the fact Patrick was banged up. He looks a lot healthier right now and the OL is much healthier now, so we will see what that means for the big game.

This will be the first game with a healthy Mahomes, healthy Hill, healthy Fisher that is played in warm weather since when? I think our O could dominate this game.

I refuse to catch on. That’ll mean less lessons from you almighty one.

How much of your playbook do you think has been opened up? Needing to come back from the 24 point deficit seems like you all put a lot on tape.

All these trolls were obviously 49ers fans since the Plunkett/DeBurgh days just like they were all fans of the Warriors since the Mullen days. But now they're back to being Lakers fans and have been Lakers fans since the 80's. #BandBandBandwagonGang #AuthenticFans #StrengthInBandwagon

Nah. They didn’t run anything out of the ordinary in that process. Mahomes and the boys just kicked everyone’s ass for 3 quarters.

I highly doubt the Chiefs catch the 9ers way off guard with anything. Yeah Andy is a great offensive mind but this offense is predicated on using their speed to create space and letting Kelce win vs. anyone who tries to cover him. They aren’t reinventing the wheel at 1AD.

Maybe the reason you're not getting the reaction you're looking for, in terms of conversation, is that you're saying stuff with your Niners glasses on like its fact...

Things such as "little chance to go to his second or third read based on their pass rush ability."

Based on what? Yes, the 49ers have a good defensive line. Have you considered how KC's offensive line matches up?

The Chiefs have an excellent pass protecting OL. RT Mitchell Schwartz has been going against elite LE for years and has consistently won those matchups and limited those players.

Khalil Mack, Von Miller, and Joey Bosa ... nonimpact guys against KC with Mahomes under center. Miller and Mack have sacks against KC in that timeframe - and a grand total of 2.5 in 6 games played - but not when lined up on their traditional left side, against Schwartz. Bosa has never sacked Patrick Mahomes.

Eric Fisher is a good LT and is particularly good against finesse rushers like Dee Ford. If you put a power guy on him, he can be leveraged with the bull rush on occasion. James Harrison owned his soul, specifically. Arik Armstead lined up on Fisher actually is probably San Francisco's best matchup against these two; does he line up much on the right side for you? He's been LE every game I've watched this year (5-6).

The interior of the Chiefs' OL isn't special, especially in the run game, but it does a good job in the passing attack. The one time since Mahomes became QB that pressure was a REAL probably was facing off against Aaron Donald last year. DeForest Buckner is a star, but he isn't Aaron Donald when it comes to interior pass rushing. He's not even close to the best interior pass rusher playing in the Super Bowl (that guy wears #95 for KC).

The 49ers front four is good, no doubt. But expecting them to win so consistently and easily against KC that Mahomes is limited to first reads is silly - because it isn't based in fact.

Gangbangninergang is the Joe Buck of 49er trolls.

I don’t think they had to do anything too crazy. The Texans did not stop them in 1st quarter. Receivers were open and kept dropping the ball on 3rd down. The “comeback” happened so quick in the 2nd quarter that I am not sure Reid felt any pressure to pull out special plays.

not much, probably. the only difference from the texans/titans games versus early in the season is that mahomes can move around a lot better outside of the pocket.

improved red zone efficiency is the key beneficiary of this

If we win, am I still allowed back or will I get banned?

Follow up: Since you're expecting your DEs to contain the edge (while still generating pressure), I assume you don't expect Dee Ford to play?

Because we all know how effective Dee is at setting the edge ...

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They brought out some of the more creative red zone stuff that they haven't used much of this year. And started using a lot more of the jet-sweep actions that they had been extremely successful with in 2018 and had largely shelved for most of this season.

But something tells me that Andy isn't sitting at home right now thinking "well shit - after 20 years of being the most innovative offensive mind in football, I'm finally plum out of ideas..."

And it won't be reinventing the wheel, but it'll be a wrinkle off some of those short yardage concepts they showed this week and last. The trick isn't that Andy couldn't show anything to get here - it's that by not showing it during the regular season, he hasn't shown his counter.

Congrats - you may figure out how to deal with what Reid did to the Texans inside the 10. But because he hadn't been doing that yet this year, you DON'T know how he's going to respond to your counter-punch. That's been the key benefit to holding this stuff back. Andy is ALWAYS setting up the next move and by not having to play his hand for most of the regular season, you don't know what card he has up his sleeve yet.

Andy's gonna be fine...

Supposedly, the Texans had a great front 4 that was going to pressure Mahomes- they were gassed at the end and ineffective most of the game.

Titans were supposed to be run stuffers and Physical, but Mahomes had up to 9 seconds to throw on some plays and they never touched his jersey.

Big boy Bosa has never done shit against the Chiefs and I doubt his little queer brother will do much either.

At least a half dozen of the plays that Andy ran to regain the lead were from previous seasons. For instance, the first play of the 90-yard drive, Pat throws to Kelce and HOU is called for DPI was from a playoff game in 2016, IIRC. The only reason I know that is because I happened to review that game just a couple days before the game, so I recognized it. That pass was actually designed to go to the RB, but Pat saw the PI and threw it at Kelce to draw attention to it.

There were several others I recognized from other games, but I couldn't tell you for certain which ones were brand new.

Andy always has about 10-15% new plays for every game. He also has a "Super Bowl" playbook that apparently has dozens of plays that never been run except in practice. According to Steve Mariucci anyway.

Not that it matters that much. Andy's plays always have stems. He lines up a play and runs it one way in a game, then weeks later he lines up the same play but now everyone runs different routes, or the rush goes a different way. He definitely has favorites; there's an RB pass play that he runs . . . often, I guess. I've seen him run it in the Lions game this year, and against HOU. And a couple other times during this season, but I can't remember specifically which games.

Of Andy Reid's playbook? Like 1%.

We didn't run anything we haven't been running all year or last year. The Titans did steal one of our less frequently used plays, so I guess they showed that one.

Is this some kind of gay gang rape in the 49ers bathroom?

Their entire team is gay and all their fans, but I didn't think they resorted to gay on gay violence.

Niner fans are thinking that four games against two quarterbacks boasting some of the highest sack %s bodes well for them in a game versus Mahomes.

Mahomes has only been sacked 17 times this year with Cam Erving playing turnstile for part of the season. Kyler and Russell have been sacked 48 times each

Seriously, him staying in the pocket means his protection is holding. Yes that’s it, give him time to carve you up, that’s the ticket!!ONE1!!

According to who?

I mean c'mon, let's be fair here. Most people knew full well that the Texans had struggled all season to generate a pass rush and had an iffy (at best) secondary. As for the 'run-stuffing' Titans - folks largely hand-waived that because who cares? The Chiefs don't run the football.

C'mon - this is NOTHING like the Texans or Titans games. Those defenses were drawing dead. The 49ers front 4 most assuredly isn't. It'll be the best DL we've played this year, Ravens and Patriots included.

The biggest thing to point out on the 49ers is that they are a heavy zone team in the secondary and you just cannot play zone against this team. Mahomes will dissect it. The Niners benched their CB2 and their CB1 has absolutely no prayer of hanging in man against any of our WRs. They know they'll have to disguise looks and hope to fool Mahomes w/ some sort of exotic zone looks.

But I don't see it happening. Kid's seeing the game in slow-motion right now and I don't see anyone fooling him.

This is a dumb question. Gameplans change week-to-week based on the opponent. There isn't some secret stack of surefire winning plays kept behind "break in case of emergency" glass. Teams use the best stuff they got every week, based on the opponent.

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Y'know, I'd ordinarily agree with you.

But Reid's a different cat, man. If someone said "oh no, Andy has about 10 plays he's been working on over the course of the last decade that he KNOWS will work and refuses to use them unless it's in a conference championship game or SB...." I would totally believe him.

Reid's just unique. I could absolutely see him having a 'secret stack of surefire winning plays' that he keeps tucked away like Coach Klein's playbook.

Where does this narrative come from that the 49ers have this completely dominant defense? Since week 9 they've given up roughly 26 points a game, so roughly half a season. Yes they've been decent in the playoffs against Minnesota and Green Bay, but neither Minnesota or Green Bay is better than league average on offense. New Orleans has roughly similar offensive firepower to KC and look what they did to that vaunted defense.

And as far as their offense goes, they're a better version of the Titans. Through 2 postseason games Garoppolo has 208 yards and 1 TD/1 INT. They've gotten by with dominant running. IFFFFFFF we can slow down the run game they're not that explosive. Double Kittle and sell out to stop the run. I'm not saying this is an easy game but SF isn't this behemoth the media has made them out to be.

I don’t need Andy Reid to tell me what a big part of the game plan is going to be, especially early on. There will be plenty of screen passes, a few at least. They did it against SFs hyperaggressive front last year and I expect no different now that their rush is even more dangerous. They have to slow that rush down just a tick and Andy know that.

Their best hope is flood the zones and get pressure with their front 4.

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Niners run a Wide 9 scheme with the front four with Bosa on the outside and Ford on the inside of the strong side. Bosa has been making fools of Pro-Bowl tackles all year. This has been the biggest success for the D-line and if your interior line is lacking, Dee and Buck could have huge days.

JJ Watt! That is all the media talked about. They were sure he was going to dominate. Instead, he was gassed. The point was- our running game has been carving them up when it counts. The jet sweeps have been huge, plus they have to account for Mahomes burning them with his legs now.

49ers will get some pressure with their front for, but I don't think they can cover Hill deep or will have an answer for Kelce gutting them in the middle. Our Oline has been playing out of their minds as well.

How are they going to counter Williams catching passes out of the backfield? You can't sleep on this guy at all. They try to blitz, Mahomes will dump off to Williams, who can take it to the house.

The last 2 Defensive Coordinators retired after facing us- I have serious doubts the 49ers are going to shut us down.

What I heard on ESPN (I think) was that in recent weeks SF got like 5-6 guys Back from injury, most of those being on defense. So even though their stats for the last 6 weeks or so of the season make them a bottom tier defense, those numbers aren't representative of what their defense is right now.

They did stone Cook. Which killed the Vikings O. But we know how average that Vikings OL really is. But from the bits of the game that I saw, the SF DL is legit. They are very fast and well-coached.

You’re going to see a Hardman screen for a TD.

Don't say I won't give you what you want.

I have watched the Niners play multiple times this year. Generally to root for losses to improve the Chiefs' second round pick in the upcoming draft. Whoops on that one.

This is a franchise - and especially this message board - that has seen every type of game manager possible. We may not be able to tell you exactly what a game manager is, but we know one when we see one. Garoppolo is one.

He's a good one - upper end. Similar to Jared Goff or Alex Smith during his days with Andy Reid (2017 Alex Smith is a good comparison with the dynamic run game and huge weapons at WR and TE). He's a top 10-15ish QB in the NFL.

But he doesn't scare people because we haven't seen him succeed at a high level when things are not lined up for him. Lots of QBs can look good with dynamic playcalling and weapons.

KC has also done really well - its best, actually - in its matchups with less mobile QBs, the category Garoppolo would fall into. Spagnuolo is creative at blitzing from anywhere/everywhere and disguising it very effectively.

This has worked against veteran QBs who are masters at diagnosing and shifting protection - guys like Tom Brady and Philip Rivers. That bodes well for making it worse against a more green QB like Garoppolo.

First, let me clarify something: There are no similarities between Lamar Jackson and Patrick Mahomes, except for winning the MVP in their first full season as NFL starters. Jackson is a dynamic QB, but he's run first and needs to have specific circumstances to be effective as a passer.

That's not Mahomes. Russell Wilson is the best comparison, though Mahomes has more arm, if less perfect touch on his deep ball (Wilson does it best).

Imagine, for a second, that Russell Wilson, instead of Tyler Lockett and DK Metkalf and a bunch of dudes off the street, had played you this year with Tyreek Hill, Sammy Watkins, Mecole Hardman, and Travis Kelce. And then upgrade his OL several notches. And then throw in a RB who is a really dangerous receiver out of the backfield (Damien Williams).

Oh, and instead of having a conservative, unimaginative offense, imagine that it was called by one of the most creative, innovative offensive minds in the NFL in the past 25 years.

How would those 49/Seahawks matchups have gone?

This is a good point. How disciplined the Chiefs remain in the face of all the motion and window dressing the 49ers use is a critical matchup.

Frank Clark and Suggs are very disciplined at E and will do their jobs. Guys like Mike Pennel and Derrick Nnadi have done the same at DT/NT. Chris Jones has really improved in this area up front and has done a better and better job as the year has gone on of being dynamic while also maintainig his gaps.

The key/question is going to be at LB. That's an area where Reggie Ragland has been really good and hit his keys/responsibilities. Hitchens and Wilson have not been as consistent.

Ragland's insertion into the starting lineup and heavy use replacing Darron Lee has been a real key for the Chiefs improved run defense. That, along with Pennel playing heavily on early downs, has been a big part of the Chiefs improved run D.

Final point I'll make here: KC has the personnel to run something similar to what the Patriots did to the Rams (6-1). And even in that set could still be creative in only sending 4-5 and being unpredictable with it.

Thanks. Honestly, the deficits that have come in the Chiefs two playoff games have been more about the Chiefs' mistakes than what the defenses around them have been doing.

The first two drives against Houston ended on third-down drops that would have been easy conversions (Third drive was a legit stop, but that was the only one Houston had all game until clock-killing time).

Same with Tennessee. The first two stalled drives were both due to drops on 3rd (one by Kelce, one by Hill).

The 49ers will be more effective in actually earning stops than either of those teams were, IMO.

We have not been at full strength from Oct 31 until the Vikings game. We had Ford, Tart, and Alexander out. They are now all healthy. That is why there was a dip in stats then and why we have been effective in the last two games.

IFFFFF you can figure out how to stop the run is the biggest question. It seems simple with an 8 man box, but with the motions and zone block schemes (plus the mentality of everyone on O) they are like a rubix cube to figure out on the fly.

They're not gonna blitz. That's the point.

I'm not saying they're some dominant defense without any holes - but they have the ONE thing that can slow this offense down and that's the ability to get pressure with 4.

And while their zone looks will leave gaps, they have a nice athletic young 3-down backer in Fred Warner that can do just enough to cover up the middle to make things complicated IF they're getting to Mahomes fairly early. That will allow those zone coverages to survive for a bit.

Styles make fights and the 49ers defense is as well situated to slow us down as anyone. Not to shut us down, but to create some negative plays and a stumble or two.

Things have a tendency to snowball one direction or the other in the SB and that's my only real worry here. A couple of big plays early by one of the fast HBs the 49ers have, or a catch and run by Kittle or a broken coverage that lets Samuel bust one off and with a bobble early forced by Bosa, Armstead, Buckner or Ford...things could turn south.

I'm just saying don't whistle past the graveyard. The 49ers are easily the best team we've faced since Baltimore and they're playing better right now than Baltimore was at that time. This will be (rightfully so), the Chiefs toughest challenge of the year.

OH. MY. GOD.

They run a 9-wide scheme!!!

Andy's never seen that before, has he????

I mean, he's only been in the league for over 30 years, and coached against every team in the league multiple times, there's no way he could've seen a 9-wide, is there???

Actually, what am I thinking? Dee Ford is part of that scheme, and he can't spell "9."

We're good.

Do I think we will see plays in Super Bowl that we haven't ever seen before? YES

Do I think Reid, or any other coach, holds onto plays they KNOW will wreak havoc on a defense, just because they MIGHT make it to Super Bowl someday? NO - that is ridiculous

Reid will be drawing up brand new plays tailored specifically for the Niners defense all of this week.

The homophobic posts in this thread are a really bad look. SMH

We can always just run the ball at Dee Ford. He can pass rush, but we know he can't stop the run.

Or Pat can just throw INTs because he lines up in the neutral zone anyway...

It's the low hanging fruit. Im sure 90% of the people in here aren't really homophobic. It's all an act for the internet toughness.

It's been a year, and that one still kinda stings...

In base sets? Or passing downs? Last time I checked, Ford was playing primarily passing downs, about 1/3 of snaps.

Which Pro Bowl tackles would you say Bosa has made fools of? Brian Bulaga? The guy in Carolina who gave up 1/3 of Bosa's sacks in the regular season is JAG.

KC's interior line isn't physical in the run game. It's pretty strong in pass protection, unless lined up against Aaron Donald.

If the 49ers try to run a 4-man front with Dee Ford lined up on the inside, KC is going to run right at him. A lot. And really like it's chances of success in those situations.

I think a lot of folks are REALLY underestimating how well this offense is playing right now. And by 'this offense' I mean Patrick Mahomes.

They punted 3 times against TN. Once was because of the Kelce drop on 3rd down and it was the first drive of the game. The 2nd was the first drive out of the half and it was because of a Hill drop on 3rd down. The last was in garbage time when they were just trying bleed the clock.

In the Texans game they punted 4 times. 2 were because of drops by Kelce and Robinson, a 3rd in garbage time up 20. ONE came because of a rough drive and Mahomes trying to force a pass in to Tyreek Hill.

In 2 games there has been ONE drive that simply didn't work. In that span they had streak of 7 consecutive TD drives - 8 consecutive scoring drives (that's still unreal to even type) and a streak of 5 touchdowns in 6 drives.

49er fans - you haven't seen this. I know you keep trying to say "well we've faced [X] this year and they're a lot like the Chiefs because [Y]..."

No they aren't. Whatever mad-lib set of answers you have for why you think your defense has faced a test that even BORDERS on what this offense is doing can just be tossed out the window. Right now the only thing that slows this offense down is some sort of self-inflicted wound. If they execute, they're almost certainly going to score and it's almost certainly going to be 7.

The Chiefs offense is a machine of focus, commitment, sheer will. It will come for you and you will do nothing. Because you can do nothing.

I agree....but this isn't actual homophobia...its juvenile, pubescent, locker room talk. I bet half the guys that make those remarks have gay friends. I wouldn't let it fly in RL....but here? Just sophomoric humor.

Or more likely, he has planted the seeds of plays the last few weeks so they are on film. The defense will recognize certain looks and counter, except he has Mahomes change the second part of the play to a completely new look they are not ready for.

Like you guys say... context.

9ers have been injured the back half of the schedule that’s why the dip in stats. Finally got fully healthy vs Vikings.

Damn....beat me by 8 minutes!

Chris Simms did a deep dive on the Chiefs offense on his recent post game pod. Specifically Mahomes. He's just locked in. If the 9ers don't get pressure with 4 quickly, he'll carve them up. It doesn't matter what they do on the back end.

Thread Winner. {Drops mic}

It saddens me that you wouldn’t let it fly IRL but are more than ok participating here. Believe it or not, there is some gay posters in your forum and I bet they don’t appreciate it.

But since it’s “locker room talk” y’all get the green light to be homophobic and racist (nothing racist was said, just using it as an example of were is the line drawn).

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Just replace "It was John Wick's car they stole" with "The Chiefs offense is healthy and Mahomes is rolling".

DC's know.

At least a handful more of 'em this week...