calm the **** down, it's the NFL you ain't winning every game. The Bengals were bad enough for long enough that they've acquired good players with top draft picks and now they are pretty good. Outside of trading up for Mahomes, we haven't had any of that in a decade.

10 points. 10 freaking points combined for our 3 losses. Hell that could be some kind of record for Mahomes, each loss is probably an average of 3.5 points or some shit they just haven't flashed that stat on TV yet and it's probably some record.

Chill and hope it doesn't happen in the playoffs

43 passes to 16 runs when you’re up 27-0 with the ball and 37 minutes left in the game.

Reminds me of the Indy debacle. It’s terrifying

Luckily our Quarterback is elite enough to make that not much of an issue on most games.

That was not the case before, and that was clear.

Andy Reid scares the ever-loving shit out of me

You better be careful, or The Fandom Gatekeepers are gonna get you.

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You better be careful or else I'm going to kick your ass at the George Brett statue.

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To be fair Andy has always been a pass first HC and even more so with Mahomes. Up to that point they were moving the ball at will and Mahomes was putting on a clinic. I will say that he should have started rushing more when Pat started throwing INTs to slow the game down some and regain momentum.

ROFL

The timing of the turnovers killed us. I think this game is almost entirely on Patrick. Turnovers and the Broncos getting the ball after alf time allowed them to climb back into the game. Same shit happened with Jacksonville.

Yup - this was an odd game and I really don't understand it at all.

On one of those 3rd and 1 plays they had 6 guys in the box and we still threw the ball. I mean c'mon - you have to have something to attack that.

That game just felt stubborn to me. But like I said in the game thread, I wondered if he wasn't experimenting on drop-8 coverage in a game that felt like we could turn things off/on at will.

I completely agree with criticism of his approach this week - it really didn't make a lot of sense to me. Credit to the Broncos for making great plays on the first 2 turnovers, but man - we just kept making it possible for them.

I still don't understand how Mahomes is not calling more plays or even calling more audibles at the LOS like Peyton Manning did. For all of the "smart" and "photographic memory" claims, It doesn't seem like the Chiefs are taking much advantage.

Because it's Andy Reids offense...I saw a stat the other day about the teams that were in no huddle the least amount this year it was us, SF and I forgot the 3rd but all 3 teams were Offensive HC's that want total control of everything that happens.

How's Mahomes treat RPOs?

He ALWAYS shades to pulling the ball and throwing, right?

So why do you expect he'd be any different pre-snap when it comes to whether to audible or not?

If this team is going to run it, it has to come from up top. Give Mahomes the choice and he's going to want the ball in his hands.

I can agree with that perspective.

We're a passing team with the best QB in the league, we win at a nearly 80% clip. Every now and then things don't go your way it happens.

But this idea that when we have a lead we should turn into this ground n pound ball control offense is pretty bad, that isn't what this team is built for at all.

Everyone seems to forget this is suppose to be our down year, we're top 5 in the league in rookie snaps, we have a ton of 1st and 2nd year players. Multiple other teams went all in for this year and here we are still sitting right at the top of the AFC, this team has honestly overachieved from what was expected before the season.

Yes which is why I think having Mahomes amplifies Reid’s tendencies even more.

I agree with that, but in the above example and in scenarios where defenses are dropping 8... I think we need to run the ball more (especially when it's working) until the defense commits to stopping it. This in turn opens up the pass...

To me, I can picture a Square Peg Trying to be fit in a Round hole... and Mahomes just hits the Peg so hard that it actually penetrates.
Until it doesn't.

There's a difference between being a ground and pound team like the Titans running into 8 man boxes and simply recognizing what the defense is DARING you to do.

I'm almost always the first guy to say '**** the running game' - but yesterday it was the right answer. And when we ran, we ran well for the most part. Pacheco was especially effective.

Look at Denver's defense before that first interception. We should have been running the ball there.

They should have, but Mahomes was feeling it. Hard to blame them for not running it when they were moving it so easily and efficiently in the air. In hindsight because of the INT they should have run it. At the time though I highly doubt anyone thought he would finish the game with three INTs in a game that was far closer than it ever should have been.

if it had worked and the Chiefs scored 45 to the Broncos 9, we would all be loving it today... Who knows? Maybe our RB crew got a little banged up. Neither of our backs are what I would call big. It was working and Mahomes is going to keep firing the ball.

Again, the defensive collapse is much more concerning... Which only appeared to be a collapse as the final stats aren't terrible. Red Zone is the problem; teams seem to score TDs almost every time where the Chiefs have been settling for FGs.

Andy is an offensive genius, but how the Chiefs came out of HT and went 3-and-out two or three times in a row was pretty bad. After throwing the defense under the bus in the 2nd quarter, and seeing how gassed they were after the first DEN drive of the 3rd, he really needed to put together a long, sustained drive to give his defense a rest. And he didn't. In fact, twice in a row to start the 2nd half he allowed the offense to go three-and-out back-to-back. By the time the Chiefs offense finally put together a long drive, the defense was on a 80+ snap game.

I rarely have any issues with the gameplan coming out for the 2nd half, but that one was a true stinker. Can't do that again against a real team like CIN.

Yup. I'm never that guy, but I was yesterday. Run the ball. Big lead + effective Pacheco = Run the damn ball.

I mean, I don't think anyone would have been opposed to it at that point.

27-0 with 3 minutes left in the 2nd quarter against an anemic offense. At that point, it's time to bleed the clock and try to get out of there with minimal injuries.

We ever get a four TD lead again, I hope we shift to like 75:25 run:pass ratio.

Given how Pacheco was gashing them, it's more than justified.

5th in rushing YPA under center

chris meck for OC

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LOL!

I'm really only saying we should A)run it enough to keep them out of light boxes and dropping 7 and 8, and
B)Maybe when you're up 27-0 and gashing them at 6 or 7 yards a pop, you should just eat clock, chew up yards, and physically demolish the opposition.

Like maybe 60/40 or something would be a good balance.

Of course, we might have to run it a bunch for a few games to get people to back off on the light box shit. Then it'd be BOMBS AWAY!

It'd pay off in the end, I promise.

Tomorrow will be the 10th anniversary of the Eagles firing Andy Reid. Thanks to the Philadelphia Eagles, and thank you Andy Reid for agreeing to become Big Red.

Remember when the helicopter was following his car arrive from the airport when he came to KC?

Clark bringing along Fat Scott for the interview with Andy Reid and then firing his fatass was a BOSS move.

We are all some lucky bastards/bitches. Just needed to post that. Andy Reid keeps doing Andy Reid things, and here we are once again hosting the Arrowhead Invitational for the 5th time in a row.

But, and here's the really magic bit: he makes it fun to watch. He blows our minds on the regular, people. He does it so often, that we're actually kind of disappointed when he doesn't show us a magic trick.

And they are magic tricks, not 'trick plays,' because they work in spectacular fashion, nearly every time. We have the world's greatest magic-show maker, a wizard if you will, and the world's greatest magician running the show.

We're living the dream, Andy. Thanks Big Red.

andy is art

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The NFC's final four are 1-8 vs Andy

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It was fun to watch and it worked, but it came very close to being a loss on the play. But fun it was..

Was just checking something else out earlier and realized that Andy, if he wins 12 games a year could pass up Shula in under 7 years. Since the Patriots are not good anymore he is also closing the gap on Belechick. Unbelievable.

Only one coach has won 10 or more playoff games with two franchises.

Andy Reid.

LEGEND

Just basking in the glory

The 98 yard TD drive with Henne as he first entered the game was a masterpiece. Outstanding play calling.

Truly one of his best coaching moments

Andy Reid has tied the legendary Tom Landry with 20 playoff wins in his career.

Hat's off, Big Red!!!!

Can we get that sack of **** Wilson out of Andy's OP?

This needs to be said. I love the fact that Andy told Patrick, 'you're not going back in the game until you go back and get an X-ray." A lot of HCs would let their star QB go back in the game if he said he wanted to go back in with so much on the line. But Andy showed his heart and his fundamental decency, and held his ground, when a lot of people would've been all too happy to send him back in without that X-ray.

That's my head coach.
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The dude had Chad Henne pass on the first play of that drive from the two! Who does that?!!! Guy is unreal. Has trust in his players and it set the tone for the drive.

It's kinda strange how DCs now can not handle a backup QB. It's like film study is a wheeled walker needed to make it to the bathroom

Andy Reid is one of the few coaches with the guts to veto his star qb

It not only speaks to doing the right thing. It also speaks to his ability and confidence to get the job done with everyone else.

He’s always been that way. He knew he could find ways to win with any detmer or AJ deeply too.

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After tonight's win Reid passed Tom Landry for 2nd all time in playoff wins. Only Belichick has more.

An even more wild stat is that Reid now has 11 playoff wins with the Chiefs. That alone would put him in a tie with a bunch of people, including a few current coaches, for 10th all time. Belichick is the only current coach with more than 11 playoff wins.

Ya'll were ready to nail Reid for challenging that 4th and 1, and then punting the game away, weren't you?

Both times, his faith in his players paid off.

No, but I am pissed that he kept running it up the middle on 1st down in the 4th quarter, which ended up putting us on 3rd & long every time.

And, honestly, not running the ball and taking the clock to the 2 minute warning in the first half was kinda FN stupid too, and gave the Bengals time to score.

Reid and Mahomes are the best thing to ever happen to the Chiefs, but Reid has a history of losing playoff games after having double digit leads, and it's almost always because of his offensive play calling.

He is a legendary coach, but he isn't perfect.

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Nice thread about KC coaching. EVERYONE SHOULD READ THIS, IMO.

https://www.twobillsdrive.com/commun...andle-bengals/

LMAO You're "pissed" about Andy's decisions? It's amazing how many people here not only know more about NFL offense than Andy et al., but they know so MUCH more that Andy's decisions make them angry. LMAO

Meanwhile, Shanahan throws a QB back onto the field with a completely torn UCL despite the player already telling him he's not good to go at all.

If it's been posted, sorry for Q:

Andy did an amazing job of working around the losses of JJSS, Hardman, Toney, and Watson during the game. There had to be large chunks of the gameplan that kind of went out the window as those losses piled up. Particularly after JJSS and Toney went down. But true to his own mantra, he just kept firing with the guns he had, as opposed to the guns he brought, and found ways to make it work.

We are truly blessed to have Andy Reid as our HC.

Say it, bro. Say the two words that are guaranteed to out you for being a giant dumbass.

"Clock management"

Say it.

Great read.

You know, they sound a bit like Chiefs fans when our defense was being 'led' by Sutton, imo. Especially the one poster that was complimenting Spags creativity and unpredictability with his gameplan and adjustments, vs. their own DC's vanilla approach.

Though a couple of them were whining about their DC's use of Tampa/Cover-2 . . . a primary part of Spags defense, so maybe they aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer.

But again, a very interesting read just in terms of perspective.

Thx for posting.

In his defense, they were down to their 4th string QB. The only other option was CMC at QB. They don’t run the wildcat so they probably had no plays to call out of that mold.

I’ll give Shanahan some grace. He’s brought that team to three NFCCGs in four years. If he ever wins a Super Bowl I think he’ll finally get respect as a top 5-8 coach.

Reminds me of our loss to the Pats in the AFCCG.

I think some people were legitimately calling for Andy's head at that point, thinking he was going to waste Mahomes prime years. All it took was Spags and another year to right the ship.

I think they really do miss Daboll. Allen took that next step with Daboll, and is now back to relying on his physical traits and talent to win games rather than skill at the QB positon.

Running on 1st down wasn't very effective, true, but honestly what else did we have left? We literally were running out of WR's, we had MARCUS KEMP out there in the last 5 minutes of the AFCCG. We didn't have much of a gameplan left.

andy's ****ing locked in

holthus asked him a question about his wife being from arizona on the kingdom show tonight and he changed the subject to football in 5 seconds

I hope Andy does the same thing to his wife when she tries to tell him some stupid story about her day.

“Andy, you aren’t going to believe who I saw at the store!”

“Yeah, so uhhh…anyway. This Reddick kid is good. Could give us problems. I have a couple ideas about how to slide protection to make it work. Time’s yours.”

Whenever I hear Andy talk, the slightest thing he says has HUGE meaning.

Nothing is obvious with him. But that was.

Marcus Kemp proved once again that Andy "can scheme a receiver open in a phone booth", even if Marcus Kemp is said receiver!

3 Super Bowl appearances in 4 years.

Good lord we are spoiled.

I know that can't be a direct quote.

Because he'd have said "and with that, time's yours..."

But that's a big "if". Shanahan has done nothing in his SB appearances but shit the bed (1x as an OC and 1x as a HC).

Hard to kill him over yesterday but I bet he'd love to have thrown the challenge flag on the Smith play and since he is so involved with the offensive game plan, you would think he had to be aware that they had a play early on in the game where the design was to let their 2nd string TE block one of the season's best outside pass rushers 1 v 1, which led directly to Purdy being knocked out. Also, why the **** is he having CMC (an at worst top 5 non QB in the league) throwing passes down 20 something with 4 minutes left in the game? Can you imagine if McCaffrey suffered a bad injury that messed with his '23 season on that play? Just dumb.

They weren't wrong about our willingness to use our rookie corners to play press coverage. The Bills fairly consistently played off and let the Cinci WRs do whatever they wanted.

What if…Andy rides off into the sunset after beating the Eaglebirds. Who is his successor?

They kind of had to, right? Quite a bit harder to play press man in heavy snow.

Kafka

Patrick Manning

Don't put that evil on us.

Imagine Sean Payton lmfao.

No doubt that punt was the right call. With how much the offense struggling there was no guarantee they would have converted it. Had they failed, Cincinnati would have been in a good position for a game winning FG. By punting they at least forced the Bengals to have to drive the length of the field to win. Imagine had he gone for it, we don’t convert and the Bengals took the rest of the game to kick a game winning FG. People would have blown their tops because he chose to go for it.

I think most would have forgiven him, because, Mahomes.

At the end of the game in Cincy, Andy did not put his faith in Patrick.

And people here CRUCIFIED him for it. Myself included.

Andy didn't let his past dictate his present, he played the scenario given to him, perfectly.

And doubled down on Skyy.

the only way to blow double digit leads is to get them often. and andy reid gets them ALL THE TIME.

2013 - led by 28 vs colts
2015 - led by 30 vs texans
2017 - led by 18 vs titans
2018 - led by 17 vs colts
2019 - led by 20 vs texans; led by 18 vs titans; led by 11 vs 49ers
2020 - led by 16 vs browns; led by 23 vs bills
2021 - led by 28 vs steelers; led by 18 vs bengals
2022 - led by 10 vs jaguars; led by 10 vs bengals

so while many franchises haven't even been able to win a playoff game over the last decade, andy has not only won a shit load of games, he's taken double digit leads in THIRTEEN OF THEM!

and yes, he's blown some of them. so what.

five afc title game hosts, three super bowl appearances. sit back and enjoy the ride.

Yeah, according to those posters in that thread, Frazier does not play man much at all. Spags was kind of coaxed into playing a lot of press man because of the plain fact that he had a handful of young/inexperienced DBs, and what they did best by a wide margin was play man. At the beginning of the year, our young secondary was getting torched whenever they played zone, so it made a lot of sense to gameplan a lot of man coverage.

But one of the many things really like about Spags is that he didn't simply throw up his hands and give up on playing zone, just because the early results showed that the secondary was really porous when playing zone. He kept coaching up his unit, kept calling zones, and gave his guys tons of opportunities to fail/succeed and learn from their mistakes over the course of the season.

And now they're able to play zone coverages much better than before, which opened up the playbook for Spags, allowed him call a much more unpredictable game and kept QBs/OCs from getting too comfortable.

And now this is a secondary whose weaknesses have shrunk considerably and are now a strength of the defense and definitely not a weakness.

And all of that started with Spags believing in and coaching up his players regardless of how they struggled initially, even when a lot of the sports reporting media and fanbase didn't.

Honestly, it's probably why his defenses continue to improve during the season every year. He's always playing the long game to get the most out of the talent he has in any given year.

Agreed. You know, now that I think about it, it's almost like Spagnuolo has done this DC thing before with some degree of success, doesn't it?:)

Andy is a teacher first and foremost. I'm guessing Spags and Merritt are largely the same.