Yeah, it really was.

It's why I've always enjoyed watching Brady. HIS delivery, mechanics, everything is always in sync.

Greg Maddux like

He had over 200 yards rushing in 2013. Which is a hell of a lot more than Alex is going to have this year.

You were talking like Foles was Drew Bledsoe. He's not close.

I can tell you that I am not "one of them."

as for the rest, I tried.. We'll just let it go. Not worth the further time spent.

He's talking about athleticism over correcting throwing mechanics or moreso, throwing from different angles and being able to be accurate.

Anyone got the A22 of these?

Lets gif them all up...

I think west slipped on that play, personally..at least thats what it looked like live to me. West is a fast mother****er...if he didnt slip on that play I think it wouldve been OK. But i could be wrong.

The other two I would need to look at again, and would love to if someone can post up the A22

3.9 YPC get you hard, does it?

If he wants to be a successful player, he'd better start playing like he's Drew Bledsoe because he doesn't have the athletic talent to play fast and loose. Besides, aren't you the fella that just said that 2013 is too long ago to worry about w/r/t Alex Smith?

The difference between a 24 yr old with few miles on him and a 27 yr old with another hundred hits on him is going to be pretty stark.

He had at least 2 chances to use his legs to extend a drive yesterday and both times he looked caught in between. He isn't a fluid athlete and if he keeps trying to play with erratic mechanics, he's going to continue to struggle with his accuracy.

Exactly.

Those clips show you a dude with long legs that can cover some ground if he has to. But that play when he stumbles and kinds falls into a dive/slide? Or the play where he flips ass over tea-kettle? Those show exactly what I'm talking about; he's simply not a naturally athletic person like the QBs that are able to overcome inconsistent mechanics.

He's an arm-talent guy; if he succeeds, it will be as a pure passer. And he won't succeed as a pure passer if he doesn't get that inconsistency ironed out.

And yet, he is more accurate than Smith.

He's not a pure pocket passer. He has escape ability. He can outrun linemen. You can even *gasp* read option with him.

But yes, please throw the ball. Absolutely.

I'm wondering what the Chiefs' front office has planned for Foles. Do they see him as Smith's successor when his contract expires?

If he moves on in the next few yrs, I won't be at all shocked to see him tear it up elsewhere.

I'm torn here. I like Alex Smith and would hate to see him get Kaepernicked again, but I really like everything I've seen of Foles. If we extend Smith or let Foles go before Smith's contract ends, it could end up being a major missed opportunity.

If I remember correctly, Foles floated the pass a bit high. Should have been an easy completion, but he let the ball get away from him.

That all depends...

Were they designed runs? Or was it him turning a sack into +3.9

I think youre trying too hard here, IMO. It is what it is...Alex is the starter right now..no need to wet yourself...yet.

SWSN

Well, I mean, apart from that being incorrect...

And besides, I've never crowed about Smith's accuracy either, but that gets back to Smith's general recognition of his limitations. He's not an outstanding downfield passer so he doesn't put the ball in harm's way. He's a pretty good intermediate passer, especially over the middle. When he takes his shots downfield, that's where he likes to do it. But unlike Foles, if the throw isn't in rhythm, he's not throwing it late over the middle where a miss comes back the other way.

Foles isn't an outstanding downfield passer but **** it, he's throwing it anyway. Good luck trying that against a team with a credible secondary.

There's probably a happy middle between the two but if you're picking one guy for this team, the choice should be the guy that doesn't set your defense up in tough spots and allows you to keep the football longer to utilize your running game.

Foles is a better fit for a team with a bad defense that needs to win in shootouts. He'll get hot on occasion and can go out there, feel his oats and throw with just about anyone. But he'll also take you right out of games that were easily winnable. Smith's a better fit for a team with a good defense and strong running game.

i thought west lost his footing while in the flat which prevented him from accelerating fully. the pass was floated as a timing pass, before west got to the spot where the ball wouldve landed... If west had proper footing I thought (at the time) he wouldve accelerated faster and made it to that spot.

Thats why Im asking if anyone has the a22 so we can look at west's foot work

The quarterback you're describing lost his job to Keenum. That's the kind of QB he'll continue to be if he doesn't become a pure pocket passer. He'll be an unreliable career backup and nobody in this league will entrust him with the keys to a legitimate contender.

He lacks the innate athleticism to be the kind of inconsistent passer he presently is.

Absolutely nothing. Alex Smith is their guy.

Which is why I'm hoping Alex forces their hand and retires.

You may be correct, I'm just going off memory - which could be wrong. I just remember thinking he floated it and missed an easy one.

between you and me - do you think he resembles Tom Petty's boy?

I never noticed a slip; I though Foles rushed it a bit and overheated the pass because he didn't realize he had a beat to release it.

Maybe he's right but my memory was that the ball landed OOB.

So Foles missed on a few passes. Coming off the bench and seeing actual game time for the first time in a while. And he still looked better than Smith.

I love how the Alex nut huggers want to micro-analyze every single missed throw of Foles, but don't do the same for Alex, or even acknowledge the throws that he doesn't even try to make.

Foles looked better than Smith, and Smith was having a good game. Yeah, he missed some stuff, but come the **** on.

ANd likewise you could be correct. I only saw it live, full speed and I dont think they even replayed it..but my kids were playing in the room i was in and my wife was wrangling them so I could enjoy my sunday LOL...

But anyway for SURE he couldve floated it..but at the time i remember thinking it looked like a timing pattern and thinking west lost traction or foot slipped..WOuld love to see this play again A22 style

Foles can do everything Smith does, but has a sack between his legs. Thats the difference. This team SCORES SO FEW POINTS WITH THE HIGHEST TURNOVER DIFFERENTIAL IN THE LEAGUE. That's saying something folks. And is the main reason we're winning regular season games. Not Smiths excellent throwing arm.

Time for you to pony up all that money you normally throw at CP to allow you back in, and now give it this neurologist. Hurry up. Tick tick...

What part of that was incorrect? Look at the stats. Foles completed 72.7%, Alex Smith 47.4%.

We are going to see a lot more 100+ yard receivers with Foles on this team. With the same defense. Thats a scary team folks. Bank on it

I love how the folks that can't give Smith credit for anything want to ignore the fact that playing a glorified 7 on 7 game is right in Foles' wheelhouse.

You really think that throwing balls late over the middle is a good idea against a team with any kind of secondary? Or that guys are just going to forget to pass off a simple go route from the primary read when they have any talent back there to speak of?

He did a fine job but again, you don't analyse results to predict future performance; you analyse process. Foles did some things that he wouldn't get away with against decent teams and that has to be remembered because not doing those things is pretty much the one real strength that Smith has.

If you want a fair discussion of the two, you have to also recognize the degree of difficulty.

This team has the highest turnover differential in the league because Alex Smith doesn't throw up jump balls 50 yards downfield...

Marcus. Peters.

**** man. If I had the resources I would absolutely bribe anyone to do anything legal that forced Alex Smith out of football.

Sure. He's helped.

Two. Interceptions.

That's helped a fair amount as well.

If you're going to pick a reason to dislike Alex Smith, there are a myriad of them. Citing turnover margin in support of it, however, is pretty ****ing stupid.

One of the main gripes with Alex Smith is all the times hes given up on plays. When instead they could of extended a possession instead of killing them. Foles isn't coward. The plums between his legs are indeed balls, not fruit. Let your Gronkowski-esque TE make a goddamn play once in a while. Kelce's name isn't huge because he doesn't have a competent, nutsack wielding QB.

The defense forcing a turnover is the ONLY reason Alex Smith put the ball in the end zone yesterday.

The defense LEADS THE LEAGUE in takeaways, but we were 23rd in offensive points coming into Sunday.

:facepalm:

You need to watch more football before making inane statements

Coming from you....that's hilarious.

Foles isn't Aaron Rodgers. No shit. And I don't dismiss what Alex Smith brings to this team. Foles did some things that might get him in trouble vs a good defense. Smith does a lot of things that get him in trouble vs a team with a good offense.

Smith has very limited ability to move in the pocket and still make a throw. He can't throw on the run for shit. He is a one read, check down qb and doesn't even throw to wide open guys even on the first read because he is so froggy to get to that check down. He is more likely to have a game like the one in Pitt a few weeks ago than he is to have a really good game. He is consistent. Consistently mediocre.

I'd take my chances with Foles. But we all know that ain't going to happen, because we like to stick with our shitty QBs until someone floats a banner and we go 2-14. So I just bitch on Chiefs Planet.

And how quickly we forget those 2-14 years...

Smith's one of the key differences between that team and the team that's winning 10/season, y'know...

Just because we went from the Flaming pile of trash Cassel to meh Smith doesn't mean we shouldn't keep trying to get better on offense.

And I appreciate that he has stabilized the position from what was once a sack of flaming AIDS. But he should never have been more than a stop gap.

No doubt.

I just don't think Foles is better. He's different, but he's the wrong kind of different for this team.

I fully endorsed taking a shot at Bridgewater or Lynch. I think we should constantly be looking to improve our QB situation.

I just don't think Foles improves it. He changes it, but not in a way that benefits this team as presently constructed.

Your takes are radically different here than say, your position on the 2015 Cardinals. 100 game winners, and smashed in the postseason by a more talented Cubs team.

Gotcha. That makes sense.

its really not that inane

smith has an 11 year history of being around (or just under) 200 yards per game

foles was closer to 250 (around 240?) with Philly

he had a terribad 10 or so games with the Lambs so:

You can discount the roughly 1/2 a season with the lambs or throw it in there, and either way its around 30-50 yards per game MORE than smith...

If you just look at the yards from the Phi games (similar to this offense?) and compare to JUST alex's best years in this system and ignore his 7 years in sf @ 175 yards a game and ONLY count his 4 years here with 220 yards per game...Foles STILL beats him in YPG.

We've missed on one guy over the last 4 years that would've been a guy I'd prefer to Smith and that's Carr. And frankly, I'm not convinced that Carr isn't a rich man's Foles right now; we'll see how he handles the bright lights. He's gotten his ass handed to him by a handful of good defenses to this point in his career and he's not actually been asked to win a game that matters.

That said, I do think in the near future he'll be preferable to Smith and I said that before the season started. But shit...how hard to you want to be on the organization for missing one guy? I think if Reid and crew see the right player at the right spot, they'll look to upgrade on Smith but it's hard to say at this point that they aren't interested.

WINS ARE ALL THAT MATTERS!!!!111!11!1 / blackbob

I think in the end there around the same in wins vs losses but you cant deny that one is a hella of a'lot cheaper and funner to watch.

Theres just no way I can buy this

Foles may not be all around better, but to say his style is some kind of bad fit?

Plus arm talent and a willingness to use it, is a good fit in any scheme, on any team

Doesn't matter how many misses to most of these tards. They'd be perfectly happy burning a first round pick every year of someone, ANYONE who isn't Alex Smith.

His problem is his accuracy in the short/intermediate passes and awareness. Those are 2 things Alex has on him right now.

Comparing offensive numbers from yesterday....

Snaps with Foles:

45 plays, 265 yards, 20 points

5.8 yards per play, 2.86 points per drive (not counting first drive since those points are Alex's)

Third downs: 6-12

Plays over 15 yards: 7

Snaps with Smith:

26 plays, 141 yards, 10 points,

5.42 yards per play, 2.5 points per drive (not counting last drive, since those points are Foles).

Third downs: 3-6

Plays over 15 yards: 3

How many guys have improved their accuracy at this point in heir career though?

I don't really think it's something you can really improve by that much. Scheme around, etc maybe.

Since youre so smart, how do you figure we go about replacing alex smith without burning a draft pick on someone?

I mean alex has been in the league 11-12 years...how much longer would you think we should wait? When is the last time we 'burned' a 1st round pick on a QB?

I'm all ears waiting for your genious , mind bottling answers...

I disagree.

Routinely putting a ball in harms way and an inability to consistently repeat your mechanics is a recipe for trouble against elite defenses. And when exactly did Foles develop 'plus arm talent'? He has an above average arm (elite, it ain't) and sub-standard accuracy. Again, this is the same guy that was a dink and dunk artist in College. A guy that was traded from the team he was white hot for the prior season (and had to have a 1st rounder included with him for Sam Bradford of all people). Plus arm talent? Christ, you guys want to act like he's some premier gunslinger all of the sudden.

Foles like to throw downfield...so have a lot of other quarterbacks that have shot their teams directly in the foot. For a team that relies on timing routes and horizontal passing and has been versed in that system for 3+ years now, putting a guy out there that isn't as in sync and isn't as accurate on short/intermediate throws isn't going to be beneficial against better teams and honestly won't gain you much against poorer teams in the long run.

I agree, Smith has him on the intermediate to short game... at the same time, its not like Foles is missing guys by a mile in those areas

When did Ware go down?

in Foles 3 seasons with philly (his 1st 3 in league) he was 61% accurate

In alex Smith's first 7 years in SF he was 59% accuracy

Alex smith improved to 64% with KC
alex smith has improved 5% after year 7 under this scheme (5 % improvement over his 1st 7 years)

Nick FOles is 5 years into his career.....

Just because a few people around here want to give away the farm every year on a first round QB, doesn't mean that everyone who wants to move on from Smith is an idiot.

We could have had Russell Wilson, but unlike Pete Carroll, Andy never would have started him because we just paid big money for Smith.

We could have had Dak Prescott, who seems to be doing ok in Dallas.

I'm sure there are several more. Let's not pretend that there wasn't anybody worth taking.

And I still think Foles would make us better. We don't need to give away our draft to do better than Alex Smith. The bar is not that high.

I've said for years that you have it coming out of college or you don't.

You can move within the letter but you can't change a full letter grade. A B- passer might become a B+ passer but he's not getting to an A. A C+ can get to a B- but not a B+

You can develop accuracy in the margins or perhaps disguise it through improved anticipation, but the outstanding pure passers came into the league with the biomechanics to repeat the delivery. The mediocre ones didn't and won't.

Which is to say that I expect Foles to pretty much remain who he is - a mediocre fit that's probably better playing for a shitty team where he can sling the ball around than he would be playing for a team that needs to win tight ballgames against premier defenses.

Another big reason why Andy would want Alex is probably the mismatch it creates. Every team we've played has had at least 1 LB/S spying Alex if he takes off. That's one less defender to guard Hill, Maclin or Kelce.

Plus talent is better than average, not sure why you're stuck on that in particular... I'm not acting like its elite, but you're acting like he is some kind of friggin Ty Detmer noodle launcher

But you're on a roll with this subject today, so have at it... I guess Reid drafted Foles, then brought him here because he doesnt fit the scheme

The stats prove you wrong.

Alex smith was 59% completion rate with SF in his 1st 7 years...

Adding 5% to make it 64% during 4 years in KC....under reid

59% versus 64% is like a completely different QB

So either defenses now have a spy on him at ALL TIMES during the game.....OR he's not running anymore because he can't. I'm going with the latter.

Oh **** me, do your homework if you're going to talk out your ass.

Russell Wilson pre-dated Reid by 2 years. He was a Pioli ****up. Exactly when was he there for Reid to have but/for Smith's contract? If you can't even get THAT right I'm not sure how much any of us should give a shit about your brilliant insight.

And kindly direct me to all the guys that had Prescott pegged as a sure thing. The Cowboys struck lightening but had we taken him in the 4th, people would've bitched that we didn't take a first round QB. Oh, and but/for Romo AND Kellen Moore getting injured, Prescott isn't starting right now either. There's a lot of luck that went into the Cowboys falling into Prescott. They have little more invested in him than we had in Murray, Bray or Hogan.

Completion% /= accuracy.

It's a fair proxy, but Smith's % improved because he understood timing/rhythm in the offense and became more conservative. He's no more capable of routinely putting the ball in a bucket than he ever was, he just chooses easier/smarter buckets to throw it at.

Foles has only had one season that he's had more INTs than TDs (last year with the Rams) including his rookie year on a putrid Eagles team. I don't know about all this "routinely" putting the ball in harm's way stuff. It actually looks like Foles' biggest problem is staying healthy as he has never made it through an entire season (though he was benched, not hurt, with the Rams). He has also fumbled quick a few times (13).

Why are ppl still talking about Prescott cowboys have been chiefsing it up and keep saying its still romo's job and he will start when he gets back.

I guess Reid agrees that Smith fits the scheme a lot better than Foles, afterall he invested a hell of a lot more to get Smith than he ever invested to get Foles.

Better to be right and losing then Wrong and wining should be a motto of the chiefs.

Whatever the reason he is flourishing under reid's system and he wasnt prior, except for in his last year with SF, which was only partial season and a statistical outlier.

I think you're stretching/reaching with your explanation and I absolutely think the system makes all the difference...alex smith is a good example of that as is Foles because you can look at his work with the right system for him in Philly versus his work with the Rams and its another example...

In any case its a minor point , but as completion % is the best measure of accuracy that we have currently....its clear to see that going from 59% to 64% is indeed a huge improvement in accuracy

None of that changes the fact that your assertion that Foles is a bad fit for this team is wrong

I knew this was never going to be a controversy in the first place, Reids been rolling with Smith for 3+ years now and is 15-2 in the last 17 games with him... you dont bench the guy who brought you to this point

Unless your name is Jim harbaugh and you got a big ol pair of balls.

:shake::facepalm:

It's funny for people who aren't from the bay SF fan's were literally calling in and cheering when smith lost the job to kap.

Chiefs fan's went full eeyore and didn't expect change anyways it's sad.

Do you have any idea how reeruned you sound referring to anything about the 49ers situation under Harbaugh in reference to present-day Chiefs?

Every single bit of that scenario was a fail. They got to the SB in the short term because they were already too good a team all around at that point not to. But the QB decision was a key factor in their failure there and presaged a complete dissolution of pending dynasty.

http://www.nfl.com/superbowl/story/0...ut-a-bold-move

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...ver-alex-smith

Its a common chiefs fan misconception that you think 49er fans regret that trade They don't most fan's were glad to see him go.

Hey, memba when Chrysler made the K-Car!!

http://1.images.comedycentral.com/im...e&quality=0.91

A crap owner and a power hungry GM destroyed the 49ers not Harb's there was a mass exodus of talent went harb was fired.

very

I have watched him since 2005, wife is a niners fan...

I will give credit to him for breaking the 93 curse (no playoff win since 93). He was good enough to do that. That was pretty big. We need to build on that now.

I don't have any misconceptions of their sentiments at the time.

But the plain truth is, they're been on an express train to Browns Town ever since.

This only Chiefs fan's not from Cali act like the Chiefs got the upper hand on the 49ers.

Fan's would be pissed if Alex came back right now.