Well Vick was brought in to back up Mcnabb and kolb

The situation we are in right now, trying to sell the fanbase a assistant coach is pretty damn hard to do. Not only that we aren't in a situation where we can hand the reigns over to someone that is learning on the job.

This new HC role will be someone of power. They will make decisions just as much as the GM. They will report directly to Clark, not the GM. Basically we will be hiring a GM that works hand and hand to what the HC wants. We need someone with experience to fix this mess! That is why we are after Andy Reid. Is he perfect? Hell no, but he has proven to be a winner and fits exactly the role that Clark Hunts wants in his next head coach. Unless he can convince Bill Cowher to come, your looking only at a handful of other guys capable of fitting the role described... guys like Holmgren, Gruden, Billick, etc.

Oh - Ok....

Once again, because you are a Chiefs fan, you can sit there and call out all of our holes, but i dont believe for a second that a 4-12 football team is in much better shape than a 2-16 team.

No, the Cardinals aren't much closer to competing. You of all people know that the QB makes the biggest difference, and we are in a better spot to land the top prospect.

You can't sit there and shrug off the Cardinal's needs and say they are an easy fix while saying our needs are difficult to fix, when in fact, they are just as easy to fill.

Being funny?

I said I thought they had the talent to win 10.

I confessed my mistake week 2.

We've heard what the talking heads have to say about the QB class, but I have no read on how scouts and personnel people are breaking it down.

The crux is that this draft class, as a whole, looks like it's going to be deep but not particularly top heavy. The QB class is deep, too, so it's entirely possible that the new HC/GM will believe that the guy he could reasonably get at the top of round 2 would be similar to the guy whom he could get at 1/1.

I expect a vet to be brought in, in addition to a QB in either round 1 or 2.

Well, Arians thus far has been the ONLY guy that's been linked to them. But, word is that they want a GM first, and if that GM is onboard with Arians, then he will be the guy they pursue.

Most his replies are constructed that way.

I wouldn't rule out Chicago either.

If Andy Reid is your coach, he will make it his #1 priority to get your offensive line fixed, and find your team a QB. Andy Reid doesn't mess around in those two areas.

The coaching staff he assembled this year was a joke, but when he first came here, he had one of the best coaching staffs in the NFL. All the coaches that came from his staff: Leslie Frazier, Brad Childress, John Harbaugh, Pat Shurmur, Steve Spagnuolo, etc. I'm sure in a fresh situation, he'd put a good staff together. Also, he picked Jim Johnson who was a great coordinator, and good position coaches.

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Really? So finding three starting offensive lineman is the same as finding three starting defensive lineman? Finding a RB or two late in the draft is the same as finding a #1 and #2 receiver? In which universe do you live?

Arizona can easily fill their offensive line and running back holes in one offseason. Whether it's Kolb or a second rounder or Alex Smith or Joe Flacco, the Cards are poised to reach the playoffs much more quickly than the Chiefs, which have holes everywhere along with a lack of depth.

You really think it'd be an easy road in the NFC West? You have to assume that whichever team finishes 2nd in that division is going to be a wildcard. San Francisco and Seattle own that division right now.

It's going to be a 1st round QB. To think otherwise, is overthinking it. We've all been around long enough to know how this shit works. Between now and the next few months, a Qb prospect WILL rise up the boards. It happens every year.

Everyone wants to talk about how Clark wants to put butts in the seats.

Best way to do it? Shiny new 1st round QB.

Biggest hole on the team? QB

Most important position on a team? QB.

Highest valued position in the draft? Qb.

New HC? new QB...

I mean....this isn't rocket science, people.

I see Horton getting some interest, in part because of the Rooney rule, but am doubtful he gets an offer this year. The Cards D started out on fire but it ended badly for them overall this year; players' attitudes were toxic the last couple of weeks.

I can't recall a year in which the QB position was in such a state of flux as this draft year appears to be at this point.

It seems like there's been a clear cut #1 guy each year but this year, it's just a puzzle. No one stands above the other players and no one particularly stands out, period, especially when compared to 2009 (Stafford), 2010 (Bradford), 2011 (Cam Newton) and 2012 (Luck & RGIII).

This is a really good point.

DL, CB and WR are historically tougher positions to fill.

RB's are a dime-a-dozen. Don't have to use high picks on OL either.

Once again, we find ourselves rooting for Jacksonville.

While this board would melt the **** down, hiring a big-name coach and acquiring a QB whom the general public knows, like a Flacco (should he come available), will put asses in the seats.

You think the average fan knows who Geno Smith is? I don't. Perhaps the name, but they don't know shit about the player, and they've never seen him play.

I'm looking more in terms of filling holes and competing for a WC as opposed to filling holes and competing for the division.

The Chiefs have far more holes to fill than Arizona, IMO.

WHY THE **** DID CLARK TAKE PIOLI TO ATLANTA?

The Cards don't stand a chance of making the playoffs anytime soon. The 49ers are the best team in the NFC, the Seahawks have a very good young team with a good GM and the Rams are looking very good for where they are.

I wouldn't be surprised if every team in that division, except Arizona, wins 8 or more games next season.

We only have Denver. Raiders and Chargers are toast if we get Reid and the AFC is weaker than the NFC both now and in the future. Brady and Manning have like 2 or 3 years left and Ravens are quickly falling.

You're going to all caps a response to a Fescoe tweet? This guy can't even wipe his own ass.

:rolleyes:

Thanks. I wish some of the other poster here would stop arguing and ask you some more questions.

Cam Newton was not thought of as the #1 overall pick this soon before the draft.

Thanks for your input, King Dipshit.

Not by fans. That's for sure.

Fans thought it might be Clausen, but we saw how scouts viewed him.

Eh, you're probably right. He hadn't even won the national championship yet.

:D

But, you do understand my point that it's a jumbled mess right now regarding this class of QB's?

Sounds like he was hoping to drop him off.

Just making a point.

No one knows WHY Pioli went on that trip or to what degree IF ANY he was involved.

Yet everyone is about to pass out from the loss of period blood.

Occam's ****ing razor. Buyout. Some really smart people are ignoring common sense and saying some really stupid shit today.

If Reid falls through, and Pioli is still here come February - then Clark's made it easy on everyone - walk away.

I get your point.

But I also understand that after the Senior Bowl and the Combine.......a QB will rise to the top.

We can root all we want to. Pioli is with Clark doing interviews, not looking for a job. If Clark was going to fire him Pioli wouldn't be along for the ride. Not only will Pioli be the GM next year he is getting his say on who the head coach is. We will all have to wait another year to "start over"..... again.

This. Same goes for RGIII.

There were Questions before the draft on whether or not the Falcons should take Dorsey over Ryan....

Same shit, different year.

This guy could be the ****ing Frankie or KCJohnny of EaglesPlanet, for all we know.

Do we have any reports of success\failure?

Would have been my plan.

Thanks for the info.

*snaps neck*

We got what we needed, boys. Let's move out.

His takes read different.

New blood can't hurt. If he fits here, he will stick around.

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I agree. It would seem like Pioli hasn't been officially fired because of buyout negotiations.

But this has absolutely no connection for why he'd be present or along for any interviews of any kind.

Hell, remember when Chan Gailey wasn't "officially fired"? He was essentially removed from 1 Arrowhead, but he was still the OC in name for a bit.

If you're working on a buyout with an individual who currently possesses no say or sway within your company, common sense says that the guy should probably be at home. Literally.

You don't use the company dime to give him a trip for ATL for any reason. None. That defies common sense on all levels.

I hope you're right.

I know that a lot of people here love certain guys (Bray, Wilson and Smith) but when I've watched them play, I must have caught them on bad days because none of those guys to me scream "Franchise QB".

Hopefully to try to dump him off on Dimitroff

im from PA and gave you the same answers about Reid that the Eagles fan did. and I love the Chiefs. one thing is for sure all Eagles fans are the same when it comes to their team

I 1000% disagree that the Cardinals can fix their atrocious line in one offseason as well as find a QB in one offseason. They are a mess, much like we are. And I think finding 3-4 des really isn't that difficult of a proposition.

The Cardinals also have to compete with the 49ers and Seattle, 2 teams that will constantly be better than they are for the next 3-4 years without question.

good post. The only caveat I would add is that we think the coaching at AZ was OK. We know the coaching in KC was terrible. IF, and it's a big IF, KC were to sign either Bowe or Albert, and franchise the other, AND, the KC improves the coaching and QB play, I think that KC is a better team.

One more point, regarding QB's. Part of the reason that there don't seem to be any QB's worthy of the first pick in the draft is that evaluators typically look for the "pro style" QB with the ability to play from under center and drop back and be a pocket passer. Well, times are a changin. Look at Russel Wilson, Kapaernick, RG3. The league is opening up to the idea of the spread offense and qbs that do most of their work out of the shotgun. I'm not so sure that a Geno Smith type guy isn't the prototypical QB the NFL has in 5 years.

Maybe his contract stipulates he has to be involved. If so Clark would be in breach of contract if he was not present during interviews.

The rams too are going to be a threat, that's going to be a tough division. He would have more success in KC, all you really have to worry about is denver

You can bash Fescoe's tweet all you want, but if I'm Clark, and I'm looking to get rid of Pioli as cheaply as possible and I know that Scott's buddy Dimitroff could possibly have an opening - and I'm going to ATL to interview HC candidates - you're goddamn right I put him on the plane.

No one even knows if Pioli was in the interview, they just assume it.

He could just have easily been discussing a position with Dimitroff while Clark and the posse were doing interviews.

But sure, let's all jump off the deep end.

I was hoping Clark would do to Pioli what Jimmy was doing to Karen in Goodfellas: Keep walking there, keep going lol trying to get her whacked

He's there to carry Clarks bags and open his door. Maybe toss his salad right before bed.

I think you're overstating problems to fit an agenda here.

3 teams found immediate starting RBs in the draft last season, only 1 of which found that one late in the draft. Yes, finding a late-round RB is quite hard, especially when you also have a shit offensive line.

And how do you figure the Chiefs need to find 3 D-linemen? If they move to a 4-3, they'll need at most 1. If they stay in a 4-3, they'll probably only need 1 (Poe's going to get a shot and frankly he probably deserves it). Jackson will be an adequate stopgap, especially if properly coached.

And yes, it is absolutely difficult to just re-set your O-Line, easily as difficult as D-lineman (it's no easier to find a LT than it is to find a RDE). Sure, you can just draft someone and throw them in there...but there's a better than average chance that they suck.

Moreover, why is the Cardinals QB issue so quickly dismissed while the Chiefs one is not? Why is it easy for the Cards to just go get Alex Smith or Joe Flacco and not easy for KC? We have plenty of cap space and the Bidwells are hardly Dan Snyder. If that's the route that Reid wants to go, it will be no easier for AZ to turn that trick than it would be for KC.

C'mon - you're understating the AZ holes and overstating the KC ones. These are two extremely similar situations and the Chiefs are playing in a weaker division. I don't see any reason to believe one has a clearer shot to the playoffs than the other apart from the 'inflection' you use when discussing respective weaknesses.

Well I agree that Pioli will be the GM next year. I have held that opinion throughtout this season and especially now thathe's still there. However, I don't feel he's getting much of a say, if any, as to who the next HC will be. In any case - having Pioli around in any capacity is a bad idea.

Clausen was in the Bradford draft.

Dude, they could sign Alex Smith to compete with Kolb, take Joeckel at 8 or 9, then grab the best running back in the 2nd round, a guard in the third, a TE in the 4th, another guard in the 5th, another RB in the 6th and sign a starter here or there for their offensive line.

That is MUCH easier than finding a ****ing true Nose Tackle, starters and depth at the 5 tech, a starting safety opposite Berry, a starting ILB next to DJ (who IS aging, BTW), possibly a #1 receiver and definitely a #2 receiver, a reliable TE, etc. AND a franchise QB.

I've watched Arizona on many occasions and I'm actually shocked they fired Whiz. He's put competitive teams on the field with freaking five different QB's. Rod Graves failed Arizona IMO, not Whiz.

And they're closer than you'd think.

I've been telling you Dave, don't shrug off the fact that Pioli is still around as being meaningless. You just might get that link you asked me to provide for you last week before the season ended...

Of course he was. Sorry about that. Selected by the same ****ing team, no less. Dropped the ball completely on that.

Too late already happened...

Who is doing this? This is a message board, and we're discussing news. This is exactly what someone tried to pull on htimsqquuae earlier today, and he had to explain that he wasn't worked up at all. Just "talking."

You're still right though. I remember telling Dane that Kaepernick would go before Cam right before he told me to go **** my mother.

Sounds like you need to head to AZ for an interview. :D

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Scott lining up a job with his Canadian buddy ain't gonna help Clark with the money he's gonna owe.

Again, why not say Pioli will be back when the question was plainly asked? Hunt is planning for Pioli to be gone. Why he isn't I don't know. But when your answer to, will Pioli be back as GM? is, there are still changes to be made, it doesn't sound good for Pioli.

And people say I'm negative...

Holy shit.

I want the guy fired too, but I'm not going to ignore common sense either.

It's easy to say, "hey, Clark - admit you ****ed up and fire the guy, it's just money."

There's not a person here that wouldn't try to limit the financial damages before making a move like this.

If I understand correctly because of the buy out clause it cost $5MM to keep him and $7.5MM to fire him?

If I heard that right, and thats the case, I would let him sit in the corner sucking his thumb before I pay him an extra $2.5MM to fire him and let him go get another job.

The Chiefs could tag Bowe, re-sign Albert, Sign Alex Smith to compete with Quinn, draft a CB in the 2nd, a SS in the 3rd, an 3-4DE or 4-3 OLB in the 4th, an ILB in the 4th as well with their Carr pick, a TE in the 5th and STILL have their first rounder to use on Geno if that's the route they so chose.

Yes, it is absolutely that easy for this team. When you just say "look - this is what the Cardinals could do" I can easily counter with "Look - this is what the Chiefs could do" and get to the same result.

They're in the exact same damn spot. You're just passing off the Cardinals problems as having easy solutions but in reality, many of the Chiefs problems aren't any different.

You've been here long enough to know which posters are "just talking" and which posters are shitting their pants.

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If the Cards are closer than we think, than the Chiefs are closer than you think. We have a True Nose Tackle, Poe actually did quite well for a rookie, adn only stand to get better. Why are you dismissing that?

Why are you dismissing Kendrick Lewis, who is marginal, but not noting Marginal Cardinals players?

You keep saying the Cards QB situation is easy to fix, but the Chief's isnt? The same options are available to both clubs, except we'll be in a better position come draft time.

You mention how DJ is "aging" but make no mention on how the Cardinals players (Adrian Wilson???) are aging.

LT's are easy to find now?

5th round OL prospects are "Fixes" now?

Dane, this has "grass is always greener" written all over it.

These are two teams in very similar positions.

One is not "clearly" in a better position than the other.

That would be funny if Clark brought him to atlanta to talk to Dmitroff for an opening

Report today that an extension was signed back in June or July - so we're talking potentially another 2-3 years at anywhere between $5-8M per.

We could be talking about $20M+

Arizona is not much closer to competing. Both teams are pretty equal as far as talent goes. The difference between the Chiefs and Cardinals was coaching. Plain and simple. Chiefs just happened to have the black version of Rich Kotite coaching them. I'm glad Romeo is gone. He was as disastrous it could get as far as coaching goes.

On ESPN they just said somebody believes there is a 95 percent chance that he will end up in Arizona. I don't know who was reporting it.

This.

Some people think that Chiefs players suck while every other teams players are good.

Add the coaching staff to the 20 m

Mother****er, I hadn't heard that. Clark has to be pissed at himself.

How are they signing Smith?

He's not going to be traded in division.

I also think Poe is going to be a fine NT.