Nebraska football carries 10x the cache MU football does on a national basis, that counts.

As much as I dislike nub football and their douche fans, this is true.

JFC :facepalm:

I am not comparing the two universities as that is an exercise in futility. My point all along is that the Big XII isn't going to have a problem unless both teams leave. Why is that so damn hard to understand?

Dude, Saul Good is reeruned. I wouldn't take anything he says seriously. Nebraska football carries 10x more weight than everything MU has to offer.

Not true, they both have a lot to offer. I am just baffled as to where some of these comments are coming from. I don't get how me saying that Nebraska is the key to whether the Big XII survives or not equates to me saying Nebraska is superior to Mizzou or that Mizzou should care what the rest of the Big XII thinks.

Texas is the lifeblood of the Big XII. If they decide to pull up stakes, the Big XII will fold, simple as that. And that statement isn't a reflection on anything any of the other schools bring to the table.

No question about it, but I don't see them being the first, or even the second, to leave. I think they'll hold out hope of the Big XII surviving since they pretty much run the conference. That won't happen if they go to the Pac-10.

I don't get how you can say that Nebraska is the key. If your point is that the league could survive losing just Mizzou, then the same point would stand regarding losing just Nebraska.

Overall, the league would much rather lose the Nebraska market than the Missouri market. These television contracts pay based on the number of people in the viewing area.

Counts towards what? Is that somehow factored into the television contracts, some sort of cache multiplier?

I'm late to the thread, but isn't Texas working on its own TV network, which would broadcast most Big XII games, not just their own? That would be an economic windfall for them, and most likely reason not to leave. But, if that idea falls through (or they get a can't refuse offer).....

I've said multiple times that the league isn't going to be in trouble unless BOTH TEAMS leave. I don't know how I can be any more clear about that. I'm working under the assumption that MU leaving is a foregone conclusion, and whether or not NU follows is the key to the future of the Big XII.

I simply do not see NU leaving on their own.

You do realize that Nebraska had 10 games on national television last year, right? There is no Big 12 network, so I don't see how any of the "markets" you're talking about even apply to this. MU market will matter when they go to the B10, a conference with an actual network.

That's pretty much the way I see it. They'd love to have their own network, but the question is, is it going to be viable if the the only other major power in the conference is OU? They need to decide if having more control of a weaker Big XII is going to be more beneficial to them than being a part of a major conference. I'd be really surprised if they went that route, but they might just be arrogant enough to give it a go.

Here is my question, with the Big 10s inability to count correctly, will they still call it the Big 10 when and if they expand to 16?

It will be officially known as the Big Bunch of Schools Here Conference.

It factors into the awarding of bowl bids and tv viewership.

SMU must draw some major ratings, then. They have a lot of history.

That is reasonable, but that is different than saying that what Missouri does makes no difference. I would postulate that Colorado holds a much bigger hammer than Nebraska, though. If Missouri leaves, I think Colorado bolts as well. Then the league is pretty well cooked, as they would have lost every major market outside of Texas.

I don't think so. The Big 15 seems most likely.

I can see you are emotionally invested in this; I'm not saying anything negative about MU.

I would be glad to have Nebraska football joining the Big10 and I would welcome the Missouri athletic and academic package with open arms as well, both would be quality additions.

Colorado, Texas and Oklahoma Big 12 schools will join Arizona and Arizona State to form the Pac 16 South division.

Here is the view of MU joining the Big10 from one Iowa paper:

Big Ten expansion candidate: Missouri
Posted on Jun 05, 2010 by Scott Dochterman.
The fifth installment in a series looking at 12 different universities that could potentially join the Big Ten

School: Missouri
Location: Columbia, Mo.
Enrollment: 30,200
Current league: Big 12 Conference
Number of sports offered: 20
Academic profile: Member of the Association of American Universities; 102nd in the U.S. News and World Report National Universities rankings
Why it would fit: Missouri might make more sense than any other candidate. The state includes two large metro areas within its borders and adds nearly 6 million people to the Big Ten’s footprint. It’s a member of the AAU and is the primary institution in the state. Missouri is geographically contiguous and borders two current Big Ten states (Iowa and Illinois). It has competed at high levels in both football and men’s basketball within the last four years. State leaders expressed interest in the Big Ten concurrently with the league’s plans to consider expansion.
Why it wouldn’t: The athletics program has underachieved historically despite its massive reach in a populous state. It has the lowest ranking among all contenders by U.S. News and World Report.
Final verdict: It would be shocking not to see a larger Big Ten not include Missouri, especially if the league expands beyond one school. Missouri offers too much. If its athletics program ever gains consistency, watch out.
YouTube moment: Here’s an all-access look behind the scenes at a Missouri Tigers basketball game

http://gazetteonline.com/blogs/docs-...idate-missouri

I'm not emotionally invested in this at all. You are the one talking about nebulous things like "cache" and acting like it means something substantial. The Big 10's television contract pays them $0.70 per month per person living in their footprint.

I don't think you'll find the words "cache" or "tradition" in that formula. I'll admit that Nebraska has a ton of tradition. They haven't had much success in the last decade, but they seem to be on the rise. That doesn't change the equation, though.

And Nebraska:

Big Ten expansion candidate: Nebraska
Posted on Jun 04, 2010 by Scott Dochterman.
The fourth installment in a series looking at 12 different universities that could potentially join the Big Ten

School: Nebraska
Location: Lincoln, Neb.
Enrollment: 23,573
Current league: Big 12
Number of sports offered: 21
Academic profile: Member of the Association of American Universities; 96th in the U.S. News and World Report National Universities rankings
Why it would fit: Nebraska carries a national profile because of its football program. That alone (plus 80,000 fans at every home game) makes Nebraska an attractive candidate. It also has strong academics and is geographically contiguous with the league’s current eight-state footprint.
Why it wouldn’t: Nebraska has 1.2 million fewer people than Iowa, currently the Big Ten’s smallest state. Outside of football, Nebraska brings very few unique intangibles that the Big Ten covets, such as population base and demographic potential for growth.
Final verdict: Football conquers all when it comes to college athletics. The sport earns between 80 and 90 percent of all athletics department revenue. Outside of Notre Dame, Nebraska is the most attractive candidate strictly because of football.
YouTube moment: A look at the history of Nebraska football.

http://gazetteonline.com/blogs/docs-...idate-nebraska

OK.

http://campuscorner.kansascity.com/node/911#ixzz0q0trX6Dr

Just a Oklahoma football writer who is pretty respected in the Big 12.:shrug:

I'm hoping for some resolution in the near future. Otherwise, let's put it off for now and get hyped for the season.

What's the fun in that when you can take these rumors and all the speculation and have a Build-a-Conference Workshop?

Come on, make your own... you know you want to....

ROFL

Heh, well in the last four years anyway. KSU was the last north team to win a conference title, I'll give you that.

I hear they are cutting Nebraska off from athletics.

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/conte...hls/index.html

So they are trying to push mizzou and Nebraska to make a decision which they don't really have any control over. Nice work Dan.

Per the article: "The deadline was given to the pair of schools by the Big 12 presidents during the league meetings held in Kansas City this last week."

By "Big 12 presidents", I assume they excluded the presidents of Iowa State, Kansas, and Kansas State whose statements were more along the lines of
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http://www.huskerextra.com/articles/...f193106110.txt

See ya bundle of stickss

it's a good idea imo

why let Nebraska and MU just sit there and wait for the best thing for them to shake out? Make theme decide now when there is some risk for them.

right now Neb/MU can just sit there and wait for a solid commitment from the Big 10 or a merge from the Pac-10 ... whatever. No risk they can just take the best offer. Make them commit now and they have to take a risk. Leave the Big 12 and then have the Big 10 go in another direction? Leave the Big 12 and then have a better deal come in with the Pac-10?

force their hand instead of just letting Neb/Mu be in the power seat


****'em ... decide now or we kick your ass out and fine a replacement.

If they could be replaced, this wouldn't be a discussion. If they leave, the Big XII is history. Do you really think they're going to get kicked out? Even if every team in the South plus Colorado tried to vote MU and Nebraska out, there wouldn't be enough votes for it to pass, anyway.

KU, K-State, and Iowa State are completely screwed.

The Big 12 can replace MU and Nebraska and i believe the ultimatum indicates that the vote has already taken place ... at least informally.

you expect the Big 12 just to sit there and be held hostage on the whim of MU/Neb? Just sit around and hope and beg them to stay?

Right now both MU/Neb have one foot out the door and our straddling the fence, playing both sides. Looking for a new deal with the Big 10 without burning the bridge with the Big 12 in case it doesn't work out.

Now the Big 12 is forcing them to make a decision and take a risk. Commit to the Big 12 and tell the Big 10 to get lost or leave the Big 12 and risk ending up with nothing if the Big 10 goes another direction.

only move the Big 12 has concerning MU/Neb since they have already decided to not restructure profit sharing.

Which would you choose if KU was in the same situation?

Yeah, that's not going to happen.

disagree, it is probably the best, and very clever move to possibly keep the conference alive. As reported earlier, no one really cares about Missouri, this is about Nebraska. Nebraska has no idea if they will get a Big 10 invite.

The southern schools have basically turned it around on them: "commit now, or we will destroy the conference and you will be left adrift praying that a Big 10 offer is coming."

From the Big 12's point of view, it is completely unacceptable to have this situation where schools might or might not leave. Television contracts have to be negotiated soon, and we will not get anything but a crap deal if this is not firmly resolved. We need to know for sure right now. Shit or get off the pot. If the conference is going to die, let it die sooner rather than later so the other schools can have more time to figure out their futures.

From Nebraska's view this goes from a great easy-going situation where they could sit back knowing they are in the Big 12 now, but possibly could get an option to move later, to having to make a decision now: are you willing to take a gamble on the hope that the offer is coming? If they roll the dice, the south leaves for the PAC 10, and the Big 10 decides they only want 1 school, Nebraska is thoroughly hosed.

Exactly. There is a 0% chance that the Big XII will kick MU and Nebraska out of the conference and replace them with 2 new schools.

There is about a 25% chance that the southern schools bolt for the PAC-10 if MU and Nebraska don't make up their mind before long.

I highly doubt that the situation is so ambiguous for those in power. The decision makers at the universities almost assuredly know what offers have been or will be made.

Those offers have not been made, or we'd be seeing a press conference in Columbia right now. I'm taking the Big 10 at their word that they haven't made up their mind on even how many schools they want, much less who. I'm sure some schools in the Big 12 and Big East are aware there is interest, but no real promises.

Even if they don't, Nebraska just tells the Big XII that they are staying. If the offer from the Big 10 comes...see ya.

It's a bluff that could be plausible if called on.

ESPN Bottomline just reported this:

"According to reports, Nebraska and Missouri have been invited to join Big Ten, and Pac-10 is planning to invite Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State and Colorado."

Is it now official?

Not me, but we can agree to disagree.

I don't necessarily disagree, but Beebe doesn't have the balls to play hardball.

I wish to express something. While I love MU's move to the Big 10 for the sake of the university, there is something that I love much more than the University of Missouri that is going to be harmed by the dissolution of the Big XII: Kansas City. KC will lose a lot of money from hosting tournaments if the Big XII ceases to be.

I've not seen this.

The Big 12 is not taking a verbal promise, they will need a legally-binding agreement, which I'm sure the other schools (except Missouri) will sign on to if Nebraska says yes.

Good thing Beebe aint running the show.

http://www.kansascity.com/2010/06/06...rm-big-12.html

Yeah, Beebe has basically been elbowed to the back of the room by a few guys with southern accents. "Move over Bozo, this is too important and complicated for you"

I like the Doomsday clock in the star...

http://media.kansascity.com/smedia/2...filiate.81.jpg

I'm watching ESPN News right now, and the only mention of the situation on the ticker was:

"Report: Pac-10 Commissioner to recommend 6 team, Big 12 expansion."

Followed immediately by:

Big 12 gives Nebraska, Missouri ultimatum about joining Big 10.

Both have gone by three times now with no change in wording, so I'm not sure where he's getting this.

I could see both MU and NEB pocketing invites from the Big 10 then telling the Big 12 to go ahead and throw them out.

Both schools will have to pay pretty significant buyouts to break ties with the Big 12. I'm betting that buyout goes by the wayside if they're tossed from the conference.

In either event, I want this done soon. The longer this drags out, the more nervous I get about it coming together as planned.

That wont happen. What's going on here is the south is calling their bluff, as in "we don't believe you have invites yet, so commit or we'll destroy the conference". It's a lot easier for Missouri and Nebraska to sit back and wait for possible opportunities when they have a fallback plan in place than it would be if they had to take a leap of faith.

Like I said - you can't cite MU's athletic program without noting that it's underachieved.

I really do think a move to the Big 10 along with the competitive forces that would entail would make MU a very dangerous national athletic power.

The ultimatum is a joke. "Sign up on the dotted line in blood, or else we'll leave this conference and join the Pac-10 to create the first superconference..."

Um, well, please, call Missouri and Nebraska. We flopped a Royal Flush, motherf******. The Big 12 and Dan Beebe (and by this I mean Texas) are drawing dead.

The only way Missouri and Nebraska don't get official invites to the Big Ten:
1) ND joins, no superconferences happen, and the Big Ten stops at 12.
2) UT and aTm join in some form of 14 or 16-team alignment
3) The Big Ten doesn't expand and the college sports landscape doesn't change.

Well, if the Pac-10 goes to 16, all three of these situations are gone. The Big Ten will have the juice to include Notre Dame in its superconference expansion to 16 (or higher). It certainly won't stay at 11 and give the SEC and ACC chances to snap up teams it would need to survive the next round of league expansion. And the landscape will change.

If Texas, aTm, Oklahoma, oSu and Tech go to the Pac-10, it will ensure the Big Ten goes to at least 16, and Missouri and Nebraska will have their tickets punched.

http://www.pigskinpunditry.com/2010/...ou-can-do.html

I watched it go by three times before posting to make sure I was reading it right...they've now taken it off. I think it had to be a typo because that would be HUGE NEWS not just a developing story.

It's still on ESPNews.

The NCAA tab on the ESPNews HD is still showing "According to reports, Nebraska and Missouri have been invited to join Big Ten, and Pac-10 is planning to invite Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Colorado."

Glad someone else saw it, I was beginning to think I was crazy.:)

I just saw it on ESPNEWS. Said the Big 10 has invited NU and MU. Although I don't think it would happen, I wouldn't mind seeing the Big 10 ask KU, KSU and ISU to join the Big 10 too. That would give them a 16 team conference.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...aw.84150d.html

You shouldn't trust me. I am just a figment of your imagination. :D

Well, count me as worried after being apathetic for a while. To a degree, I still am.

ROFL
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So Lew Perkins plays hardball and lands the Orange Bowl over a Mizzou team who was more deserving. The Big XII does nothing.

Mizzou, pissed at the Big XII leaves for the Big 10 setting off a chain of events that leaves Kansas as a mid-major. Lew Perkins resigns in disgrace amid a barrage of scandals.

Just turned to ESPNNewsHD, and saw it under the NCAA tab.

The ticker is still reporting what I mentioned earlier.

Seems odd that they can't just run the same information.

I like the way you think. :)

I left off...Saul Good then grows a mustache just so that he can twirl it.

:evil:

That is Karma at its finest

You left out the part where KU had to take all the extra money they made from the Orange Bowl game to buyout Mangino's contract.