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raybec 4 05-03-2017 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12855964)
In fairness, he didn't just run out of bounds.

He missed the throw downfield to Ware.

All part of the strategy. If the defense would have done their job and not let Pitt score a touchdown he would have had the opportunity to implement his plan.

Bufkin 05-03-2017 10:26 AM

That's awesome that he's a good guy and humble. Christian Ponder was humble too. He's still gonna bust.

chiefscafan 05-03-2017 11:09 AM

So I guess the elephant in the room does he really sit the entire year or do you see him starting at some point?


Just curious of the overall opinion?

DJ's left nut 05-03-2017 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefscafan (Post 12856071)
So I guess the elephant in the room does he really sit the entire year or do you see him starting at some point?


Just curious of the overall opinion?

I'd say 2-1 against.

But there's a non-zero chance that he does. A) Smith is not exactly injury prone, but he's not 100% durable either. He's going to miss a game or two. If it's in the first 6 weeks, I expect Bray takes the snaps. If it's in the last half or so, it may well be Mahomes. B) If they're scuffling a bit at something like 7-5 and they're going to need a strong finishing kick to make the post-season, if Smith's having some of the same troubles he was having mid-year last season, I could also see Reid making a move.

I think it's important to remember just how much Reid neutered Smith in that Denver road game. Sure we won it but we got a little lucky and Reid got truly desperate in the 4th quarter. For 3 quarters of that game, Reid was terrified to let Smith do anything. It was a shockingly conservative gameplan.

I do not believe that's what Reid WANTS to do. I don't think he's a Mike Martz, damn the torpedoes and air it out kind of guy, but I don't think he's sub-Marty either. If he's in a situation later in the year where he thinks he has to install that kind of gameplan again, I could see him deciding "**** this - put in the kid and lets play actual football..."

Graystoke 05-03-2017 11:16 AM

Boner ENGAGED!

JDKinman 05-03-2017 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12855959)
Mahomes absolutely has to realize that any time he CAN set his feet and fire conventionally, he should. He doesn't seem to understand that right now or at least consistently practice it. He does some things that are just a little lazy and if he does them often enough, that's trouble. He can't just take a sidearm flip if coming over the top with a solid base is available to him. And no, his feet aren't right nearly as often as some are saying - they're really really bad. Like, arguably the worst in the draft bad. He has to fix that and quickly because if your platform isn't sound, you can never be confident where the ball is going, especially under duress.

Just something to think about and consider. . .

Most of what everyone here is seeing of Mahomes is coming from the "hot dog highlight" reels.

In the three years I watched him play, both at the stadium and on tv during road games, there were PLENTY of passes he made while his feet were set. And those throws were truly things of beauty.

Lots of college QBs can make beautiful, accurate throws with their feet set. It's when they have to scramble and/or throw on the run that their accuracy and arm strength becomes suspect.

Reel after reel of QBs making picture perfect throws from the pocket or when they weren't scrambling and were set up to throw has no sex appeal to the fans. If all Mahomes ever did was throw on the run, I doubt he would have been drafted until the (much) later rounds. But what coaches see in the hours and hours of compiled film reels, plus from their scouts in the stands and at practice have a lot more to do with how and when they choose their best draft picks.

I guess what I'm saying is to not get overly concerned about the perception of Mahomes' "bad footwork" that is being hung on him. He has made more than his fair share of other-worldly throws from a set position--they're just not as much fun to watch on the highlight reels. :)

--JD

Pasta Little Brioni 05-03-2017 12:25 PM

Thanks for the info, friend

Halfcan 05-03-2017 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Bufkin (Post 12856005)
That's awesome that he's a good guy and humble. Christian Ponder was humble too. He's still gonna bust.

:shake:

Why are you so sure PM2 is going to be a bust? I have not heard him say anything or watched any of his plays that make me feel that way at all.

If another team in our division had drafted him, I would be very worried now.

PM2 is going to win multiple SB's and MVP's before he retires from his HOF career.

Frosty 05-03-2017 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 12856239)
:shake:

Why are you so sure PM2 is going to be a bust? I have not heard him say anything or watched any of his plays that make me feel that way at all.

If another team in our division had drafted him, I would be very worried now.

PM2 is going to win multiple SB's and MVP's before he retires from his HOF career.

Bufkin is a troll. He's a Falcons fan, of all things.

Pasta Little Brioni 05-03-2017 01:26 PM

Dude is stuck with Scooter...punishment enough

FlaChief58 05-03-2017 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Bufkin (Post 12856005)
That's awesome that he's a good guy and humble. Christian Ponder was humble too. He's still gonna bust.

Based on what? He passes the eye test, which is the best we as fans can hope for at this point. But when other coaches and those who have way more football knowledge than anyone on a football BB are saying he's the real deal, I tend to believe that he's going to be just fine.

Titty Meat 05-03-2017 07:48 PM

So JD you sound like you think he can play right away am I wrong? To me he looks like he could be really damn good but needs atleast 1 if not 2 years. The Chiefs are in no hurry it's perfect situation
.

PHOG 05-03-2017 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JDKinman (Post 12856191)
Just something to think about and consider. . .

Most of what everyone here is seeing of Mahomes is coming from the "hot dog highlight" reels.

In the three years I watched him play, both at the stadium and on tv during road games, there were PLENTY of passes he made while his feet were set. And those throws were truly things of beauty.

Lots of college QBs can make beautiful, accurate throws with their feet set. It's when they have to scramble and/or throw on the run that their accuracy and arm strength becomes suspect.

Reel after reel of QBs making picture perfect throws from the pocket or when they weren't scrambling and were set up to throw has no sex appeal to the fans. If all Mahomes ever did was throw on the run, I doubt he would have been drafted until the (much) later rounds. But what coaches see in the hours and hours of compiled film reels, plus from their scouts in the stands and at practice have a lot more to do with how and when they choose their best draft picks.

I guess what I'm saying is to not get overly concerned about the perception of Mahomes' "bad footwork" that is being hung on him. He has made more than his fair share of other-worldly throws from a set position--they're just not as much fun to watch on the highlight reels. :)

--JD

CFB just saying, not NFL.

JDKinman 05-04-2017 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by BigMeatballBillay (Post 12856941)
So JD you sound like you think he can play right away am I wrong? To me he looks like he could be really damn good but needs atleast 1 if not 2 years. The Chiefs are in no hurry it's perfect situation
.

Don't think he's ready to start. Not even if he has an All-Pro performance training camp. He needs to break some bad habits, chief among them (no pun intended) is his mistaken thinking that he's also a fullback. Second, he needs to learn when to sacrifice the play and let it die a natural, non-traumatic peaceful death. This will be harder for him to learn because it is never taught at Texas Tech.

Third thing, learning the NFL offense AND myriad of defensive schemes and alignments will take at least a full year for him.

However, I DO think he needs to get some "on the field" playing time in games where he can be afforded the opportunity to do so--and rather than putting him in with (other) second/third stringers, he needs some on-the-field time with the starters to begin developing "when it counts" chemistry.

And finally? He needs a year or more to prove himself and his worth ethic to the veterans and be accepted and respected.

--JD

Marcellus 05-04-2017 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 12856239)
:shake:

Why are you so sure PM2 is going to be a bust? I have not heard him say anything or watched any of his plays that make me feel that way at all.

If another team in our division had drafted him, I would be very worried now.

PM2 is going to win multiple SB's and MVP's before he retires from his HOF career.

Because Bufkin is a moron and a Falcons fan. I guess that sentence was redundant.


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