We've beaten one playoff team in three years - the 7-9 Seahawks.

I wouldn't call that "competitive".

This roster has the potential to be competitive should they get a franchise QB. Problem is, that's at minimum a year down the road, plus the time it takes for him to play at a high level.

Guys like DJ, Hali, Flowers, etc aren't going to play at an elite level forever.

The window is going to be very small.

No matter how negative one wants to get... we have a very competitive roster! Sure we question the QB spot but you can't deny Pioli has actually done a very good job adding pieces throughout the roster. Imo we are a QB away from a Super Bowl caliber team. Even with that said I think Cassel can still lead this roster to the playoffs since it is that good.

Minus one.

When you go to 4 SB's in 8 years you're doing more right than getting lucky. The Pats make smart trades to give themselves more draft picks. The more draft choices you have the better the chance you'll hit a home run with one of them. Not only that but they've won about every way out there. They've won with a running game and good defense. Passing game and good defense. Outstanding passing game and almost no defense.

They keep going to SB's because they adapt - they don't get stuck in one mindset.

And the Steelers are the opposite. They are the model. Stability, continuity, tradition. 3 HC's in 30+ years because they don't hire the wrong guy. They constantly draft well. They do an excellent job of evaluating their own talent.

Other teams rise and fall but the Steelers and Pats just go to title game after title game every few years...

i'd like to cosign Dane's last 8-10 posts

spot on...and you have a much better memory than me

Exactly. This is so frustrating. I hate thinking about the last times since 1993 we had so much talent on D and made the playoffs. Why didn't we win in the playoffs? The ****ing QB. I cringe thinking about going through that again.

We did beat the Packers and Broncos last year, so we tripled that number.



But I get your point.

"competitive" is a meaningless word in the nfl


you can step on your dick and win 6-7 games in a league built for competitive balance...

Sorry man, I disagree. If the Steelers were a great organization, they would have far more Super Bowl rings. It was a massive amount of failure on their part to not find an adequate QB through either free agency or the draft at O'Donnell left via free agency. That team could have been the most dominant, ever, but instead, they were just a very good team.

It's a myth that the Patriots draft well.

Cassel's scrotum-scrubber.

Yep. My mistake. I was using the "Cassel" numbers and forgot about those two.

Point stands.

This.


The pats have had some decent draft picks, but not a whole lot of studs.

You've got a fair point on the '09 draft, but come on, none of those guys were in DT's level. He was a can't miss prospect so its just stupid to even compare that. But ok, ignoring that, there was Cushing, Matthews, and Orakpo that I think would have warranted a reach (in hindsight, mind you). If we drafted them would we have kept DJ or Hali? Especially after DJ's '09? Would Hali have even had the chance to convert to OLB? Then again, maybe Studebaker would have been our special teams ace and we'd have dumped Vrabel sooner with the development of those guys.

I'm also not sure what the **** Tyson Jackson had to do with the Chiefs losing. 2009 the team flat out sucked ass (and we don't have over half our current starters on the team even), and then 2011 the defense played well without arguably their best player and a big hole at nose tackle, oh and with one of the shittiest offense the Chiefs have ever trotted onto the field so unless the defense only gave up 12 points a game they were doomed to lose anyway.

You doubt any of the guys Pioli has drafted will make the ring of honor? Herm ****ing Edwards found 5 that I think have a good chance of making it (Charles, Bowe, Hali, Albert, Flowers), I doubt Pioli didn't find any.

Actually this whole argument is ****ing stupid. Go back 4 years into Carl's tenure and tell me what clear Hall of Famers he had drafted? FFS this might take the cake for dumbest argument I've read on here.

Point definitely stands. It is strengthened actually.

Who has more?