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Sassy Squatch 03-30-2025 08:52 AM
So trade down for an extra day 3 pick in a draft that blows instead of using a day 2 pick to move up for a sliding player that Veach may have a first round grade on.

Chris Meck 03-30-2025 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 18014745)
Why. Veach has typically done his best work being aggressive and moving up for players, not falling back and letting the board come to him.

Also, folks are sleeping on that fifth year option something fierce. McDuffie is sub 13 million and Karlaftis is sub 15 million with an extra year of control. Both guys that probably clear 25 million on the open market, especially with how scarce it's become.

None of that is worth sacrificing for an extra 4th.
There are a LOT of assumptions there. Moving up FOR players implies that there are individuals clearly worth going up to get. Otherwise, if you're just doing it to be aggressive, you get Breeland Speaks.

The only thing I know for sure is that I don't have any idea what Veach is going to do, but in hindsight it will make perfect sense.

I haven't been right in advance yet.

Chris Meck 03-30-2025 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 18014785)
So trade down for an extra day 3 pick in a draft that blows instead of using a day 2 pick to move up for a sliding player that Veach may have a first round grade on.
Well, you're just full of exaggerations and assumptions, aren't ya?

Sassy Squatch 03-30-2025 09:24 AM
No it isn't. McDuffie, Rice, and Worthy. The best players out of the last 3 drafts. All players Veach went up to get. Moore, FAU, and Suamataia. All to this point worthless scrubs that Veach settled on.

staylor26 03-30-2025 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 18014810)
No it isn't. McDuffie, Rice, and Worthy. The best players out of the last 3 drafts. All players Veach went up to get. Moore, FAU, and Suamataia. All to this point worthless scrubs that Veach settled on.
JFC we're calling Suamataia a "worthless scrub" because he wasn't a starting LT as a 21 year old rookie?

I agree with your overall point, but no need for the ridiculous hyperbole to make it.

Sassy Squatch 03-30-2025 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 18014820)
JFC we're calling Suamataia a "worthless scrub" because he wasn't a starting LT as a 21 year old rookie?

I agree with your overall point, but no need for the ridiculous hyperbole to make it.
To this point he has been. Season ultimately ended in large part because he sucked so bad and they spent the rest of the season scrambling at LT before settling on Thuney. Hell, they've thrown their hands up and moved him to the interior OL already.

staylor26 03-30-2025 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 18014821)
To this point he has been. Season ultimately ended in large part because he sucked so bad and they spent the rest of the season scrambling at LT before settling on Thuney. Hell, they've thrown their hands up and moved him to the interior OL already.
You mean they've inserted him as their starting LG? Hardly "worthless", but sure!

Sassy Squatch 03-30-2025 09:55 AM
Like they inserted him as their starting LT?

Chargem 03-30-2025 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 18014810)
No it isn't. McDuffie, Rice, and Worthy. The best players out of the last 3 drafts. All players Veach went up to get. Moore, FAU, and Suamataia. All to this point worthless scrubs that Veach settled on.
They traded up for Suamataia. And Wanya Morris. And Hunter Nourzad. And Darian Kinnard.

RedinTexas 03-30-2025 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 18014810)
No it isn't. McDuffie, Rice, and Worthy. The best players out of the last 3 drafts. All players Veach went up to get. Moore, FAU, and Suamataia. All to this point worthless scrubs that Veach settled on.
Every draft is different. Talent is not evenly spread, nor does it fit perfectly into a bell curve. Draft charts assume a perfect bell curve in every draft. Therefore, some draft situations will call for trading up, while others will call for trading down. The value of the 5th year option is not a secret to any GM and will be included in any analysis of a draft trade. The merits of a trade-up or trade-down are not automatic.

htismaqe 03-30-2025 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 18014738)
If Conerly gets close to our pick, I could see a trade up with maybe a flip of draft spots in the 3rd. You can't be sure that a team at the top of the second might try and jump in front of us if they like Conerly and know he won't get past us.
I don't want to give up multiple picks for Conerly.

BigRedChief 03-30-2025 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 18014713)
It would be something if they traded up for a tackle in this draft. They have so many needs, trading up would just be dumb.
No shit. Veach isn't that dumb. We have multiple needs. Ones that will hurt us if we give up picks to move up. In this draft, staying in our pick is the wise choice. We can fill a huge need with a DT starter there.

TRR 03-30-2025 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 18014836)
I don't want to give up multiple picks for Conerly.
Agreed. If he falls, that’s a nice pick at 31 given he’ll need a redshirt rookie season as his play strength needs to improve. And, like Kingsley, he’s only 21 years old. But giving up multiple picks wouldn’t look amazing given Conerly is still a few years away.

htismaqe 03-30-2025 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by TRR (Post 18014857)
Agreed. If he falls, that’s a nice pick at 31 given he’ll need a redshirt rookie season as his play strength needs to improve. And, like Kingsley, he’s only 21 years old. But giving up multiple picks wouldn’t look amazing given Conerly is still a few years away.
Agreed.

kccrow 03-30-2025 11:16 AM
Don't whine about how bad our OT play is for a 6th straight year if the Chiefs don't go up and take one. Remember, ya'll would rather sit tight so you don't miss out on a situational role player.


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