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ToxSocks 11-22-2022 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16622129)
I don't think Skyy is comparable to MVS. For one thing, and maybe the most important one, MVAS is physically a much different player than Skyy, at 5' 10" and 195lbs. MVS is 6' 4" and 210 lbs.

that's textbook apples and oranges.


MVS is a tall, big, long WR, like a Chase Claypool, while Skyy is a smaller, but quicker WR, maybe best suited for a slot role similar to Edelman/Welker/Renfrow, etc.

Skyy's most similar player on the Chiefs is probably Hardman.

Agreed with you till the last sentence. Nothing like Hardman. There is no one on the roster comparable to Skyy and the last, most recent one would be Wilson.

ToxSocks 11-22-2022 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16622169)
They've never said that his skill set doesn't fit this offense. Just that expectations for him were overblown and for 9 weeks he wasn't meeting even the minimum level of those expectations.

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BossChief 11-22-2022 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16622170)
Agreed with you till the last sentence. Nothing like Hardman. There is no one on the roster comparable to Skyy and the last, most recent one would be Wilson.

If we are narrowing the search for comp to Chiefs only players, I’m not sure there’s been one. Wilson may be the closest.

Overall, it’s Edelman/Welker.

raybec 4 11-22-2022 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 16622163)
I don’t that’s completely unreasonable from your POV.

Some of us are just shocked you and DJ can’t see something that most respected people that have watched football as more than a casual an can see.

That Skyy Moores skill set fits this offense perfectly and Sunday was our first real taste of him getting an opportunity to showcase those skills.

I don't recall them saying he didn't fit. They did say he was over drafted. They did say he had not lived up to expectations thus far for a 2nd round pick. No one even said he didn't have a good game. I think they're just saying that him getting 65 yards doesn't mean he wasn't disappointing prior to that game. Honestly, I think we can all agree that this game wasn't anything "extra" he kind of should have done this weeks ago. But if he's turned the corner and this is repeatable and reproduceable that's fantastic.

ToxSocks 11-22-2022 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 16622179)
If we are narrowing the search for comp to Chiefs only players, I’m not sure there’s been one. Wilson may be the closest.

Overall, it’s Edelman/Welker.

Sure, the Edleman/Welker comp is the golden standard for smaller, shifty slot receivers. And that's what we all hope for.

But he could also just be an Elijah Moore. His skillset really isn't all that unique. It's not like we've never seen this kind of player before.

He has a tall hill to climb to be a Edleman/Welker. He could easily end up being an Elijah Moore or Andy Isabella. Luckily he has Reid and Mahomes to help.

staylor26 11-22-2022 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16622165)
Using a 65 yard game as an I told you so game is so weird.

He had a good game. Don't blow it out of proportion or act like people were wrong when they said the previous 9 weeks were underwhelming.

People really don't understand grading a player game by game and that just because you say a player is underwhelming up to a certain point, that doesn't mean that you think he'll suck forever.

The only "I told you so" people are doing is "I told you he will eventually get an opportunity this season, and when he does he'll be that guy that many of us seen on tape and the preseason/TC."

Also, like I said, it's just lazy box score to focus on "65 yard game". Look at those tweets from Matt Lane breaking it all down. It far more impressive than the box score, and they left quite a bit of meat on the bone.

If the protection is better on those 2 deep routes, he probably gets over 100.

What you don't seem to understand is that I'm fully aware that this was just 1 game. I'm not any more/less confident than I was before about him. I've had zero doubt that he will be a really good player for us from day 1. This game really didn't change anything for me, except for finally not having to hear all the negative bullshit about him.

Megatron96 11-22-2022 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16622170)
Agreed with you till the last sentence. Nothing like Hardman. There is no one on the roster comparable to Skyy and the last, most recent one would be Wilson.

Meant Skyy is more of the same stature, and to a certain extent, what Andy would like to use him for in the offense. Probably not jet sweeps, for example, but some of the slot stuff certainly. Skyy is shiftier than Hardman, and he's starting off as a much better route runner, but Mecole has a big edge in just pure speed.

Wilson as a comp is fine, for me anyway. I think Skyy probably is better in some areas, but right now who cares?

DJ's left nut 11-22-2022 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16622202)
The only "I told you so" people are doing is "I told you he will eventually get an opportunity this season, and when he does he'll be that guy that many of us seen on tape and the preseason/TC."

Also, like I said, it's just lazy box score to focus on "65 yard game". Look at those tweets from Matt Lane breaking it all down. It far more impressive than the box score, and they left quite a bit of meat on the bone.

If the pressure is better on those 2 deep routes, he's probably over 100 yards.

There's always more meat on the bones, fellas.

Every WR gets missed when he's open. Every QB has drops.

It's a silly analysis that really doesn't mean much.

RunKC 11-22-2022 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16622169)
They've never said that his skill set doesn't fit this offense. Just that expectations for him were overblown and for 9 weeks he wasn't meeting even the minimum level of those expectations.

He’s flashed potential all year. His first catch in Arizona went for 30 yards. Had 2 in Tampa for a total of 31 yards (15.5 avg). Had one against Buffalo for 24 yards.

He ****ed up a route 1 time in SF and people really piled on him due to Toub stupidly putting him as the returner, which again he never did in college.

If anything this game has the hope that he has gained trust from Patrick.

He should get more snaps if he keeps playing like this. He was a problem for the Chargers and has the capability to be that for opponents moving forward.

Easy 6 11-22-2022 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16622083)
It's a lazy, just look at the box score, take.

Its absolutely not, Wilson had some clutch plays in games like sunday too

You seem to think saying thats some slam, its actually anything but... if Skyy can give us prime Wilson as a rookie, sign me up

Kiimo 11-22-2022 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16622082)
So you hope.

Telling someone to go watch film when my projections about Skyy have more or less been accurate in comparison to his supporters is an interesting take i guess.

Skyy Moore gets open with ease and catches with his giant hands.


There you go, two things Albert Wilson doesn't have.

ThaVirus 11-22-2022 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16621971)
You're so full of shit.

What has there been to discuss that hasn't been said over and over and over the last few weeks?

I know I'm not the only one that found the discussion surrounding Skyy to be a bit harsh and overall exhausting.

But I've been saying from the beginning, I didn't know when his time would come to get a legitimate opportunity, but I knew he would make the haters eat crow when he did.


LMAO I knew that would strike a chord with you.

You are def a bit of a front runner but I don't care much about this Skyy debate either way. It's so early in his career, neither side has much of an argument.

This last game didn't move the meter much either. Anyone beating their chest over a receiver going for 60 yards when we were out our top #1, #3 and #4 WRs with Patrick Mahomes in the midst of an MVP season throwing to him is a little too juiced up, just the same as a guy saying he's a bust 9 games into his career.

Skyy God 11-22-2022 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16622185)
Sure, the Edleman/Welker comp is the golden standard for smaller, shifty slot receivers. And that's what we all hope for.

But he could also just be an Elijah Moore. His skillset really isn't all that unique. It's not like we've never seen this kind of player before.

He has a tall hill to climb to be a Edleman/Welker. He could easily end up being an Elijah Moore or Andy Isabella. Luckily he has Reid and Mahomes to help.

Isabella?? That dude had 189 yards his rookie year, 88 of which on 1 grab.

Skyy has 169 already.

He doesn’t seem likely to bust, especially after his confidence game.

Coochie liquor 11-22-2022 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16622209)
He’s flashed potential all year. His first catch in Arizona went for 30 yards. Had 2 in Tampa for a total of 31 yards (15.5 avg). Had one against Buffalo for 24 yards.

He ****ed up a route 1 time in SF and people really piled on him due to Toub stupidly putting him as the returner, which again he never did in college.

If anything this game has the hope that he has gained trust from Patrick.

He should get more snaps if he keeps playing like this. He was a problem for the Chargers and has the capability to be that for opponents moving forward.

Exactly. He’s a rookie with a bunch of veterans in front of him. He doesn’t have an elite skill like Reek that forced Andy to get him on the field. Doesn’t mean he won’t be a great player for us as he grows in the offense.

DRM08 11-22-2022 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 16622252)
Its absolutely not, Wilson had some clutch plays in games like sunday too

You seem to think saying thats some slam, its actually anything but... if Skyy can give us prime Wilson as a rookie, sign me up

If Skyy ends up having Albert Wilson’s chemistry with Mahomes and Skyy has better hands than Wilson, it’s a huge win for the Chiefs. Good chemistry with QB and good hands? Yes please!


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