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PHOG 03-29-2025 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by xztop123 (Post 18013987)
We may have to trot Mike caliendo out there to play left tackle if our plan fails.

:facepalm:

Chris Meck 03-29-2025 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 18013944)
I think this is exactly what is gonna happen. Couple of QB’s and TE’s, Neanty and a big run on DL, then there will be a 3-4 pick run on WR’s + Hampton.

Good spot to trade up for our guy around 26.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">People at the Ohio State Pro Day believe “the run on receivers” will start with the Seahawks at 18th overall, and run through the Rams (26th overall). <br><br>The Packers, Chargers, and Steelers are all believed to be targeting a 1st round WR, per <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyPauline?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TonyPauline</a> <a href="https://t.co/hLBlUmjAUZ">pic.twitter.com/hLBlUmjAUZ</a></p>&mdash; SleeperNFL (@SleeperNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/SleeperNFL/status/1905986679174795266?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 29, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Who, in your opinion, is 'our guy'? And why are they worth so much more than any number of other guys that it's worth losing a third to go get him? Because I don't see anyone in the back half of the first round that I'd give up a third to go get.

kccrow 03-29-2025 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamie (Post 18012737)
For what it's worth, Mike Tice thinks Conerly is the best OL in the class.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Episode is out now! And it did not disappoint.<br><br>We talked about 11 OL prospects, including a surprising choice from my dad for his OL1 in this class (that I endorse!) <a href="https://t.co/8yREk9O9Uk">https://t.co/8yREk9O9Uk</a> <a href="https://t.co/NivI5obiM4">pic.twitter.com/NivI5obiM4</a></p>&mdash; Nate Tice (@Nate_Tice) <a href="https://twitter.com/Nate_Tice/status/1905441624572002811?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 28, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Considering he spent the better part of his coaching career coaching the Offensive Line, outside of being a head coach, and that he played in the league as a blocking TE, he might know a thing or two about what to look for.

I think the media has it wrong on Conerly. Of course, that's been my two cents for a while now.

Chris Meck 03-29-2025 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18014086)
Considering he spent the better part of his coaching career coaching the Offensive Line, outside of being a head coach, and that he played in the league as a blocking TE, he might know a thing or two about what to look for.

I think the media has it wrong on Conerly. Of course, that's been my two cents for a while now.

Well...

is he = Eric Fisher?

Because that's kind of the line for me. If he's not Fisher or can't be very quickly, I'm just not excited about going up to get him. Or any other OT prospect, for that matter. Now, if he drops to us, that's a different matter and it depends on who else is around.

But we haven't had a proper LT since Fisher ripped his achilles.

I think a healthy Simmons is, but a healthy Simmons isn't dropping to #31.

RunKC 03-29-2025 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 18014021)
Who, in your opinion, is 'our guy'? And why are they worth so much more than any number of other guys that it's worth losing a third to go get him? Because I don't see anyone in the back half of the first round that I'd give up a third to go get.

I think we could give up a pick swap and keep our picks.

Walter Nolen and Derrick Harmon seem like the most sure bets in this DT class to be blue chippers. Legitimate ass kickers that could win games.

IF (big if) the Chiefs feels Conerly is going to be an even decent starting tackle you trade up for him.

Doubt we’d have to, but if you told me Conley was gonna give us the stability Eric Fisher did but we needed to give up a 3rd? Yeah I’m doing it without blinking

kccrow 03-29-2025 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 18014152)
Well...

is he = Eric Fisher?

Because that's kind of the line for me. If he's not Fisher or can't be very quickly, I'm just not excited about going up to get him. Or any other OT prospect, for that matter. Now, if he drops to us, that's a different matter and it depends on who else is around.

But we haven't had a proper LT since Fisher ripped his achilles.

I think a healthy Simmons is, but a healthy Simmons isn't dropping to #31.

My brain is telling me we'll absolutely have to trade up for Conerly if we want him. I think a pick swap with Minnesota isn't much to give up. If Veach feels we have to go higher, I wouldn't be opposed so long as it doesn't get too costly. I think 19 would be the next logical spot and that's probably #66 and a next year's 3rd.

Chris Meck 03-29-2025 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 18014532)
I think we could give up a pick swap and keep our picks.

Walter Nolen and Derrick Harmon seem like the most sure bets in this DT class to be blue chippers. Legitimate ass kickers that could win games.

IF (big if) the Chiefs feels Conerly is going to be an even decent starting tackle you trade up for him.

Doubt we’d have to, but if you told me Conley was gonna give us the stability Eric Fisher did but we needed to give up a 3rd? Yeah I’m doing it without blinking

Those guys are both really good 3 techs. The problem is, we have THE 3 tech with Jones. So how do you see KC using them? Move Jones outside? I don't think he's as good at DE as inside, and anyway, that means you take Karlaftis out.

So, while I think those are great prospects, I don't see them as improving the team as much as one of the guys that can play nose, like Grant or Williams. You can pair those guys WITH Jones on any/all downs and seriously improve your front 4.

Just my opinion.

and on Conerly, yes, I agree IF they think he's a Fisher level player, then you absolutely make that deal. I just don't think anyone can say that with any certainty. As I said, I don't dislike the player, and if he falls to our pick, I'd certainly consider it, depending on who else is on the board.

Palangi 03-29-2025 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 18014639)
Those guys are both really good 3 techs. The problem is, we have THE 3 tech with Jones. So how do you see KC using them? Move Jones outside? I don't think he's as good at DE as inside, and anyway, that means you take Karlaftis out.

So, while I think those are great prospects, I don't see them as improving the team as much as one of the guys that can play nose, like Grant or Williams. You can pair those guys WITH Jones on any/all downs and seriously improve your front 4.

Just my opinion.

and on Conerly, yes, I agree IF they think he's a Fisher level player, then you absolutely make that deal. I just don't think anyone can say that with any certainty. As I said, I don't dislike the player, and if he falls to our pick, I'd certainly consider it, depending on who else is on the board.

Both have high run stop grades too. I think they could play next to Jones. Then take over when he is done in two or three years.

I don’t think Conerly is worth trading up for. Just take Charles Grant or Anthony Benton or Ozzie Trapilo with our second or third pick. Or even Carson Vinson or Jack Nelson in the 4th round

Chris Meck 03-29-2025 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Palangi (Post 18014658)
Both have high run stop grades too. I think they could play next to Jones. Then take over when he is done in two or three years.

I don’t think Conerly is worth trading up for. Just take Charles Grant or Anthony Benton or Ozzie Trapilo with our second or third pick. Or even Jack Nelson in the 4th round

They're both really good players against the run at 3 tech. 0 or 1 is a different thing. They might be able to DO it, but is that the best usage of their abilities? They're really perfect 3 techs. That's where they should be.

Just seems to me. But who knows what Spags would do? Might just move all of them around all over the place every down.

Anyway, should be some good players at #31.

htismaqe 03-30-2025 03:12 AM

It would be something if they traded up for a tackle in this draft. They have so many needs, trading up would just be dumb.

Chargem 03-30-2025 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 18014661)
They're both really good players against the run at 3 tech. 0 or 1 is a different thing. They might be able to DO it, but is that the best usage of their abilities? They're really perfect 3 techs. That's where they should be.

Just seems to me. But who knows what Spags would do? Might just move all of them around all over the place every down.

Anyway, should be some good players at #31.

I think you could still get a lot of use out of another 3 tech pass rushing type. You can put them both on the field on pass rushing downs, you can rotate between them to keep Jones fresh and you can use them both on the field when Jones is at edge. That's probably an impactful number of snaps? Turk got like 700 snaps last year.

Coogs 03-30-2025 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 18014713)
It would be something if they traded up for a tackle in this draft. They have so many needs, trading up would just be dumb.

If Conerly gets close to our pick, I could see a trade up with maybe a flip of draft spots in the 3rd. You can't be sure that a team at the top of the second might try and jump in front of us if they like Conerly and know he won't get past us.

RealSNR 03-30-2025 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by xztop123 (Post 18013987)
We may have to trot Mike caliendo out there to play left tackle if our plan fails.

I don't care if this is just a joke. That's bitch talk.

Sassy Squatch 03-30-2025 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Balto (Post 18013957)
Much rather trade down at #31 than trade up.

Why. Veach has typically done his best work being aggressive and moving up for players, not falling back and letting the board come to him.

Also, folks are sleeping on that fifth year option something fierce. McDuffie is sub 13 million and Karlaftis is sub 15 million with an extra year of control. Both guys that probably clear 25 million on the open market, especially with how scarce it's become.

None of that is worth sacrificing for an extra 4th.

Kiimo 03-30-2025 07:59 AM

This will not be the draft that we end up with two top 15is players in the first round like McDuffie and Karlaftis. That was a freak anomaly and one of the best first rounds the Chiefs have had or will have in their drafting history. We should NOT expect that to be the norm but rather look back and say what a gigantic win that year was.

I'm team trade down because this draft kind of blows. At least for top end talent. The second round starts at like pick 15


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