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Marcellus 08-23-2023 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Wizard (Post 17068986)
According to "overthecap" we currently have Team Cap Space: $748,038.
Chris holding out keeps us from changing that number. Essentially we don't have the money to bring in free agent DLs. He kind of has us over a barrel;

- He wont play
- We cant replace him in free agency

What am I missing here?:banghead:

Every game he misses KC saves around $1.2MM in cap space I believe.

Sassy Squatch 08-23-2023 09:53 AM

Again, why is it such a big deal if he actually does hold out until midseason? Short term it has the potential to swing an early game or two but long term it does us far more good. And the Colts have introduced a neat little wrinkle to the game. Wanna be an asshole and fake injury? Alright, bet, hop on that NFI list and we can do the same song and dance next year. Your choice, bitches.

Dante84 08-23-2023 09:54 AM

If no Jones, what does the money do for the rest of the team?

'24 FA
Sneed - Let him walk
Gay - Sign (assuming it's not too expensive)
Townsend - Sign (assuming its not too expensive

'25 FA
Creed - Extend/Sign
Trey - Extend/Sign
Bolton - Extend/Sign


We'd still have some good money to spend in FA. Do we attack DT? Do the numbers game thing that we're doing with WRs and Secondary?

ptlyon 08-23-2023 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 17069048)
The d-line without Jones or Omenihu to start the season is not ideal.

Obviously not. But that's what it's looking like.

-King- 08-23-2023 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17069032)
The highest paid C is Jason Kelce. He gets $14.25 APY. Thats less than half of what Chris Jones apparently wants.

A 25 year old top 2 C only getting maybe $15 million APY? Yeah sign him yesterday

Well that's completely ignoring the value of a elite DT compared to an elite Center.

Sure-Oz 08-23-2023 09:56 AM

https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor/sta...ekMikqG5w&s=19

DJ's left nut 08-23-2023 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 17069048)
The d-line without Jones or Omenihu to start the season is not ideal.

That's the part that might just irritate me the most of all.

Don't you think there's a decent chance that Jones is using Omenihu's suspension as a pressure point?

"Hey, the team might be in a bind here. I could A) Step up and help us through it or B) Use it to add a few more bucks to my deal and potentially mess up a season where I'm being paid $20 million.

B sounds aces to me!"

warpaint* 08-23-2023 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 17068865)
I’d prefer a tag and trade next off season before the draft. If Chris wants to be dumb that’s fine, but at least let’s get a 1st round pick out of him on his way out. If he missed the entire season I’m not sure how drastically that would effect his trade value.

They're not getting a 1r pick for him. I'd guess 2r tops, possibly 3rd though. He is no spring chicken relative to NFL DTs.

-King- 08-23-2023 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 17069042)
Is a 31 yr old. DT on the downside of his career more valuable than those 2…?

Did he magically turn 31 this off season? Do you think he's going to completely fall off in the next few years? I for sure don't. He was easily the best DT in the league last year. Even if he declines by the end of his contract, unless he literally has one of the worse fall offs ever, he'll still be damn good.

KCrockaholic 08-23-2023 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by warpaint* (Post 17069065)
They're not getting a 1r pick for him. I'd guess 2r tops, possibly 3rd though. He is no spring chicken relative to NFL DTs.

It’s happened before for lesser DT’s

Tribal Warfare 08-23-2023 09:59 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Andy Reid gives an update on the status of Chris Jones 😳<br><br>(via <a href="https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ByNateTaylor</a>) <a href="https://t.co/6gwqchxw8I">pic.twitter.com/6gwqchxw8I</a></p>&mdash; KC Sports Network (@KCSportsNetwork) <a href="https://twitter.com/KCSportsNetwork/status/1694376032986345828?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 23, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The Franchise 08-23-2023 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17069062)
That's the part that might just irritate me the most of all.

Don't you think there's a decent chance that Jones is using Omenihu's suspension as a pressure point?

"Hey, the team might be in a bind here. I could A) Step up and help us through it or B) Use it to add a few more bucks to my deal and potentially mess up a season where I'm being paid $20 million.

B sounds aces to me!"

That’s what’s gotten me to the point of being over him and his contract demands. I was all for paying him to be the second highest paid DT in the league. But now you’re not going to show up for 8 games even though you’re under contract and being paid pretty damn well? **** off, Chris.

Tribal Warfare 08-23-2023 10:00 AM

The Michael Bay post was more ominous than we thought

Jerm 08-23-2023 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 17069066)
Did he magically turn 31 this off season? Do you think he's going to completely fall off in the next few years? I for sure don't. He was easily the best DT in the league last year. Even if he declines by the end of his contract, unless he literally has one of the worse fall offs ever, he'll still be damn good.

No, I know his age….I was talking about in the future, JFC….

Maybe he’s still elite by the end of this year but I know what the past says and it says that DTs start to trend down pretty significantly in the NFL after age 30…

Sorry I don’t want an albatross of a contract for maybe 1, 2 years of elite play if we’re lucky…

Woogieman 08-23-2023 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 17069048)
The d-line without Jones or Omenihu to start the season is not ideal.

No it's not, but it sounds like another great chapter in the "Mahomes-Era Chiefs" story...if they make the SB without a significant contribution from their best D player, not even the dumbest of Florios can doubt his GOATness. Did it without Hill, did it with a 7th rnd RB, did it without Stone Cold. All before 30.


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