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HolyHandgernade 10-02-2011 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 7963261)
Travel costs mean nothing in any of this. Football by far incurs the most travel expenses, and Texas plays football wherever it wants now.

It isn't just travel expenses in costs. Right now, parents can go to the majority of their kid's athletics contests. But, if Texas puts its non football sports in the ACC, how often can they go now. All of their away games are major trips for a family, whereas now Baylor, Tech, OU and OSU are all day trips.

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Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 7963261)
So SEC country is a bunch of cultural misfits then? It is that kind of arrogance that has helped create this whole fiasco in the first place.

Well, now you're misrepresenting what I said. I was saying that if Texas went to the ACC or the PAC, they would be the cultural misfits there. You do realize there are subtle differences among regions of the country, don't you?

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Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 7963261)
I do not think we are arguing both sides at all. Folks in this thread have given multiple reasons why Mizzou leaving is good for the school in the long run. That is what we care about. What is best for Mizzou. I fail to see how it is okay for Texas and OU to do whatever they want, with no regard for anyone else, and that is somehow okay...but don't let Mizzou think about doing anything...that would be horrible.

So, it is an envy thing. They did it, so I'm going to do it too? Look, when UT and OU were doing this, I was critical of them as well. You taking up that torch now doesn't mean its any more noble than when they did. You guys were arguing both sides depending on what narrative you wanted to fill:

If your argument was that the LHN was evil and the PAC proved it by not wanting it, then the PAC doesn't want the LHN.

If your argument is that UT is just looking for a better deal like in the PAC, then you must be arguing the PAC will change their stance on the LHN or Texas will alter it.

It can't be both.

HolyHandgernade 10-02-2011 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by UCF Knight (Post 7963285)
Holy, are you a KU fan?

Yes.

mnchiefsguy 10-02-2011 10:14 PM

Seeing some conflicting tweets about what today's Big XII meeting meant. Chip Brown seems to think we are staying, but other tweets say Deaton is playing some serious hard ball. Which is more likely?

|Zach| 10-02-2011 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 7963308)
There is many reasons why. Pinkel has stated he absolutely hates the LHN because he believes it gives Texas a huge recruiting advantage.

All of which have been talked about over and over in this thread already.

|Zach| 10-02-2011 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 7963315)
Seeing some conflicting tweets about what today's Big XII meeting meant. Chip Brown seems to think we are staying, but other tweets say Deaton is playing some serious hard ball. Which is more likely?

Chip Brown is the voice of Texas so this is not surprising.

|Zach| 10-02-2011 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7927467)
You want to develop an elite program, you need to be able to compete with the best.

Otherwise, it's all a joke anyway. Beyond this, going to a stable conference should be the first and foremost priority.

This is new.

mnchiefsguy 10-02-2011 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by HolyHandgernade (Post 7963309)
It isn't just travel expenses in costs. Right now, parents can go to the majority of their kid's athletics contests. But, if Texas puts its non football sports in the ACC, how often can they go now. All of their away games are major trips for a family, whereas now Baylor, Tech, OU and OSU are all day trips.



Well, now you're misrepresenting what I said. I was saying that if Texas went to the ACC or the PAC, they would be the cultural misfits there. You do realize there are subtle differences among regions of the country, don't you?



So, it is an envy thing. They did it, so I'm going to do it too? Look, when UT and OU were doing this, I was critical of them as well. You taking up that torch now doesn't mean its any more noble than when they did. You guys were arguing both sides depending on what narrative you wanted to fill:

If your argument was that the LHN was evil and the PAC proved it by not wanting it, then the PAC doesn't want the LHN.

If your argument is that UT is just looking for a better deal like in the PAC, then you must be arguing the PAC will change their stance on the LHN or Texas will alter it.

It can't be both.

Are all KU fans this dense? This has nothing to do with envy. This has to do with the fact that no one at Mizzou believes that Texas or OU will stay faithful to this conference. Period.

As Zach has stated repeatedly..it is about stability first and foremost. The fact that we get to tell Texas to **** off on our way out the door is just a bonus.

HolyHandgernade 10-02-2011 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 7963307)
I did that because I find it really hard to believe someone with a working brain hadn't seen those answers in this thread.

So if I was wrong at any point I was wrong for assuming how smart you were.

Apologies.

Here is what I originally responded to:

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Originally Posted by eazyb81
I think the main issue would be turning LHN into a legit Big 12 Network, and the odds of that happening are around 0%.
To wit I said:

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I don't understand why the schools that can't support a TV Network of their own don't just produce one of their own? Why does this have to be such a big deal? I bet that network would have a wider audience, it would definitely be able to broadcast more games. I fail to see why this is such a huge stumbling block, if it indeed that it is.
Now, you're trying to tell me its all about stability. This is what I mean about the narrative in your brain that nobody else is privy to. I'm not a mind reader. If you want to have a discussion, you have to relate to me what you think. You chose to ignore that and have now turned the whole thing around like I was always addressing the stability issue. So, yes, in the narrative that goes on in your mind, I'm sure I don't have a working brain. That would make it much easier to fulfill your fantasy of being completely forthcoming in you arguments.

HolyHandgernade 10-02-2011 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 7963328)
Are all KU fans this dense? This has nothing to do with envy. This has to do with the fact that no one at Mizzou believes that Texas or OU will stay faithful to this conference. Period.

As Zach has stated repeatedly..it is about stability first and foremost. The fact that we get to tell Texas to **** off on our way out the door is just a bonus.

Yes, we're all this dense. I'm glad you guys could settle on the stability issue and stomp up and down about that as if it was your original point. Sorry, but your reasoning sure sounded like envy to me. "Everyone else is doing it!"

|Zach| 10-02-2011 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by HolyHandgernade (Post 7963343)
That would make it much easier to fulfill your fantasy of being completely forthcoming in you arguments.

We brought up stability because it is an obvious incentive to bolt the Big 12. It is an obvious incentive for anyone who has, has thought of, or is thinking of leaving the Big 12. It has been brought up a lot as you can see by the posts I brought up.

Yet when we bring it up you act like it is some magical idea that just popped into your brain.

You either are...or are playing stupid.

Zach: We want to go to a more stable conference

HH: THIS IS NEW! I AM INTRIGUED BY YOUR IDEAS AND WOULD LIKE TO SUBSCRIBE TO YOUR NEWSLETTER!

mnchiefsguy 10-02-2011 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by HolyHandgernade (Post 7963351)
Yes, we're all this dense. I'm glad you guys could settle on the stability issue and stomp up and down about that as if it was your original point. Sorry, but your reasoning sure sounded like envy to me. "Everyone else is doing it!"

I look forward to your envy when KU is stuck in the Mountain West when Texas decides to take off and leave them behind.

|Zach| 10-02-2011 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by HolyHandgernade (Post 7963351)
Sorry, but your reasoning sure sounded like envy to me. "Everyone else is doing it!"

And all of your takes sound like a KU fan trying to rationalize the health of a conference his school is stuck in. It has been like this from the start.

HolyHandgernade 10-02-2011 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 7963363)
And all of your takes sound like a KU fan trying to rationalize the health of a conference his school is stuck in. It has been like this from the start.

I suppose it would sound that way to you. Sorry to have bothered you.

HolyHandgernade 10-02-2011 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 7963362)
I look forward to your envy when KU is stuck in the Mountain West when Texas decides to take off and leave them behind.

I'm sure you do, we'll look forward to that day.

Reaper16 10-02-2011 10:45 PM

****ing Christ, HHG. The Longhorn Network is one of the biggest causes of the instability in the Big 12. Your performance in this thread makes me want to punch a hole in my monitor.


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