So much LOL.

You’re literally talking about CJ at the beginning of his career progressing upward and making it seem like it was a scheme thing rather than experience in his first couple seasons where he had 2 and 6.5 sacks respectively. It’s okay - you can admit that you had no clue he had that productive of a season under the old scheme.

Second, where did I say anything about Karlaftis as a future HOFer? What words are you attempting to put into my mouth or is this how you deflect when your arguments are weak?

Third, talk about a weak argument… confusing correlation with causation and really thinking it’s the presence of McDuffie that has led to this uptick in sacks. McDuffie’s first 3 games back Karlaftis had 0 sacks. Much more likely it’s a function of gaining more experience than some natural advantage McDuffie has provided.

Do you believe Chris Jones could be HOFer, because after the Pestilence comment you jumped in with your interjection that his career trajectory will be the same as Jones ascension.being elite using that as a Red Herring .

Mcduffie's return coming back from injury shaking off the rust was the catalyst. The QB's were holding on the ball longer thus Karlaftis had his coverage sacks against Burrow, Wilson, disappeared in the Texans game which some were predicted a 2+ sack game, and dominated the Seattle game on his own steam. George missed tackles are very high in general hence pressures are the "new hidden TDs" jab.

He had a good game against Seattle I won't take that from him, but it's foolish not to believe McDuffie's help Karlaftis prior to the Seahawks game.

Do you believe Chris Jones could be HOFer, because after the BigCatDaddy comment you jumped in with your interjection that his career trajectory will be the same as Jones ascension.being elite using that as a Red Herring .

Mcduffie's return coming back from injury shaking off the rust was the catalyst. The QB's were holding on the ball longer thus Karlaftis had his coverage sacks against Burrow, Wilson, disappeared in the Texans game which some were predicted a 2+ sack game, and dominated the Seattle game on his own steam. George missed tackles are very high in general hence pressures are the "new hidden TDs" jab.

He had a good game against Seattle I won't take that from him, but it's foolish not to believe McDuffie's help Karlaftis prior to the Seahawks game.

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No joke, I gave Karlaftis a compliment but now it seems we should be polishing his Canton bust instead.

I'm pretty happy with what we've gotten out of George in his rookie year! He definitely brings the pressure and will only get better.

I think he becomes a solid 8-10 sack a year starter fory ears to come. Do you disagree and think that's a good pick late in the first if that's what he becomes?

He has definitely turned it up lately on the pass rush. And when he can't get to the QB, he's pretty good at getting his hands up.

Except it’s a backhanded compliment. The kid has been improving every week. Despite the facts showing such you are still saying that he is playing in peaks and valleys or crediting his success to McDuffie’s return. No one here is saying he is a HOF player, but you are being overly critical for no reason more than you never wanted him here.

It's that water polo background. It comes in handy.

Get it? HANDY.

I want him to prove me wrong but if you have to look hard for improvement then it isn't enough because after the 4th game that's when I got critical.

I'll give people their due, but if it's strawman stuff trying to find improvement then it's BS. I want to he wrong without any wriggle room. Nick Bolton proved me wrong, OBJ well that discussion is still ongoing

I like George.

I also agree with this!

Except he has a sack in 4 of the last 5 games plus he leads all rookie DEs in deflected passes. He has 4.5 sacks on the year so far and was literally a step away from a Safety in the SF game. This isn’t hunting for obscure stats. He was drafted late in the first, not #1 or #2 overall. Based off his draft position he has performed well. Also he isn’t a player who started hot and fell off. He has gotten better as the season has worn on and that is exactly what you want from your rookie DE.

And amongst all rookies 3rd in sacks.