A 2 and a 3 for OT's isn't exactly high draft capital for that position, go look at the hit rates, it's like a 5 or a 6 for another position.

That's a good point on Skyy. Small college kid comes into the NFL and is forced into a role he had never played. Kid fails horribly. It's not inconceivable those return failures impacted his confidence as a receiver. Given his size and speed, Skyy was always going to be a longshot.

I think Kingsley will be different, if for no other reason than his pedigree. He is 6-foot-5 and 326 pounds with 34-inch arms. He was already accustomed to big-time athletics via Oregon and BYU before reaching the NFL. He has family support with real knowledge of his situation and the continuing backing of Andy Reid. His confidence shouldn't be shot, but I hope he has instead been humbled by his experience and putting in the work to turn elite his size and athleticism into production.

This is a nice dream, but it is but a dream. They're all contenders.

Those teams are not trading those players. The Falcons are not trading Jake Matthews.

The Chiefs will have to either (1) keep pressing bid until they get Alaric Jackson or Ronnie Stanley, assuming those guys even make it to FA (and both carry their own risks - Jackson in his lack of track record, Stanley in his injury histroy) or (2) tackle it with a numbers game (Keep Humphries, sign another contender in FA or draft another one, and make it an open competition between those players and Morris and Suamataia at TC) or (3) randomly get lucky.

No, I get it. Which is why I said it's probably not realistic. I just meant if ever a big trade opportunity presented itself, I don't want to do it for a draft pick to shore up LT. I want the experienced guy. LT prospects crap out too frequently. It's not a strong draft for LT either.

Stanley is intresting. He started all 17 games last year (for the first time in his career). If you're REALLY convinced he's gotten past his injury issues, maybe you take a chance on him. But you're gonna have to be REALLY sure cause he ain't gonna come cheap. Also, the opportunity to weaken the Ravens is interesting as well. But I imagine he's gonna want $25 mil. per year minimum.

Would you give Stanley 4 years $100 mil. w/ $75 mil. gtd? Because I think that is the framework of what his agent will be looking for.

Seems the Chiefs are going to have to trade for a LT and pay. Bite the bullet now and get it done.

I choose option 4.

Stomp my foot and scream louder until we have an OT that locks down the left side for the next decade.

I don't know why Veach hasn't just done that already.

Me thinks if Baltimore lets Stanley hit the market, Andy and Veach are going to do literally
whatever it takes to get him in red and gold - at least to the same extent that they offered Trent Williams the sun and moon four years ago

Whether we like the final numbers or not

And given it would be a set it and forget it solution mentally for Patrick, I would understand

Talk about overexaggerating. He's not Schwartz, but he is by no means an epic fail at RT.

I feel like Baltimore is the one team that shouldn't spend much on a LT. Lamar is not a traditional pocket passer and their offense is just run different than other teams.

I'd be good with it, but man, they better sign somebody like Humphires or Wills for insurance too.

Everything is black and white. It's either a HR or a bust. No room for gray/nuance.

I mean I guess he could have gotten Alt, but he would have needed to convince Mahomes and company to just tank the season vs winning the SB. Stupid Veach.

The more I read about his contract situation, the more it seems like Alaric Jackson is going to be there in FA and someone who is available for a deal in the low 20s.

If you want a chance to repeat the success of the Mitchell Schwartz signing, he seems like the best bet to me.

Really interested to see how that market plays out.

I’d also still kick things around with Wills, too

Alaric seems like a very good option. Will be interesting to see what kind of bidding war happens with him.

And he comes from a program at Iowa that always produces linemen.

That's like buying a Homeowners policy in California.

It’s definitely better than spending $20 m+ on an average tackle, Like Alaric Jackson. Or a veteran that will be hurt the whole contract, like Ronnie Stanley

I’m not saying I would be totally against it, I just don’t see this regime investing big money in a 32.5 in arm LT.

That's what left tackles cost on the free agent market, dude. It is what it is.

We can't get anywhere near high enough to get one in the draft, so we'll have to pay.

We can try to band-aid it for a year with a Humphries and hope Kingsley improves. But I don't feel great about that if Humphries couldn't even get on the field after watching Thuney (out of position) and Caliendo getting ass ****ed without lube every down in the Super Bowl.

He's the best option in FA

You guys have to understand that other than an elite QB, a plus Left Tackle is the hardest thing to find in the NFL.

Any team that has one, isn't going to get rid of him. It's a cornerstone position that's incredibly hard to win without. You don't ditch them. If your team is otherwise any good, you especially won't, because you won't be drafting high enough to get one.

The only guys that come free are 1)old 2) expensive and the team is cap strapped or 3) not good enough for the team to pay in their eyes.

We got OBJ because the Ravens had Stanley and didn't want to pay TWO Left tackles. The Bengals got him because he thought he was worth more money than we offered and signed for less with Cinci cuz pride.

So.

It's over the hill broke dicks and hope Kingsley develops, or it's over pay for a Jackson, a Robinson, or a Stanley.

All have their issues and risks.

This is a good point. I wasn't aware he had T-Rex arms to that degree.

Would you take Jackson at 21.5 a year for 4 years?

Yes

Basically what I’ve been seeing too.

He’d be an idiot to not test the waters a bit. He’ll start a bidding war.

I honestly don't know.

It's a risk. Man, if it paid off you'd be in really good shape. But it's definitely a risk.

Robinson seems higher floor, lower ceiling?

Stanley I'd be shocked if he's available, but if he is, it's because of his injury history and that's not going to get better.

Matthews isn't going anywhere. He's not that expensive, and they have a young QB that's going to benefit from having some veteran leadership on the line.

So I don't know. I really don't.

I know draft picks aren’t locks…..Kingsley. If I was Veach, I do whatever I could to move high enough in the first to nab Irsay. Don’t like the idea of paying a premium for another FA LT. That hasn’t gone well for us. It never did at QB and it’s not like we’re gonna find another Roaf.

Are we really that sure it wasn't simply because of Reids dogmatic stubborness?

Humphries should've been in after halftime, not that it would've mattered but it at least would've proven this current staff were not clinging to a failing concept like absolute reeruns

Yeah Andy needs a wake up call, a shakeup, new voices, new blood... we didn't adjust worth a DAMN after halftime, didn't do a damn thing differently

I heard Gehrig Deiter on 810 say Tyreek told him at the super bowl he wants to come back to KC.

Unfortunately, this is spot on. Now I'm sick.

Yeah, but he’s also 6-7/330, so he has the bulk and ability to reset against power. So the arms are a little less of an issue than it might be.

Great post.

So if I’m going the FA route give me the cheaper, younger, healthier option in Jackson

If he makes it to the open market and the Chiefs aren't heavily involved because his arms are an inch or so off prototypical then Veach and Reid both need a kick to the dick.

He's developed year to year, he's young, he's healthy, and he's pretty ****ing good.

Plus, he’s actually played LT decently well in the NFL.

The Chiefs are trying to project what he’ll be. They have a pretty good idea.

Get a LT and a HB...evreything else will take care itself... stop playing the 1 score game. You''l get bit.

Good either way. I’d rather bring DJ Humphries back for cheap rather than pay this broke dick any semblance of our cap.

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He's another Raven for life...stay away

Not necessarily the end-all-be-all evaluator either though and I respect Brugler as much as anyone.

He's the 13th prospect on ESPN's board with Simmons at 10th and them being the top two OL prospects.
Zeurlein has him with a higher rank than Simmons.

Shit is all over the place.


All I know is this, way back when Andy Reid said "I want two offensive tackles, a quarterback, two pass rushers, two corners, and I'll figure the rest out."

Well.... we have a Mahomes at QB, two pass rushers (Karlaftis and Jones), two corners (Watson and MCDuffie) and a passable RT in Taylor.

Reid will be fully up Veach's ass to get this done.

I fully expect the options to be:

1. Alaric Jackson
2. Ronnie Stanley
3. Re-sign DJ Humphries
4. Dan Moore Jr

If not 1 or 2 then I think we will try to draft another OT.

I expect Simmons to be a top-10 pick. He's the best OT in this draft and the only absolute guy at the position in this draft. I could be off base with that projection because of his injury but I've seen shit happen. I mean, you better be IN IN if you're going up to get this guy because it's going to cost a fortune.
I do not think that Will Campbell will be seen as an OT. He has TRex arms. There are serious concerns he will come in well under 33".
Banks and Conerly aren't too dissimilar although I see more chatter about Banks at OG. Whichever one goes top-15 probably pushes the other to top-25. You better be damned sure about either of them if you're spending two 1s and 3 or a 1, 2, and 3 to go up to 15/16 for one. I think if one might make it to 24 and that lets you slide up with Minnesota by swapping our 3/66 for their 3/97.
Ersery is a borderline 1st rounder and not a great fit for a team that passes a lot IMO. Foot speed in pass pro is a concern. I don't think I'd feel any better about taking him here than I would taking Anthony Belton in the 2nd or 3rd round.
Jackson from OSU as the LG to LT convert just doesn't jive with me either. He labors in his kick slide and his foot speed going to the pros is a concern. I love him at LG though, beast.
Savaiinaea and Membou are RTs at best, probably RGs.


I've come to the sad realization that we have to hope for another franchise to kind of drop the ball or get really lucky that a guy drops within a reasonable range for us in the draft.

I'd burn picks to get to 15/16. I don't think I could burn the picks to get to 10 though.

not sure how OBJ went from suck to solid..revisionist baseline type stuff I guess

When was OB solid? he wans to be an LT, doesn't mean he is.

I’ll say this for Jackson, his build is near identical to Dion Dawkins.

His arms are 2.5 inches shorter and I doubt the foot quickness is the same, but if he can anchor and he obviously can, you’d hope that’s someone they take a long look at.

We've got too many holes to do that shit at this point. I'm not excited about that at all.

It's totally gonna be Wills.

I hope so. I’d offer him and Humphries to compete then draft Belton in round 2.

never solid in my book..I guess comparing him against whoever makes him look that that

I know you're traditionally really conservative about draft picks but, honestly, the only hole I care about filling is LT. Like you, I HOPE that we don't have to trade the farm but if that's what it takes then I think you just swallow the pill. The rest of the holes are what they are. Pencil in vet minimum guys if you need to.

It's kind of at the point where it has to be fixed, even if that does mean giving up most of a draft to go get a dude at 10. Just be damned sure the guy fits and you're fairly confident he doesn't need to sit on the development train for years. I'd also argue that if this is the strategy, give it all up now. If you miss, well, you're probably going to be in a better spot to take one next year. Hate to be out a 1st rounder. If Chicago takes 1-31, 2-63, 3-66, and 4-132 for 1-10 and you grab Simmons, well so be it in my opinion.

Veach would pay 21m per for Stanley in a heartbeat I'd think.

Honestly, not a bad low cost plan at all.

It's not like you wouldn't have Kingsley and Morris to continue to develop as well. Driskell looked pretty good for an UDFA rookie. At least somebody has to be adequate

I feel like these sites are using our current cap space and not considering that Mahomes contract is designed to be restructured to free up $20M+ in space every year.

I'm really going to love it When Sumateiaaiai becomes the LT that Reid saw in him.

I'd be okay with signing Humphries and drafting Belton in 2 and letting all the youngin's compete... but **** if I'm on board with signing Wills. The guy has had 5 years to fix his shit technique and he's still shit.

Yeah if your price range is under $20M for a left tackle, you're going to get bupkis.

You have to take into mind he is in Cleveland. Why not take a cheap chance on a guy that could still develop.

The problem with Stanley is he only played 1 full season in his last big contract. Missed a lot of games every year. And that one year was last year in a contract year. I would beware of false hope with him

Cleveland routinely pumps out a lot of good offensive lineman. I wouldn't call it a Cleveland problem. Wills needs to put in the work and doesn't. He's been called out as lazy/lacking effort. Even Joe Thomas has said he'd be available to help him out if Wills ever asked and he never has. Yeah, I'm 100% out. Don't care if he was a top 10 pick.

lets face the facts, we cant "fix" left tackle...its a floating every changing amoeba that will be constantly changing every year...There is no fix....sorry Andy

you have to admit signing him would fix a lot of problems on offense if he stays healthy

and then lamar gets beat in the postseason again because he has no LT :LOL:

i'd laugh uproariously!

Fixing LT for the Chiefs is a no win situation unless copious amounts of money are involved

Get the best PASS BLOCKING TACKLE IN FREE AGENCY.

PLEASE UNDER 320 lbs.

A LIGHT PASS BLOCKING LT LIKE FISHER.

Grab a right guard in the draft and let suamatai compete with him.

Not sure about right tackle. I don’t think until we get taylor gone we will be formable at pass blocking fully. Unfortunately, I liked him when we got him.

Stanley is the exact giant light pass blocking LT I’d want. His age is a concern.

Injury history is the bigger concern than age. Stanley is about 2 years younger than Trent Williams when Kansas City tried to get him for the 2021 season. Stanley is the Sammy Watkins of LT's. If you can keep him healthy, he's very good. But there's a pretty solid chance he misses a ton of games like Sammy did. Hard to justify the high price with this type of injury risk.

Idk I never understood injury prone players. Do they just have weaker bones tendons or not take their vitamins? lol. I was injury prone in HS football but I was Xavier worthy’s size so that’s why

Too many holes compared to which teams?

If we're expecting to match the Eagles' roster, it's going to take a lot more spending and cap manipulation with void years, which they haven't done at all.

Fix LT, strengthen the DL/pass rush a little bit, find an above average RB. The rest will fall into place.

What is it with this team and LTs. 132 college teams have them and we can't find one that's good.

Took a look at this Puka Nacua highlight just to see what I could glean from Jackson at LT: https://youtu.be/UUnC2K1tpqk?si=xPCSci06J5r79Q6e

… and I’d need to watch a lot more in totality to be fair, but some of my reservations I think are confirmed. First, McVay does such a good job helping his tackles out and Andy should take notes especially now that are offense is built to run through WRs and not the TE.

Secondly, you’re hard pressed to find reps in there where he’s true vertical setting. Which is what Andy asks of his tackles forever now.

So you’re doing a lot of projecting and hoping it would seem if you bring a guy like that on board. I guess it’s pretty comparable to Orlando Brown in that way.

I wouldn't count Bart out on Stanley. Nate Taylor has been getting sheet wrong since he started at the Athletic. He has no 'effing clue about any of this. After the OL getting embarrassed on the biggest stage, I expect them to aggressively explore the top FA's. The Clarks need to open up the bank this off season.

I feel like the Chiefs can find/have that money if they wanted to pull the trigger, why the sportswriter would prematurely write that? It's a risk though, as everything I have read Stanley is injury prone, and if gets injured we are right back to getting beat down in big games against formidable competition. To me we would still need to find a way to keep Humphries as tactical backup for LT as the lack of good depth on the OL has killed us before.

Sign Stanley and Humphries as the backup in case of injury. It just has to be done, it’s imperative to fix that gaping hole. Then Kingsley can compete with humphries for backup role.

How many elite LT's exist in the NFL? 5? How many solid? another3-5? That leaves 20+ teams wanting to upgrade.

There are a lot of big dudes in this country. There is a lot of money waiting for those dudes. So why dont more try to get that money and fame?

Not all big guys also have long arms but most do. It seems that money and fame would attract more big dudes to chase that dream.

Yep. All of the potential FAs have major warts. Jackson is generally available but is along those OBJ lines. Stanley has injury issues. Robinson is a worse version of Jackson. Moore is a lot like OBJ and Jackson in that he's going to lose to speed and can't handle Garrett. Wills is horrendous. Honestly, I like Humphries more than all but Stanley but like Stanley has injury issues.

Getting a long-term, completely viable option is probably not going to happen but it might band-aid the position enough. In the end, Veach is going to have to keep swinging for our own LT.

Whatever it may be I have 100% confidence in breach to fix this hole. He has a plan and will execute it come hell or high water. I’m not that concerned at this point.

I still think it’s possible Wills can be a hit with a fresh start.

If I’m doing the number game thing, finding a way to get Humphries AND Wills is something I’m interested in. That gives you several guys to throw at LT and plenty of reason to think at least one will work at RG.

Has Wills ever been given a shot at arr in the NFL? He played exclusively there in college. Maybe he’s one of those dudes who can’t flip his footwork or punch.

Jackson looks like a better athlete than Orlando Brown, when I’ve seen him play. But maybe some of that is the system.

Still, they thought they could win with Brown/account for his shortcomings and still operate a great offense. So I could see them being willing to do that again …

This is proof Jackson is by far the best option. He'd easily be Mahomes best LT hes ever had. Shocking everyone isn't excited about this possibilty.

Matt Miller-“with the top 6 tackle prospects in this class, I’ve had a scout say ‘yeah they might be a Guard’”

Even Matt Miller said he’d go the veteran route if he was Veach.

It’s a huge projection to say that.

He’s never been asked to do near as hard of a job as Andy asks of his tackles. It could be fine, it could be disaster.

I don’t think it’s realistic that humphries would sign on to be a backup, let alone be cool with backup money. I do think he’d be open to signing with us to be a starter either with starter money or a short term prove it deal.

Good find. I agree I’m not a fan of Jackson. The price tag for him is very scary

How about this for a possible solution - Andy Reid should maybe quit being so ****ing stubborn for a change and design the offense in 2025 around not asking the OTs to do so much with such little help? I'm fully on board with upgrading at LT as I've made it well known on here, but Jesus Christ could their coaches at least help them to not look so bad? I can't fully blame the OL either when most coaches who have an OL that can't hold up in pass blocking would lean on the run game to keep the DL honest. We simply refuse to do that, even well before the Super Bowl. I know we didn't quite have the RB talent this year, well go ahead and finally invest in some decent talent there.

It seems like they sometimes try to make it as difficult as possible for themselves.

Boy, you sure have posted more in the last week than you have in the last 3 ****ing years. It's almost as if you've just been waiting for the opportunity to bitch non-stop.

because it hasn't happened yet. There is a chance he could get tagged or bet too much out of our price range. Once the Chiefs sign him, then we can get excited.