they would probably be more pissed that Jones passed up $70 mill in guaranteed money after they both have taken less than they are worth...

I'm sure Pat and Travis would love losing multiple starters after this year right in the middle of a SB window for a 30+ $30M avg DT that will start to decline real soon.

None of the "multiple starters" you're worried about losing are more valuable than jones.

Lets package him up with MVS and CEH and trade all 3!!!

Do some of you really think it would be a good idea to trade Jones after the draft and before the season without players in place to replace his production? That wouldn't be very smart.

This starting QB is no guarantee to pan out, so they might be looking at a QB in the draft, especially if they are in a position to nab one of the big names. Plus why would they give up first rounders and a huge contract for a guy who statistically is a year or two from a decline (not saying he will, but the numbers are not on his side)? There is zero reason for Chicago to do this and outside Madden they would not do it.

If our QB needs to put up 35, he can do that. It's not like our defense has to pitch shutouts.

Anyone have DJBILL’s neighbor’s digits? We need a scoop.





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He has this year and next year left on that deal. Unless you think he has one of the biggest fall offs ever, the Rams should be good with that contract.

Now, I don't think CJ should get Aaron Donald money. But he should be comfortably 2nd largest IMO.

I love watching you jackasses argue about things that you have zero control of.

There is such a cognitive dissonance when it comes to how fans feel about holdouts and how fellow players feel about.

And I'm sorry, but Mahomes taking "less" overblown IMO. He signed the biggest deal in NFL history when he signed and will do it again in 2 years. Dude gets $45 to $50mil a year just like all the other QBs that have signed recently.

Man I actually agree with you (despite my dumbassery in this thread today). I've kind of fallen back on chiefs discussions in here cause good discussions are at an all time low here and yeah, I've kind of gotten to the "whatever happens, happens" stage when it comes to the Chiefs. For the most part, no matter what moves are made, Mahomes usually covers any moves that don't work out.

Not individually but 3 quality starters that we could keep instead of lose to free agency absolutely could be more valuable than Jones.

Crazy good times!

Overblown... Kelce and Mahomes deals are both extremely team friendly in dollars and structure based on the talent.

https://chiefswire.usatoday.com/2022...ustin-herbert/

Big fan of the K City Chiefs

Headline has nothing to do with article. Mahomes had the 2nd highest cap hit last year and will have the highest one this year. He has around the same aav as the most recently signed QBs. And that's OK. He fully deserves it. But the narrative that he took so much less is weird.

And Kelce was the highest paid tight end when he signed his deal too. He's only underpaid when you compare him to Wide Receivers.

Did you even read the article.... LMAO. So it is your position that neither Kelce or Mahomes are currently on team friendly deals. They are the future GOATS and are underpaid by choice...

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Offer him a 4 year deal for 29 mill a year with a 80 mill guaranteed and extend Bolton and Sneed.

How are they underpaid when they both signed their deals at the top of the market at their respective positions?

I remember when Mahomes signed his deal and we were all celebrating how it would allow us to re-sign most of our great players because it was so "flexible" and team friendly and structured in a way we could move money around to keep players/sign FAs. That really hasn't planned out.

How is this any different from the contracts all the other top QBs have signed? I don't get it to be honest.

Offer him a tardy slip.

Both Aaron Donald and Tyreek/Adams deals were like $5M above the previous ceilings for DTs and WRs

Mahomes and Kelce are more valuable and could have tried to bend the Chiefs over a barrel.

They didn’t.

But they both were the highest paid at their position when they signed. A year or two later, any deal looks like a bargain because it's just going to keep going up.

Is it time to blow it up and have a rebuilding phase? What can we get in a trade for Mahomes?

Repost from after the Hill trade??

Mahomes don't even know what rebuilding means

I think the Hill trade and success has warped some minds on the subject.

Losing elite players generally doesn't go well.

Correct, potentially losing a combination of Bolten, Creed, Smith, and Sneed do to overpaying Jones wouldn't go well for the long term outlook of this team. We have Jones rights for 2 more years worst case scenario. This year hard dollars at $20m(not cap) and next year at $33m for an average of approx. $26.5 for 2 years. Jones is absolutely insane not to sign at $27 per with guaranteed $ of $70m.

Chris Jones got his mega contract 9 days after Mahomes got his back in 2020 LMAO

Overpaying players on the verge of the precipice is worse.

Losing a slot CB, an offball LB, a C and a RG?

I mean, they're all really good players but come on.

He's 29.

I feel like we're overplaying the age thing a bit.

I'm not against trading him, hell, I'd have done it before the draft if that's the route we're going. But he's a top 10 non QB player in the leauge, right in the middle of his prime. I don't think losing a guy like that is gonna be easy to replace.

So you don't think they knew the # back in March? That just came out of no where?

Ok? So when Mahomes still had to play a year of his rookie deal?

What's the difference in position the chiefs are in now as opposed to other teams with top paid QBs?

The most versatile defender on the roster, the Chiefs record holder for most tackles in a season, and 40% of the offensive line that protects the heart of the franchise, including the best C in the league? Jones isn't valuable enough to make up for losing those 4.

That's why they're keeping him this year. He's still very good. But once these bigger guys hit 30 you just never know. If you trade him next year 30 a team might be getting a year, maybe 2 (doubt it) of his prime.

He's at that point where he's at the top. Only where to go now is down

What about him has shown that he's slowing down or on the verge of slowing down?

Yes, they're all good players.

Jones or no Jones, they aren't all staying here.

Or you know, stay on top for a couple years?

It's a good thing Jones hasn't shown any signs of being that guy.

Why was no one advocating trading him before the draft of his age was such a big deal and his impact apparently isn't as great as many of us thought?

Agreed, but I wouldn't want to lose any of them due to signing a guy who habitually vanishes for long stretches in non-contract years.

He purposefully took less money to help keep Chris but now we're getting into the meat of the contract. It's also why Florio has been endlessly bitching.

You aren't looking at his age. You think Veach is comfortable paying a 30+ year old that big of a cap hit? Bc if he gives him this deal that's what will happen. He probably wants to structure it properly.

Veach has only paid one 30+ guy a 3rd contract (Kelce) and it's bc it's a bargain compared to guys like Chris wanting almost 3X as much.

Veach made a big mistake with Frank Clark's contract. I think he wants his structure to give him an out in case of injury or the very real chance that Chris Jones declines in year 2 or 3 of the deal.

The Sneed talk is pretty much a non starter. He's hitting FA, the Chiefs have that decision baked in. I doubt anyone around here is gonna wanna pay him....JC Jackson money? I mean, he'll ask for that especially if he hits FA.

Creed is probably gonna reset the C market at 16/17 million a year. I'd guess we get the same hoopla around here as we usually do on that

Then you get Smith probably wanting 14 or so a year.

I never said trade him but I did say I wasn't sure we could pay him what he wants and that's correct. I didn't think he wouldn't show though.

Jones is getting bad advice. No team is giving him that insane AD deal at his age.

If someone offered two 1sts and 3rd would yall do it?

If Jones hits the market as a FA, I'd imagine he'd get 30 a year.

Before the draft? Sure.

Now? Probably not.

I don't know what those 1's are. You end up with pick 29 this year, 27 next year and an end of the 3rd rounder.

That do it for you?

Hell yes

You don't do it now because you don't know what the picks will be. Look at the Raiders and the Khalil Mack trade.

Yeah unless we roll the dice, and trade him to someone like Texans or Patriots and we potentially end up with a top 10 pick.

Look I'm just trying to get Harrison Jr on this team

We can find great WR's later in the draft.

If they get a top 10 pick, you can pencil in a LT.

because he said he wanted to be a Chief and play for no other franchise... He can be the 2nd highest paid DT all time and make $2-$3 million more than the 3rd highest paying guy, but he is now asking for $31m. If he was demanding that before the draft, most would have been on board with that decision, however, it may not yield what many think. You may get a 2nd and a later pick, but your not getting the Tyreek haul. We have control for 2 more years, but next year would be tough without restructuring with the large cap # under the franchise tag. This puts all the pressure on Jones to get a deal done. He loses over $1 mil if he doesn't report this week for missing Sunday's game.

Let's say he shows up and plays. After forking over 500K in fines do you think he will just go all out and give his best? He clearly thinks his tiny 20 mil for this season isn't enough to go to camp.

McDuffie is better than Sneed and everyone will see that this season. Love Sneed but he's expendable.

Highest paid C is Kelce at $14.25. Creed at $15 million is a flat out steal, especially with the cap rising. Do it yesterday.

Unfortunately guys like Sneed and Trey are out. Sneed is easily getting at least $14 million APY (maybe more) and Trey is likely getting at least $18 million APY. Just can't keep them all with the cap.

Bolton is the one that will be polarizing bc his coverage skills are average but he's done so much and they love him. He's gonna be the leader when Chris is gone so I think they pony up and give him at least $19 million APY.

If the Chiefs tag him next year, they won't have any cap space to go looking for any free agents. You'd probably have to extend or cut Thuney, make a few other moves to free up some $. The Chiefs will want to get value back and have some control over where he goes, so they won't want to just let him walk.

You don't want to pay a DPOY candidate who's 29, but you'd want to pay an off ball linebacker who struggles to cover in a passing league 19 million per year?

Getting Creed at 15 would be a steal, it won't be 15 though.

He's still only 23, also.

Bosa this year then Parsons next year will probably pass Donald financially. Then you've Garret with no more guaranteed money so he's gonna go lookin for a raise.

Until he does. Why do you think he’s an outlier?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Developing: The Chiefs are unwilling to make Chris Jones the highest paid defensive tackle in the NFL, per a league source (via <a href="https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ByNateTaylor</a>)<br><br>Full story here: <a href="https://t.co/O53E1QkheM">https://t.co/O53E1QkheM</a> <a href="https://t.co/aSMyW4oT27">pic.twitter.com/aSMyW4oT27</a></p>&mdash; The Reid Option (@ReidOptionKC) <a href="https://twitter.com/ReidOptionKC/status/1689634305914347520?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 10, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

You must not watch much of Bolton if this is all you see in him. He's no Deion Sanders, but the guy is a stud.

He isn't. AD signed his crazy deal and fell off the map. Call it a down year or call it getting old or lazy. Fact is he didn't come close to being worth it and Jones won't either most likely. Last year he was worth 30 mil but that's a big long shot happening again.

If true this is significant. If he wants to be the highest paid DT, then it will be hard for KC to do that. I always thought Jones was looking for #2 DT money.

They've been talking about Tranquill playing those snaps for Bolton in passing situations.

Why would they do that?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">He adds that Chris Jones is looking for a contract that makes him &#39;at least&#39; the second-highest paid DT in the NFL. <br><br>This is the first time we&#39;ve heard that the Chiefs aren&#39;t willing to go as high as Aaron Donald.</p>&mdash; The Reid Option (@ReidOptionKC) <a href="https://twitter.com/ReidOptionKC/status/1689652503884038145?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 10, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I love CJ, I really do.....

But I need to keep Creed, Bolton, Smith.

He's not even close to being worth Donald money. Hard pass.

I read Nate's article, I don't remember seeing that. But there's no way they'll pay him more than Donald.

Everyone wants to keep everyone.

Say Creed comes asking for 20 mil a year. He'll have been the best C in football for 3 years and with teh cap rising and inflation, he'd probably be justified to get that.

We ready to do that?

Center and Tackle are the hardest to replace.

The current Chiefs regime hasn't had a problem replacing C's.

LMAO injuries happen in football. And despite that he was still good. Dude had one of the best runs in football history and has a down year now it's "he fell off the map" LMAO

Using this logic, I don't get why people want to even pay Chris Jones $25 mil a year. If he's going to fall off the map when he turns 30, what's the point?

So Quinten Williams is the 2nd highest DT at $24 million and CJ wants to be at least #2 so not sure why $25-$27 million wouldn't work. But sounds like he wants $30 million and no way the Chiefs will pay him that.

What? Center isn't hard to replace and there's no way in hell they should pay $20mil for a center.

Because he not the best in coverage. He's a stud in everything else.

Sure...and I'm not paying $19 million a year to a LB who is meh in coverage.

This is a comment really taken out of context in the article. There's no reporting that that's what he's looking for.

The entire article is an overview of the situation with quotes from an ex-GM (Randy Mueller) and adds nothing substantive aside from the fact that no one in the organization thinks he's reporting prior to the end of camp (August 17th).