I think his route running was a little overlooked as well to be honest. I.mean I probably see what I want to see there but he always looked capable of setting guys up

We can only hope that he has such great hands!!

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Ross in the Rice thread.


Ross and Rice.


Ross...erRicey the San Francisco Treat.

How do you pronounce his name? Dude on NFLN said it and it sounded like Richie but with the sh instead, like Rishie. Or maybe he just said it kind of quickly and meant it more like Ruh-she?

Patrick Surtain will pronounce it like this D-A-D-D-Y

ruh-SHEE

Thats why a lot of the pre-draft "scouting" you see on this board has to be taken with a grain of salt, I feel.

We don't have the luxury of seeing them in person to know what their true capabilities are. Sure, you can look at footage online nowadays, but even then it feels like you're only getting half the story. And even with the ability to look at footage, most of the Draft Room guys rely heavily on the numbers anyways. "Oh but his 40 is slow. Oh but his 3 cone. His short, his hand size is small" you get what I mean. And then they'll get frustrated that we didn't pick " their guy" that had all the best numbers and literally cry about it all season long. (see Pickens vs Moore)

Idk, I'm not going to pretend like I know any better than the people who do actually like to scout in their spare time, but I also feel like the people who get paid a shit ton of money to do it know better, and its better to just shut the **** up and trust them.

LOL. I knew he had a song about him, but forgot how much that makes me laugh every time I hear it.

You're talking about a guy that not even the Chiefs drafted. Just....keep that in mind.

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This has to be the most excited I have ever been for a Chiefs draft pick since Mahomes. Everything I've seen so far from this kid just ****ing screams SUPERSTAR at you. I get its pre-season but what's the saying? How you do anything is how you do everything. He just has that aura... he's gonna be special.

Looks like a RAC monster.

Really can't have enough of those when you have a QB that likes to create plays out of thin air.

I definitely raised my eyebrows when he juked that Safety on the big gain.

Still... its preseason. No guarantee he does that in real games, but man it looks promising.

Rashee Larry gonna be rollin 7's all season

They're gonna dust off some of those Sammy Watkins catch/run plays soon enough.

He's perfect for them. Quick in a phonebooth and physical to/through the catch. Gonna be a lot of easy pitch/catch/run plays for 12-15 yards to get drives in rhythm.

Thinking about that game against two future NFL secondary guys before Rice hurt his foot where he lit them up for 11 catches and 193 yards.


This guy could potentially be a PPR monster. He had 13 catches in another game.

Looks like a plodding runner.

I hope he does well, that's just what my eyes are telling me.

He does need to keep a good handle on the ball. The last two catches in that video, one started to come out and the other got hit as well. Just a detail he needs to pay attention to.

Get those puppies checked gramps...

Perfectly fine!

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That sounds an awful lot like Deebo. Did we find our Deebo in the draft?

He looks exactly like he did in college last year.

I don't even know what "plodding runner" means, it's like people can't say he's slow anymore so they're just making stuff up now to be negative.


The fumbling thing is legit but that's correctable

Wait until we play Buffalo and we get to see White on Rice.

And he's due a little credit there. He DID feel that pressure coming and tried to bring the ball in just as the arm raked through. It almost looked like it may have slipped a little as he was bringing it tight and that helped it squirt out.

Maybe just one of those things where he wasn't quite used to NFL speed yet but there's comfort to take from the fact that he was clearly aware of the possibility.

True enough! Hopefully they have him working on that a lot.

If I'm betting on any of the WRs in that room developing into a WR1, it's definitely Rice.

I feel great about Rice/Skyy/Ross. If Toney could just stay healthy, that's a really talented young group that's also cheap for the next 2-3 years.

I'd bank on Toney because IF he stays healthy, he has every tool to be a truly dynamic weapon.

Rice doesn't have a 5th gear.

Which doesn't matter much if he's just out there destroying creation as an X.

I think Rice is the most likely of anyone we have to be a 1,000 yard receiver in the next 3 seasons. But I think if we're gonna have a true top 10-15 weapon at the position, it'll be Toney.

Feet look heavy, like Baldwin.

Also, I'm being negative? I thought this was a football message board where people discuss what they see. Being negative is saying something and hoping above all else I'm right even though it hurts the team. I want Rice to be awesome and to be completely wrong.

Toney's upside is absolutely the highest. No disagreement there.

I'm just not betting on him because of the injuries.

That's what makes Richie James so refreshing. I think he is a nice complementary WR that gives you some of what Toney does, which is why I hope they bring back Toney slowly.

It's pretty clear they didn't like Hardman's ability to run routes and play the position, so they went with James who isn't as fast, but can play the position at a higher level.

We don't have a top level 1, but we've got a lot of guys who can be a WR2 or WR3 and with Mahomes that's more than enough.

Great job by Veach and his staff finding quality WR talent at a cheap price

I kinda know what you mean, his feet don't look...light? Nimble? I dunno, maybe a little flat? But he also looks pretty damn fast and surprisingly shifty, which chimes with his college YAC. If his feet look like stone but he's rapid as f*** i don't really care!

I haven't seen enough of him TBH, none of us really have. It was just a gut reaction, and all my bad memories of Baldwin and the same reaction I had to him came roaring back.

Many of us said after Hill was traded that it's a more efficient use of Patrick to give him 3 good receivers than a great one and shattered ass.

Because Mahomes doesn't need a great receiver to be productive. But he can't so much bring roster chaff up to NFL caliber starters, either.

There's diminishing marginal returns on talent at WR once you get past 'NFL' level. He can't make much more out of Hill than Hill's capable of on his own. And he can't make Demarcus Robinson into a 700 yard guy.

But give him 3 Richie James sorts and he can get more out of them than you'll pay for. And that's absolutely critical going forward as he's not getting any cheaper and the caps not gonna get any easier to navigate.

So cap efficiency is critical and more depth is going to yield more efficiency for us than more ceiling.

Nah, Deebo has a completely different body type to the point he can play RB. Deebo quick twitch is a little quicker than Rice BUT Rice is a very good route runner and where he gets his separation. I just wished he would have caught that first pass, that would have been the 'cherry on top' to a very good night.

Ritchie James will be the complete WR that Hardman should have been.;)

Would you equate him to an Antonio Brown in his prime as a Steeler type of potential or even better??

Rashee officially ran a 4.51, so he's no Hardman. But he's apparently already worlds better at running routes, so I'll take that with a QB that has pinpoint accuracy on his passes.

This will definitely make up for those 2/10ths in the 40 for sure.;)

You won’t get those slants broken into 70 yard tds like hill did but who cares

Give be 25 yard plays all day everyday

No.

Brown in his prime was a Hall of Famer. A legit top 20 all-time receiver. He's not peak Brown and 'even better' is crazy talk.

He's a hard comp, really. Maybe Keenan McCardell? Hell, maybe another Keenan - Keenan Allen.

A smaller aj brown seems appropriate

I'd take a Keenan Allen on this team. One without the dickish diva attitude, anyway.

I don't know if you are trolling or not, but I also thought his feet looked like the were wearing concrete cletes.

Not that he was slow, exactly, but his leg and foot speed visually looked sluggish.

But, it is probably just a different looking stride than I am used to seeing, because he isn't slow. He doesn't look fast, but he isn't slow.

Rice is such quick twitch. He's probably going to get alot of the Mecole sweep snaps and gadget routes.

Ahem..

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Never even thought of Aiyuk. Might be a winnah.

Jon Baldwin??

GTFO with that nonsense.

Not trolling, I see the same thing. Not trying to be negative, either.

Aj Brown is more appropriate cause he just doesn't have the swiftness of Aiyuk to me. Like Notorious said, his feet are a little heavy. He can move well but it's not like Aiyuk/Deebo/Sammy Watkins. He moves like AJ Brown or Dwayne Bowe.

I always thought that if I watched Tyreek Hill run all alone that I might not realize how fast he is.

It’s when I watch him effortlessly blow by safeties in spite of the fact that he’s running in slow motion that I realize the generational talent he has.

Rice, though obviously not as fast as Hill, got separation beside sprinting defenders despite looking like he was running with Buicks on his feet in the game.

CP: Rice is slow, a plodder, looks like he's got Buicks on his feet.

also CP: Rice is such quick twitch, he's probably going to get a lot of Hardman's jet sweeps.

LOL

Mostly he looked like he was fast enough, to me anyway.

There was that one jet sweep he ran though. He got tackled behind the LoS. Think that was him. He didn't look fast on that one. Though I'm not concerned that we actually need Rice to run jet sweeps. We do have other guys that can do that if he can't do them well enough for Andy.

I wouldn't presume to know more than Andy, but it seems to me that jet sweep type stuff is better executed by jitterbug types than bigger, long striding WR's.

But that's just me.

Rice (and Ross too, while we're at it) are bigger, long striders. They're not going to 'look' fast until you notice they're outrunning CB's and S's down the field (like Rice's nice long one last night).

Hill just skewed everyone's perspective I think.

they say ol Dave Lane had some great YAC yards when they sll used to meet up and play flag football.

To borrow a joke from Mahomes:

I had no idea our WRs were this slow. They should make them check in as eligible receivers every time they're on the field

Hardman was so damn good at jet sweeps. The way he could plant and turn up field always impressed me.

I don’t see a natural on the team for those this year. Toney would be the obvious pick, but I don’t need him taking any unnecessary hits.

Moore is probably the next in line. He’s quick and slipper enough, but he’ll likely never break one.

Who would have thought different people have different opinions about a rookie we haven't seen play much yet?

Rice looks like AJ Brown to me

If he is AJ Brown, that would be so great.

Heck I'd settle for him being Dwayne Bowe.

I'm going.to be disappointed if he doesn't live up to his namesake Jerry Rice TBH

AJ Brown has like 20 pounds on Rice, though. That’s significant.

Only real negative thing at this point is he's had the dropsies hopefully he gets all of that out of the way

Eh, wrs drop balls. It is what it is.

Meh, he dropped one yesterday, but then proceeded to have an incredible day.

Of course, Trav dropped one as well. Let's hope he turns out ok.

But Kelce is a hall of famer. I think Rice will be a good player but he has had several drops this pre season

Exactly my point; Hall of Famers drop passes as well, even in playoff games. Not at all surprised a rookie dropped one or two. Certainly nothing to worry about.

I'm not saying it's anything to worry about I said it's been the only negative thing to say about him. This was in his scouting report as well.

I thought James looked good on his jet sweep, picking up 9 yards

While I agree… Kelce is WR1 whether we call him that or not. He’s as good as a “WR1”, at half the salary of one. I have nothing but faith in Veach/Reid/Mahomes, but I hope one of these guys turns into WR1 because we only have so much time left with Zeus.

Did he really say that?

He said it about Gehrig Dieter years ago

he's had 2.

Both of which came on his first target of the game. And in both games he shook them off and caught everything else that came his way.

I'm not too worried about the drops. Yet.

I think he'll get that ironed out as he gets over those early-game nerves with experience.

He did say it but as I remember it, and I could be wrong, as more making fun of Gehrig while also saying how much slower of everyone is than Tyreek. I want to say he was talking about an overthrow and laughed it off in that way, like, “yeah, when you’re used to throwing deep to Tyreek, you’re gonna overthrow these regular guys from time to time” sort of thing.

GTFO with that nonsense. That's a real Wendler of a take

Kelce dropped his first pass Saturday, too. Of course it was a little early,..

It's a Wendler take to say the only negative thing is he's had some drops? Defensive as **** I'm glad my identity isn't a football team. Your a loser man

How many receivers have a perfect ratio of catches in any given game? It rarely happens. The dude had ONE drop. On a hard throw by Mahomes.