Sky Moore isn't even the type of player that Toney is.

Toney is quick twitch and excels with the ball in his hands and being dynamic, Sky Moore's upside is a Golden Tate type, creating separation off the line and in routes as a solid possession guy.

I don't think this move had anything to do with Moore, but i do think it's Moore's snaps he's gonna eat.

But both will share the same role in our offense. Which is to use their short area quickness to get open underneath.

Yoooooo LMAO

Texas Tech HOF dinner is tonight in Lubbock. Mahomes might have made a particular effort to meet up with Toney at the building today.

If they'd get Moore off the punt returns I think that'd help a ton. I'm sure that stress seeing as he doesn't have experience with it and he isn't good at it, isn't helping his receiver development.

I once had dinner with Quentin Jammer and LaDanian Tomlinson.

I'll never forget Jammer's forearms. They were WTF genetic mutant freak-type big. Never knew forearms could look like you were smuggling infants in them.

Lord - look at his feet...

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He's making a hard cut as he's turning his body completely around and then immediately gets back up to speed.

I mean that's just indefensible in a 1v1 situation.

I was really wanting to get Moore on the field because I didn't see another WR I thought could just go out there and torch single coverage on the backside of the play. Holy buckets man, is that Toney's bread and butter.

It really helps keep teams honest in how they cover Kelce or even JJSS. Teams are willing to dedicate a double to Kelce and then even be ready to roll the other safety over to the strong side because they aren't that concerned about the X receiver on the back-side just obliterating his guy on a route. So they'll single up over there.

But man, if you could get Toney up to speed in the offense and operating out of that X position, it's going to make it impossible to roll coverage. You could still double Kelce, but you couldn't double Kelce AND give extra attention to that side of the field for drag routes and/or quick hitters to JJSS. And with enough attention you could actually use Toney to draw safety attention over that lets MVS get free downfield.

His ability to beat man would open up a TON in this offense. We don't have it. We needed it. And he has it in spades.

This is a move for the next 2-3 years. The Chiefs have 2 of their top 3 WRs with expiring contracts after this year.

It has nothing to do with Moore.

As for why that's further proof, people are acting like the Chiefs traded for a WR because they're unhappy with Moore. They've probably been eyeing Toney going back to the draft. They've definitely had their eyes on him since trade runors started in the spring (April which is before the draft), and clealry had discussions too.

This isn't that complicated.

This dude is going to LOVE having a competent QB throwing him the ball now.

Reports are that they loved him in the draft but didn't have a 1st round pick. And trade discussions started back in the spring time.

So.....i finally got my coveted first round WR...

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LMAO You alright, man? Smell burnt toast?

That's awfully strong.

If Moore had gone out there and forced himself into starters reps, perhaps the 3rd rounder they used on Toney would've gone to Quinn.

I think it has SOMETHING to do with Moore. With the obvious added benefit of what he can provide long-term.

And citing their spring interest in him doesn't say much there either. They didn't know what they had in Moore or even Watson. Or MVS or JJSS for that matter. Why wouldn't they be interested in adding to the WR room? But ultimately Moore, with the solid performance of JJSS and MVS, could've made his addition a less valuable use of the asset.

Look at all these dipshits that don't have a clue. Right scrap?

I was typing while watching a YT video lol.

Really hope they just do some simple plays to get the ball in his hands and let him go off against Tennessee. He doesn't need to know the whole playbook to make plays. Just do a chunk at a time. Keep him engaged and happy.

DJ isn't a dipshit.

But he's got a hard on for Moore at this point, so of course he's going to say "well it could be" then proceed to write an essay.

Yes, if Moore were a super star and absolutely forced Andy to start him the trade might not have happened.

But I'm pretty sure the Chiefs like the idea of Toney AND Moore going back to the spring. They will play different roles, and can compliment each other nicely.

It's even more ridiculous from this view..

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There is no way to defend a guy that can break like that.

I was about to write the same thing.

Idk how you defend that in single coverage like that, lol. You can't.

That's what I'm saying. That's Diggs he's clowning right there. And he did it repeatedly. As a rookie.

And let's get one thing straight, I was driving the Toney bus going all the way back to the draft.

I got receipts. I even drafted them for the Jags in the CP Mock, which would've been a hit based on reports if he made it to their pick.

I even have the first post in this thread.

I'm president of the Toney fan club.

Y'know what's interesting about that route, after he absolutely de-pantsed Diggs, he didn't just go 100 mph to the sideline.

That's one of those little variations in the route timing you don't always notice (I didn't from the other view). He knew how much space he had to work with and that if he sprints to the sideline, he's closing his QBs window. By dialing his speed back a little, he was able to maintain plenty of separation but also leave plenty of cushion between himself and the sideline to give his QB a longer time to see him and hit him with the pass.

That's smart stuff.

Kid just needs to grow up. Some never do, but if he does, he can absolutely play this game at a high level.

I think the trade comes way more down to only having 2 WR's under contract after this year, there is no guarantee JJ or Hardman are coming back and the FA class is balls.

I kinda feel like when you were lukewarm on my idea of trading for him, you ceded your throne...

And they're probably seeing that their first 2 picks are going to have to be DL/OT.

They aren't getting a WR like that in the 3rd.

:cuss:

I honestly don't even recall my reaction lol

See that big ol red D there, brah?

That's not great.

Feel like it's most assuredly grounds for impeachment...

And here is how playing with a bad QB isn't great for a young receiver..

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He's wide open from start to finish..never even notices.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Called back by a hold in Week 1.<br><br>Feels like this sort of &quot;2nd play&quot; effort and YAC ability has a place in KC. <a href="https://t.co/heyd9dXtkv">pic.twitter.com/heyd9dXtkv</a></p>&mdash; Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/status/1585719294255857665?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 27, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This is the kinda stuff Mahomes loves for receivers to do...

I’m getting AB vibes

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Well we better hope Pat doesn't go all AFCCG 2nd half again.

If Danny hits him two strides after 38 bails for the deep route, Toney probably scores on this one with his acceleration and running ability. I know there's another S deep, but 1v1 I doubt he tackles Toney, and then he's just gone.

Pretty certain there's a thread where a 3rd round pick was suggested somewhere and I was aaaaaall over it!

I hope they keep giving Moore more reps. The only real similarity I see between them is the YAC and I was kinda hoping they'd give Moore some sweeps. But, man, I mean if there's one guy I'd be happy to be taking those snaps ahead of him it's Toney.

That's a QB that's just way too programmed; no intuition at all.

He's reading the single high, IMO. The safety drifts with Toney so Jones locks in on the vertical route.

The problem is that Jones never did anything to SELL the slant. If he looks to Toney he might be able to get the safety to drive on it and open up the vertical. Or if he at least recognizes he never made the safety commit, he can come back underneath. Because by doing nothing at all, he actually did sell the vertical route, if only by accident.

But he never put the single-high at a decision point. He never forced him to commit so he could just keep on drifting. And Jones was just too laser-locked at that point to work down his progression.

It's just bad quarterback play (obviously). There are so many ways that play should've been a win and Jones just didn't do any of 'em.

Love, love, love the move....if he can be 75% as good as Tyreek this will be a steal...and the offense will explode more than it already is.

Just need to get some pass rush help no.

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Another where if he pulls the trigger at the right time it's probably 8 yards.

Oh yeah - the kid is presently LOADED with crazy.

That's the job in front of the coaching staff. It's not unlocking the talent because it just oozes out of him.

It's getting his head screwed on straight.

Of course. This was always a long-term move.

Matt Cassel shit.

Zero anticipation. By the time he noticed Toney was open, the LB had seen it as well and Jones wouldn't pull the trigger.

He's out there waiting for a guy to be open instead of break open. I don't watch enough Jones to speak to how often he does that, but usually they're like spiders - if you see one, there are WAY more behind the walls.

I always wondered why Jones wasn't better than he is because I think he's a great pure thrower of the football. But that would make some sense - he just doesn't (didn't?) have the necessary anticipation. He's behind the play.

He still doesn't there's a reason they don't have a WR over 200 yards this year...that offense is entirely about Saquon Barkley being superman and doing ridiculous things.

In my opinion the player he reminds me the most of is Dante Hall in his joystick esque movements. Yes much taller but still seems to have his type of movement.

The coaches and team will have their hands full though getting through to him and getting him to be a functional adult. He has displayed some serious bad team characteristics in a short amount of time. But being that he is young there is still a good chance that he like many of us here I am sure, wake up one day and realize what idiots we were at that age in so many aspects.

Hopefully this kid takes this opportunity seriously.

So sounds like he’ll be out when we play them. And possibly Williams won’t be available for LAC when we play them either.

I loved him as a WR for KC, but there was no way he was going to fall to the 2nd round, or even our first-rounder if we had kept it.

Going to be great to see what he can do with Pat.

I always felt from the first time I saw Jones that he had a pretty good arm and arm talent, but a ten-cent head; he just never threw with any anticipation, the receiver always had to be wide open before he'd consent to throwing the ball.

Pat on this play would stare down the outside route and make the S bite on that, then flick it to Toney just after the break.

And when you look at the route he ran in the clip that got called back for holding, look at the nuance of that route. After he cuts around those two defenders on the right, he actually runs a rub with the other Giants receiver, making himself wide open. That's pretty advanced stuff right there.

I don’t have a good feeling about this tbh

On every single one of these, there's zero chance Pat doesn't make the throw.

This makes me happy.

Look! He's using C's! He's already a changed man!

Drink more antifreeze until your outlook changes, or until you lay still and post no more.

Good lord, is it a funny pic angle, or could Toney palm a large pumpkin? He should never drop a pass...

This makes me feel better about it.

Oh, look. It's another member of the "Slow Eyes" club!

Who will be president this year? Daniel Jones? Justin Fields? Tune in to find out!

Fair point, basically a lottery ticket

Now pleeease go get another player, Brett...

No pocket awareness really. Doesn't read his progressions well, either.

See, Superturtle. You were wrong about him!

If someone can convince him to come to practice, take care of his body, act like a grown up, study his playbook and work hard….mahomes might throw him 1400 yds the next 2 seasons, save his career and get him paid.

The talent is there….the brains to use it are the question.

The University of Florida must be proud of their academics right now.

Yep, million dollar talent, ten cent brain. If anyone can fix it our boys can :grovel:

I agree. I think it’s giving him too much to think about and negatively impacting his confidence and in turn his development as a WR.


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He IS well spoken, I'll give him that!

Damn the fingers on this kid look like something from the movvie Alien.

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Too early to get his jersey? Ooh, can I adopt him? Never adopted a player before.:D

He's a bit of a troubled child. Maybe not the best match for a first time adoptive parent.

Practically described me:LOL:

Mahomes looks high AF

Skyy Moore, Travis Kelce and Kadarius Toney all get open almost instantly and make plays with the ball in their hands. On top of that, we have straight up burners with Mecole and MVS and some physical type passing game targets like Juju, Fortson and Gray.

The present and future of this passing offense is so exciting.

The potential of this offense down the stretch is insane. Historically good.

So noted. :clap:

FIFY

that's a crazy grill...

Another homerun for Birth Breech

Yung Joka is his rap name.

You know what this means.

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I’m super intrigued now.

I thought this would be a slower version of tyreek hill (which is still great. It’s just acknowledging that tyreek is a freak of nature). And he kind of is and that’s ok.

What popped off the screen for me is that he can get you a couple more yards. He has tremendous shiftiness to dodge, and plays surprisingly big enough to muscle forward. How many games have we seen mahomes work for many first downs in a drive? It’s really not ideal because you need perfection on every single play and one yardage loss sends you uphill. There are games where defenses will be forcing us to do a lot of dunk and dunk. Our RBs get 1-2 yards sticking us with 2nd and 3rd and long. We could use some freebie first downs where a playmaker can take something short and extend for a first down.

Now, tyreek could do that and turn a 3 yard stop into a 40 yard touchdown. I don’t think Toney is that guy. But I think he can turn a bunch of short stops and turn them into first downs with a little extra on top. That’s exciting to think about. It’s a weapon we’ve been missing for a while.

Worrisome.


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I’m holding off on judgment but there are definite concerns.


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I don't think the Tyreek Hill comparisons are fair.

Totally different kind of dudes. Tyreek was never as shifty as this guy, but has better acceleration and of course straight line speed.

But Kadarius' start/stop is just on a whole other level. He's an And1 Mix Tape dude on a football field.

I don't remember Tyreek ever putting a move like this on someone. This foo' could legit break ankles.

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