You've been satisfied w/ Okafor? He's been a little more athletic than I expected but he's been SUPER soft against the run. He's been pushed around big-time; way too easy to get on skates.

And I feel like there should be a 50% surcharge against any stats accumulated against that Broncos team - holy shit they are terrible. I mean laughably bad. And that's where Okafor got 2/3 of his pass rush productivity (after being pretty much silent through the first 6 weeks).

Okafor's been pretty rough to this point, man. Now he DID have his best half of the season against Detroit and my memory is he got dinged in that one. Maybe he was rounding into form and the Denver game was a continuation of that rather than a blip made possible by a god-awful OL - we'll see if he gets back healthy.

But to this point I don't think he's been worth writing home about, especially given how susceptible he's been against the run.

And how did we go from the offseason saying "Hey, I think Veach knew all along they were switching to a 4-3 that's why he drafted Speaks and signed Hitchens..." to "well what do you expect, he's only had 1 year to get the personnel he needed...."

I've always subscribed to the former. Speaks makes ZERO sense in a 3-4 and was a dead giveaway that they weren't long for that system; Hitchens made more sense in a 4-3 as well. Moreover, the team spent a ton of time in 4-2-5 formations last year anyway (or that 'heavy nickle' they liked to run), which aren't significantly different than what we're doing now.

I don't think you can just give him a pass there - he's had 2 years to bring in personnel for this system and when they're not running their base looks more than 1/3 of the time, then he's had 2 years to get the sub packages in working order and simply hasn't brought in the talent necessary to do so, regardless of scheme.

What's the cap hit? Cuz frankly, Mahomes is going to need a running game. This offense does not scare teams with their ground game anymore like they did with Hunt.

Leveon Bell has 15.5, 13.5 and 15 million cap hits after this year.

Hell no

Alex Mack C Falcons, signed for 2 more years, wouldn’t hurt one bit.

**** no.

Guy has a $13.5 million cap hit next season and his $8.5 million salary is guaranteed (so you can either eat that to avoid his roster bonus of $5 million or keep him on the roster and pay the $5 million kicker).

That contract is poison. If they send US a 3rd, I might consider it but even that probably isn't enough.

Could the Jets take on some of the money from it? How does that work in the NFL?

Eh, he's pretty old.

He's only got 13 mil more of guaranteed money on it, so you could do somethings after right?

The Chiefs could avoid the 2021 cap hit but the 2020 is locked in.

If he wants to restructure his deal in a way that puts ALL that shit onto this year's cap for the Jets, I'd listen then. Have him sign an 'extension' for a year with a signing bonus that equals his entire 2020 salary and then trade him so all that bonus hits the jets cap. Then give him a base salary of about $5 million next season so he still has something to play for and if he sucks we can cut him free and clear.

But with his contract as its presently constructed, the Jets would have to give us a TON to justify taking that deal. Of course they're trying to move him - the question isn't what they'd get, it's what they'll have to GIVE.

As we close in on 5hrs to the deadline, it's eerily quiet compared to last year.

I'm pretty sure the Chiefs wanted him in the offseason at a really low deal, so they may be interested.

If they'd do all that contractually for you, would you trade them a late rounder?

You're shitting me, right?

Why in the name of **** would he do that? He has $13.5 million coming to him next year. What do you intend to do to get a guy who SAT OUT the entire 2018 season to get his paper to decide to give that back?

C'mon man - this is just silly. Bell's not going to simply give the money back and there is no way in the world you can justify further spreading it out for a RB that's clearly in decline.

Once again - if the Jets want to extend him with a fake 5th season on that deal and call his 2020 salary a signing bonus that will accelerate onto their cap, then replace that 2020 salary with just enough of a carrot to get him to play hard the remainder of the year - then I'd listen and consider throwing a 5th their way.

But that contract is Frank Clark bad. There's no way anyone should voluntarily put that on their books.

Boy with Bell you're looking at a year and half and paying about 14 million for it.

It’s hilarious just how bad some teams are in this league. All of that money for Bell and now you’re looking to trade him?

The Lions should offer Slay to the Jets for Bell and some picks.

I mean, the seasons after 2020 don't really matter what he's supposed to make, once the guaranteed money is gone.

If the Jets would take on some of that somehow, I'd do it.

That contract structure is really terrible, guess they felt with all that cap room it didn't matter.

Bad teams stay bad. It's unreal.

Like what the hell is the point in some of these teams signing guys?

The Jets fired the guy that made all these signings...it's a weird situation.

Hell if the Jets can or will take on a lot of the GTD money, sure.

Probably.

Now ask why the Jets would do it? They only have $9 million in cap space right now. And you're talking about accelerating another $15 million onto it. So they'd have to clear $6 million more AND burn up that rollover.

All for the privilege of a 5th round pick?

And lets be realistic, they don't have anywhere near enough time to pull all that off. If that were under consideration, they'd have needed to have been discussing it for weeks.

Bell's a paycheck player - you aren't gonna get him to freely or easily **** with his money. So unless you make him an offer he can't refuse, you'll never get it all worked out by the deadline. And if you're willing to make him that offer he can't refuse, why the hell would you bother for a 3rd day pick?

They're stuck, IMO.

Adam Gase is pretty much guaranteed to **** over a team where ever he goes.

he honestly might be the perfect RB to help take some pressure off of Mahomes

@JFowlerESPN: Despite several teams looking for cornerback help, Falcons CB Desmond Trufant is not expected to be dealt as of now, per source.

And just an FYI....the guy who tweeted that shit apparently has never been right about anything.

He’d be a great player to have here but it doesn’t make much sense for us (Bell)

NY Daily News' Manish Mehta reports the Jets are looking to trade Le'Veon Bell before Tuesday's 4 p.m. ET deadline.

Shipping Bell out of town following a half-season of service would leave behind $13.19 million in dead cap hits over the next two years. Signed to an outrageous four-year, $52.5 million deal with $27 million guaranteed this offseason, Bell's contract was arguably the biggest disagreement between Gase and now-fired GM Mike Maccagnan; Maccagnan was the one making the calls on the Bell signing and the outrageous contract handed out to off-ball ILB C.J. Mosley. Despite wanting no part of it, it's extremely unlikely Gang Green's able to find an organization willing to take on the 27-year-old's contract, which is fully guaranteed through 2020. Mehta cited the Texans, Chiefs and Bills as likely suitors.

https://www.rotoworld.com/sports/nfl/football

Cap numbers and right/wrong move aside, can you imagine the reaction around here if the Chiefs made a play for Bell?

LMAO

Maybe.

But it's also the Jets.

I'd still see what the Seahawks are thinking about with Rashaad Penny.

Never thought he was a smart use of a 1st rounder and probably wouldn't have even used a 2nd on him, but I'd have considered it. With this season and 2 more on his rookie deal, he's probably worth a 3rd to someone.

And for the record, I STILL want Mike Boone. That kid can play but the Vikings have an embarrassment of riches at HB.

The only part of Bell not making sense is the $$$.

Hi, SDSU fan here.

No thanks. LOVED Penny as an Aztec, thought he was going to be a great Pro. Watching him in Seattle, that's not the same Rashaad.

IDK what his playing weight is, but dude has seemed to balloon a bit in the pros and looks slower.

I hate big money RBs but even I would love Hell right now.

The cap hit is a gut punch, but there's no denying that he would add an extra element to an offense that sorely needs it. We need to take pressure off Mahomes and keep D's from just dropping safeties 30 yards back and playing pass every down. With our inability to consistently pass protect, Shady's inability to handle the ball like an NFL player, 2.1 YPC Damian Williams and a hobbled Mahomes, Bell might be just what the Chiefs need.

Cap hit aside, there's no denying that Bell makes this a better football team.

Also, we're talking about Adam Gase and the Jets. They'll give him away for peanuts. Getting ass ****ed on personnel moves is what they do.

I’m not good at this. But wouldn’t the jets still have to pay the guaranteed portion of the contract? Or am I getting that wrong. Because if so, he is a bargain

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jets RB Le&#39;Veon Bell is cheap for the rest of 2019 ($1.06M left in base, $281K in per-game rosters), if a team wants to trade for him.<br><br>Issue comes next year: He&#39;s due $13.5M in &#39;20 ($4.5M roster bonus, $8.5M base, $500K in per-game rosters), most of which is fully guaranteed.</p>&mdash; Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1189213139109400577?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 29, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Not that it's realistic, but could you ****ing imagine:

Mahomes
Bell / Shady / Dam. Will / Dar. Will / Thompson
Hill / Watkins / Hardman / D Rob / Pringle
Kelce


(side note, we still need a TE #2 / TE OTF)

The Chiefs could pull that if they add more of his money into this year actually......

You'd have to think they'd like the idea of giving him to KC to (try) and **** the Patriots.

Ok great.

He can have Sammy's money.

Right! Im IN!!

Hey but seriously....

Watkins is toast after this year anyway.

Pick up Bell, drop Sammy and still save, what, 8mill?

That's possible

Shit, have them both for the remainder of this year.

Still have a WR group of Hill, Hardman, D Rob and Pringle next year.

Bell would do more for this Offense than Watkins ever will.

Yikes, I am starting to like this...

Robinsons a FA after this year, probably gone.

Idk how you stop that offense truthfully

Who's the 'they' in this scenario?

If it's the Chiefs, its just moving money from one pocket to the other. Burning this season's rollover that will be needed next season is no different than just spending it next season.

The only thing that would make this doable is if the Jets put that gauaranteed salary on their cap THIS year via re-characterizing it as a signing bonus.

I would ****ing LOVE if we could somehow get Bell. I know the contract is a cluster****, but God damn if Veach could somehow figure something out......

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Jets?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Jets</a> are open to moving Le’Veon Bell for the right price, per <a href="https://twitter.com/MMehtaNYDN?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MMehtaNYDN</a>. They haven’t gotten calls on him, but are receptive to the idea of moving him, per <a href="https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AlbertBreer</a>.</p>&mdash; NFL Update (@MySportsUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1189208606887030785?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 29, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Do it Veach, go get Bell and no one will be able to stop us.

In reality the only thing it truly affects is Chris Jones, if you don't really plan on keeping Jones it's doable. But you still might be able to swing it......

After this year most likely all of these guys are off the books...
Henne
Moore
McCoy
Watkins
Robinson
Lee
Wilson
Breeland

And if you add bell Damian is an easy cut to save some coin and decent shot LDT is toast too.

That's totally the Jets saying "we'll give him away for like a 5 if you take this money"

Yup that's what im imagining too.

Uh...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">From my understanding, talking to sources, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Jets?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Jets</a> aren’t shopping LeVeon Bell as much as teams are calling them. They heard fire sale, and phoned Douglas to see price. <br><br>Is there a price? Yes. It’s high. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> &amp; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Texans?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Texans</a> most interested. Chiefs have more to possibly get it done</p>&mdash; Connor Hughes (@Connor_J_Hughes) <a href="https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1189216224196079616?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 29, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Give LDT the league minimum and pay him his normal contract money as a team doctor #loopholes

3 different reporters, 3 different reports.

Maybe they want a player? Like a Robinson or a RB in the deal, I could see that. Also the Texans have like no picks.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> salary cap space headed into today stands at $22,674,232 per NFLPA.</p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1189216073842868225?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 29, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

DO IT VEACH!!!!

I keep hearing talk about the Texans....like wtf LMAO they have nothing left to trade.

Not getting my hopes up.

How has Bell looked this year?

The Hughes guy covers them for the athletic so that's at least reputable.

3.2 YPC in an anemic offense.

But Jets fans seem pretty upset about the idea, some claiming he's the only player worth a shit on offense.

So idk.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">PFF running back elusive rating (formula that factors in missed tackles forced and yards after contact per attempt):<br><br>1. Josh Jacobs, Raiders<br>2. Alvin Kamara, Saints<br>3. Chris Carson, Seahawks<br>4. Nick Chubb, Browns<br>5. Le’Veon Bell, Jets</p>&mdash; David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) <a href="https://twitter.com/LombardiHimself/status/1189189945916710916?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 29, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

holy shit guys lol. This would be wild.

He’s one of those rare guys that doubles over as a WR essentially.

Empty sets would be a ****ing nightmare. Not guardable.

3.2 YPC and only 1 TD....but he’s playing for the horrible Jets so who knows.

From what I've seen, he looks good, but he has absolutely no room to run. Pretty easy for defenses to key in on him when the quarterback is Luke Falk or a haunted Sam Darnold.

He'd thrive in KC.

I wanted bell in the off season and our RB group is worse than expected. We get the ball back up 1 with 6 minutes left, Bell would be amazing to have.

Here you go. You tell me. What do you see?

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Bell would be ****ing huge

RB is a revolving door.

Absolutely unstoppable.

I really shouldn't get my hopes up, but........

This is why you are THE Trivia King!

I can't wait for 3 pm to get here and the Chiefs to have made exactly 0 trades

Can we send them Watkins now?

Yes I realize the dead cap that would ****ing suck.

$8 million that they'll still need to pay for the MASSIVE raises due to Clark and Mathieu. Not to mention Hill and Hitchens (and say g'night to your Mahomes extension at that point). Even Okafor is sporting a $7 million cap figure next season.

This is the exact kind of thinking that led to Watkins to begin with. We can't just keep paying for this shit on credit.

No, Bell is not feasible at that figure. Even without Watkins, we cannot afford Bell at that number.

me neither but it would be nice