It can be a fluid situation.. where things can change quickly. Could be that a conversation between GB and Dorsey took place after Ballard was already gone.

That's hilarious.


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He probably just wanted to get away from the week 2 clamoring for the rookie from the fans and didn't have the stomach to fight through that circus all season.

Clark had no choice but to pay Pioli. Clark had to suck it up and spend money to be able to get this team out of the hell hole it was in.

The management that was here the last four years was as good of management that this team has ever had in it's entire history. It was also one of the best in the entire league and this team as it stands today is set up for long-term success the same way the Packers have been for a long long time.

I trust to Terez because he's always had great information about this team that's been truthful. If what he is reporting is true and Clark didn't want to pay to keep Dorsey, then fans should want Clark to step down a new ownership to take over.

You absolutely do not try to fix what is not broken and this is exactly what Clark is done. Losing Chris Ballard and John Dorsey in the same off-season is a tremendous Backstep to what has been One of the best managed teams.

this should come as a surprise to nobody. After all, Clark was the only person in his family that voted to keep that shithead Scott Pioli. If it wasn't for Clark siblings, we would've never fired that guy.

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Here's my shitty list

Nick Caserio - not every NE'er is a pisspocket like Pioli
Eliot Wolf - why would he leave GB unless Gutekunst is already guaranteed the promotion
Brett Veach - most likely, IMO
Lake Dawson - Rooney rule or something (insert Ray Farmer here too)
Peyton Manning - just because. If Lynch and Elway can make that leap, so can he. Unless he wants to go straight to ownership. And in that case, **** it, I'm in. Let him take over for chunt so he can go kick his little soccer ball all around Legends.

In that case either Dorsey lied and screwed us or Clark waited way too long to figure this out.

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I would give both of my nuts to have Peyton Manning as the GM. Imagine Mahomes working with Peyton.

I hate Manning, but despite being physically broken, he could still perform because he understood the game.

I think that can translate to identifying talent. Can he manage contracts? Can he coexist with a guy like Reid, who I would have to think is fairly stubborn and most likely unwilling to bend from his own flavor?

It'll never be Manning, because why would he ever consider Kansas City? But I would love to see the boat get rocked like that.

QB coach or consultant for Manning... obviously yes.

GM? No

Manning isn't giving up his current lifestyle of golfing, making commercials and working one weekend a year at his Manning Passing Academy camp so this discussion is meaningless at this point.

I've been really busy this week. But, when I saw this yesterday I was just like

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You have to be 17.

Dorsey butted heads with Hunt for the last two months?

http://www.12up.com/posts/5178974-re...es?a_aid=41091

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Maybe they have a gm waiting that's better than Dorsey?

I'm not buying Dorsey wanted to go to GB as an out. I believe he wanted to be a Chief GM and that Clark wanted be more like Jerry Jones in meddling with team decisions on player acquisitions. They didn't see eye to eye on a few things and rubbed Clark the wrong way so Dorsey is on the out and Andy Reid doesn't care because he gets a big fat check with his extension and probably bonus money to do without Dorsey.

I have to assume they were butting heads over his contract, yes? What else is there to disagree about?

Clark Hunt can step in front of a speeding car for all I care.

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#chiefskingdom ftmfw

Seems likely that he was pushing for a new contract using the GB opening as leverage. Hunt decided he would pay for one, and not the other. If Dorsey lacks loyalty, let him go to GB. He did a great job while he was here, thank you.

I have read rumors that the cap was a major factor that Dorseys balls to the wall style of churning the roster and spending doesnt mix well with how Clark likes to have space. Clark apparently likes to have flexibility with the cap, like how Pioli always had 20-30 million in space. Basically Clark has no problem paying the pro bowlers/elite guys at the top of the roster but he has an issue with the depth guys getting a piece of the pie too. The Jaye Howards, Sean Smiths, Fasanos, Dunta Robinsons of the world. Dorsey was quick on the trigger to hand out money to pretty much anyone if it would help this team for even a game, but he was also quick to take it away and move on to the next player with no regard, just kept backloading contracts and pushing money onto future years so he can round out the depth. I guess those mid tier contracts to the blue chip guys do eventually stack up, for every Ron Parker you hit on, you miss and have a cap casualty on 2 or 3 guys. The strategy works you just have to have an open checkbook.

Dorsey and Reid are friends, which is why Clark wanted to make sure he had Reid with pen to paper on an extension before he made this move. Completely lock Reid in, from what I understand Reid did know about it before hand, Clark just needed to make it official so Reid didnt have second thoughts.

Which I guess is why Clark wanted to get 1 more draft out of Dorsey and one more offseason, he was just waiting to lock Reid up. He did not want to lose Reid but he had every intention of getting out of cap hell.

I read this all on another site, doubt its true but from a cap standpoint makes sense? Clark chose coaching I guess over talent evaluation.

Dorsey has a great eye for talent, hes everything I thought Fat Scott was hyped up to be. Will probably be the best GM I will ever see for the Chiefs, next GM has big shoes to fill.

Shoes*

Simple
Dorsey can't count. Simple as that. Time to move on.

LMAO give me a ****ing break dude.

typing from my phone, my fat fingers dont cut it, apologies

I'm tired of saying this is about money when it's not. Clark went out and got the best available gm at that time in Pioli and than he went out and got Reid, the best coach available at that time. Hell I mean Clark even stopped Andy from going to Arizona to come to KC. Clark is not cheap. He continues to go out and get the best available at the time. He is a great owner!!

Huge loss. Dorsey was the best thing this franchise had IMO.

Guy was a great drafter and did a good job building thru draft

that money has zero effect on the cap.

Not saying Clark is cheap, just saying Clark doesnt like salary cap hell as a viable strategy and doesnt want to be the next New Orleans Saints

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It's amazing how people kiss Clark's ass. This is his fault 100%.

You don't like Dorsey? Fire him after the season and hire Ballard. The fact that we lost BOTH Ballard and Dorsey is not good. It's bad management.

I find it almost impossible to believe that Hunt is going to blow up the front office after going 12-4 over a couple million per year difference with Dorsey.

If they hire Brett Veach, you'll know otherwise.

Veach is a Reid puppet. Reid will feed Veach the reports and lead him around by his nose to make sure he gets back to taking lineman in the early rounds. Veach may ultimately report to Hunt but you'll be amazed how well Reid can disguise his lips moving whenever Veach speaks...

This is a power move. No matter how you spin it, Andy Reid held John Dorsey's job in his hands. He could've refused to extend had Dorsey not been re-signed and yet he didn't. Because your alternative to that is that had Reid given that ultimatum, Clark would've broomed both him and Dorsey.

No chance. Dorsey is gone because either Reid wanted it or just didn't give a shit either way. I'm betting on the former.

If you can name one other GM in the history of the NFL to take over the worst team in the league and over the next 4 years average 11 wins and then get FIRED after winning his division and getting a first round bye, perhaps your 'we should've seen this coming' theory would have some merit. But I'm betting this is completely unprecedented and as such, 'expected' it ain't.

Focus on a handful of bad decisions if you'd like (as though no other GM has those), but the scoreboard simply does not lie. This team has gotten younger, deeper and more talented under Dorsey. Is there some dead weight? Yup...welcome to the NFL. There's always dead weight. But on balance there's no way you can say Dorsey did anything other than a great job here.

This is a mistake.

Structure and practice are two very different creatures.

You know this.

Face it. You ****ed up. You trusted us.

I love Clark as a owner. Dorsey was great at finding talent but sucked ass at contracts. I think Maclins contract was enough for Clark

If a guy is excellent at 80% of his job and has a weakness that's easily identifiable, you get the man help with that weakness.

This isn't his cap management. If that's all it was, you spend a few bucks and get a cap management specialist (y'know, like the guy we had). And if he's not a favorite for the GB job, then he wasn't leaving this one voluntarily.

Reid cut him off at the knees. Nothing else adds up. You don't fire a guy with the success he's had drafting because of a temper tantrum over how a guy with 1 successful season was cut. Talent trumps, lads and John Dorsey had a hell of an eye for talent.

Are we already forgetting just how incredibly he navigated the draft this year? The guy knew exactly who he wanted and exactly how high he needed to be to get him. He had the plan mapped out over a week in advance. The guy was a goddamn draft ninja.

This is either shortsighted, a bitch-fit, or both. It's stupid.

Terez Paylor said that his sources suggested there might have been some things said during negotiations which really sparked an issue..

Agree. One thing though: We don't know how the power was split between Dorsey and Reid. And I've rumblings that Ballard was the brains behind the operation. He's gone, too. Thing we just don't know is what Dorsey's value-added was. Maybe a ton, maybe not.

Yep. I think this was about long term assurances that Clark wanted for his team that Dorsey wouldn't give him. So, he parted ways sooner, rather than later. :shrug:

Nope. Out.

Never again.

I think Andy has had and will continue to have more overall power than we realize. He's had final say in his contract for the past 4 years, and that didn't change. Perhaps that was something Dorsey wanted more flexibility with.

This tweet from LeSean McCoy a couple months back at least tells us that he saw something in Brett Veach.
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I said something about this earlier and somebody said McCoy sucks ass and his opinion doesn't matter

I don't care what McCoy thinks that has no bearing on beaches ability to run a franchise

It means that he probably knows how to interact well with players, which is key to a good, positive environment. That is part of the job.

If he's pissed about the playoff losses, why not look at Reid?

Because Smith's the cause of at least one of those losses and nothing Dorsey did to the cap mattered a damn bit in Arrowhead last January. Meanwhile, as Tyreek Hill went screaming uncovered down the field, Andy Reid's handpicked quarterback rolled right and overthrew a runningback.

Reid slit Dorsey's throat.

From my point of view, it certainly appears to be a mistake. But I don't have all of the facts.

Clark Hunt hasn't made rash decisions in the past. He let Carl hang himself and did the same with Pioli, who he paid more than $20 million to go away. He's continually spoken about continuity in his franchise and has invoked the Steelers as his model. Therefore, the only logical conclusion is what I mentioned yesterday:

Dorsey wouldn't sign an extension without an escape clause allowing him to leave for Green Bay.

It's the only thing that makes sense. Mellinger came to the same conclusion last night.

Now, as for Brett Veach, he interviewed for the Buffalo opening that eventually went to Brandon Beane. Sean McDermott, who worked under Reid for years and knew both Veach and Beane, is running the whole franchise in Buffalo. Final say and all that. If I'm a serious GM candidate, that's not a very favorable setup.

Regardless, Veach has been a hot name in GM circles for a while, so I'm not certain that if he's hired that it means that Reid has consolidated power and now runs the show. If Reid has done so, it either means that he's extremely charming behind the scenes or Clark Hunt, a former Goldman Sachs guy, is extremely gullible. It's hard for me to buy either.

The bottom line is that Clark Hunt just fired the man that's overseen a Chiefs renaissance.

And we may never know the reason why.

Players liking coaches and or General managers doesn't tend to be a good thing. It becomes personal.

This is just my .2 cents on the subject. I'm shocked and pissed off just like the majority of you that aren't sitting here slandering Dorsey for doing a great job these past 4 years.

I think this has a lot to do with Dorsey potentially wanting to go back to Green Bay. There was a ton of smoke about this last December and I think there was a lot of truth to that. I think Dorsey wanted an out if Green Bay came calling. That and I think he wanted to be the highest paid GM in the league. I think Clark used his poor cap management against him in the negotiations.

I think we will get the truth somewhere down the line. It's really a terrible look for Clark and the stability he has preached with this organization.

I think the real battle is Clark versus Dorsey. I don't think it's Reid versus Dorsey. Clark could have just played this out for a year and not renewed the contract and there wouldn't be this big of a backlash. He's paying Dorsey millions not to be the GM of this team this year. There's something between those two.

So Peyton is a great talent evaluator now? I don't want him as our GM. And Mahomes wouldn't be working on anything with Peyton except a contract. Do you see Elwaynout there showing Lynch how to qb in Dungver?

I don't post much but it's nice to see Penbrook is still a jackass.

Reports this morning starting to say Dorsey was blindsided by this. That seems to say what?

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That this was Clark's call. If there was some discontent with Andy, others would know. Discontent with Clark? No one is going to know.

That's what I thought.

Maybe just me but this doesn't seem like a good look on Clark

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We're 0 for 2 on high-profile acquisitions of people named "Dorsey."

Never again.

Public eye? It sucks.

Professional eye? The job is very desirable. Loaded roster, QBOTF, qb of the present.

I don't think Veach is a slam dunk and actually think Scot McCloughan gets strong consideration.

I dunno. I let also says "I can go in there and be successful and still get fired".

No first round pick next year and the new GM has to like Mahomes. I don't think the kid is for everyone.

I don't care for the structure where the HC and GM report directly to Hunt.

That suggests that Dorsey was a failure.

This is all on Clark.

I think the GB ties with Dorsey are very likely here too.

Bob McGinn has been covering the team for decades, even before Favre was traded for. It's obvious that he has insider knowledge in GB.

I don't think the GB report was speculation. I honestly think there was truth to it and Dorsey was thinking about it.

Flowers restructure was an attempt to salvage a fading asset and was defensible given the state of our defensive backfield. Robinson was a misfire, for sure. Succop and Baldwin's dead money were good things.

Fasano was a bad one, but people here LOVED the Walker signing. He just didn't fit the scheme as well; he was better as a 4-3 player and our attempt at a 3-4 conversion didn't work.

God the Bowe complaints. Jesus tapdancing Christ, the guy was the ONLY good pass-catcher this team had. Does anyone not recognize that the team was tasked with winning immediately? Hunt had a fan mutiny; they HAD to win games. Dorsey was over a barrel and it wasn't of his making. Pioli ****ed him and he tried to save it but couldn't because Bowe got paid and Bowe got fat. Gimme a break with that shit.

Flowers and Succop have already been discussed and who gives a large rat's ass about the $1.5 million on Mays and Avery. Hell, Avery was a win even with the dead money.

Getting warmer, but Grubbs $5 million in dead money wasn't really dead money because the Chiefs restructured his base salary in '15 to create exactly as much rollover as it took to cut him the next year. Care to point me in the direction of the thread where you called giving up a 5th round pick for a Pro Bowl player to replace Mike ****ing McGlynn was a bad idea? That's revisionist horseshit but by calling it a 'signing' you're pretty much outing yourself as ignorant anyway.

Hali is a problem. No question. I suspect that in the end Dorsey got caught flat-footed by Houston's failure to recover and panicked. He should've let Hali go and pursued Freeney. I think he fully expected to let Hali go that's why he let that option void, then he got the prognosis on Houston and freaked out.

Fanaika is dogshit. But hey, remember when that LDT guy they drafted played really good football in his stead? How 'bout we give some credit for that. Even with the dead money, the Chiefs paid $2 million for average guard play. That's pretty damn decent.

Everyone, to a man, thought that Howard signing was brilliant. Guy got ****ing hurt - that's not on Dorsey. Maclin's been re-hashed to death; in the end not a good signing but how can it not be viewed as an acceptable risk. A good young WR who knew the system backwards and forwards. Dorsey paid what the market required. Mauga - who ****ing cares? Mauga is actually a win on balance; a solid little complementary player that cost virtually nothing over his time here. Russel was a miss (but Dane actually said it was a feather in Dorsey's cap for moving on from a mistake...)

The biggest mistakes Dorsey has made are the two 'thank you' deals he gave to DJ and Hali. That's clearly what they are and the NFL doesn't have room for those. Those are problems but jesus they aren't fireable.

Very, very few people that have worked in the NFL, in any capacity, never get fired.

It's part of the business.

I think ChUNT can run his business as he pleases.

But there's a lot of front office guys that love Mahomes. I think having an established coach like Reid also helps.

I don't think the first round pick is going to be any big deal for a guy they are interested in. Depth of roster is the biggest thing.

I don't love it either, but this is the new NFL. Ultimately every management decision is going to be run through Clark.

I'd put up with him to be paid a million or so a year. Getting my resume ready now.

Houston demanded JJ Watt money to extend the year BEFORE his 22 sack season. Houston made himself money for sure, but it's not as though Houston was going to sign at $15 million anyway.

And Berry's contract is virtually identical to what he asked for the year before; it's a little higher due to inflation on the salary cap but his agent tethered his demands to the amount he would've made under the tag. Those demands never moved. Dorsey did as much as he could and when Berry wouldn't budge, he relented. Nothing Dorsey did changed the amount Berry got paid relative to the cap.

People are bending over backwards to defend the indefensible and they're forgetting how all this shit went down in real time.

When they suck sure

When they put together the supposed best roster in the NFL, not so much

There's some chatter that hunt had to step in on the berry negotiations to get them done. Dunno how true though

Dumber move made yesterday: Chiefs fire Dorsey or Bulls trade Butler for ham sandwich?

they traded Jimmy????? :eek::deevee:

I like ham sandwiches

That would be me.

And no, I said McCoy is dumb as a bag of hammers and his opinion doesn't matter.