One thing I don't get. To a fault, Alex had been well versed in running to the sideline after evading pressure, and chucking the ball out of bounds. Live another day, piss off the fans for not trying to keep eyes downfield and zip it to some mythical target working back towards him.

Now, he's bothering to pick up a couple of yards, and sliding late inviting hits.

For such a smart guy, doesn't seem so smart, at times.

Smith's mobility has declined this year. He's now a guy that can buy time in the pocket and maybe convert a 3rd down if things align right for him. He's not a guy that should be running a read option anymore, IMO.

He's not a statue but I think it's hard to say that he's the same guy who's legs were an obvious asset last season. It may be because teams are paying more attention to the threat his legs presented last year or it may just be age. In either event, they need to stop exposing him quite as much.

And yes, he needs to get smarter about sliding late. I think he has beef on 2 plays over the last 2 weeks but the other hits were kinda his fault.

total ****ing bullshit

I've noticed Pete Carroll has asked the same of Russell Wilson. Now that both players have reliable weapons, it's time to use build trust in the pocket. If we make a playoff run, then run for it by all means if necessary

Are you a doctor? You said Smith had 3 conclusions in his career as of yesterday...

If the Chiefs throw Smith back out there in harm's way...I'll be looking forward to it.

Bannable offense. This stuff is psychopath type of comments

Let's be honest most of us were expecting Alex to get knocked out of games because of his build and playing style. He'll treated more like a RB by the opposition because of this.

"Live by the sword, die by the sword."

Dude.

No it's not. Shut the **** up.

Foles was really, really bad last year and was beaten out by Case Keenum, who's nothing short of awful.

As it stands, 2013 was an outlier for Foles. Maybe after a few seasons in Reid's system, he could challenge for a starting position, whether it's in KC or elsewhere.

But right now, he's just a competent backup who needs to work on his fundamentals and mechanics.

Foles was 5 yards deeper than Smith, how so?

Dude....Fisher is an idiot.

I'm not disputing that Foles underperformed in StL. I'm disputing that Keenum 'beat him out' in the sense of a straight up QB contest. Keenum's . . . . humility in recognizing the inevitability of Goff was a big consideration, from the perspective of both team culture and salary considerations.

Rams wanted a day player, not a headliner.

Fisher sucks but Foles was truly awful last year.

4-7 as a starter with 7 TD's and 10 INT's.

I can't dispute this notion but why wait until the last week of July to cut him?

Both parties would have been better served if he was cut at the beginning of the new league year in March.

Maybe so, but this is the exact type of comment you and others would dismiss and label as an excuse, if talking about Smith.

ROFL That "50 yard bomb" that foles threw, literraly sat in the air that seemed like forever, Hill had to stop, run back a few yards, sit there, and out-jump the DB for it....

If alex did that, ppl would be murdering him verbally because he "under threw" the ball. Regardless, what many in this thread may try to lead you to believe Alex doesnt under-throw many balls, and when he does, its not from a lack of arm, Foles literraly put everything he had into that throw, and that was the result...

Again, I am all for legit discussion about topics like this thread is about, but bottom-line is, many people in certain threads, like this one, are unable to have a serious, semi-serious, or basic discussion about the topic because they are so emotionally invested into hating alex-smith, that the same arguments they use for why "alex is bad", they use the same arguments as "excuses" for other quarterbacks not named Alex smith... A select few posters here are hypocritical, to the EXTREME, and they either know it, and are trolling, or are legit, lost in reality, because of some built up-emotional hatred for one football player.

Fisher is a bozo. The Rams defense is saving them utter humiliation.

I don't know if Foles can ever fulfill his promise once again (I hope so) but I also don't think he's ready.

When Smith retires I'd like to see Foles get his chance then and I hope that happens in two years. If he's still here.

Alex's days are numbered. Get used to it. All the hot-air posts you can spew like this one won't change that fact.

You are one of the trolls, my post refers too. I give you credit for being entertaining

Really, because I remember Alex Smith sucking so bad his first several years in the league that they were about to run him out of town before Harbaugh showed up. I don't remember him having a record breaking season during any of those years, either.

Alex got better. And it didn't hurt that he got into a system that was better for his talents and had a coach who knew how to use him.

Translate that as an excuse about Nick Foles if you want, but you'd be an idiot.

was said as a "fact" in 2007.. and he stayed put for another 5 years.


Cockroach Smith.

Football is a young man's game. An old, slow, concussed Alex Smith isn't going to stick around long. Whether by choice, or by force.

I would make the same excuse for Smith on that team. The Rams sucked.

Everyone's days are numbered, get used to it.

You are blowing too many details together here, and it's diluting the simple truth.

Point a finger at the HC, OL, WRs, etc. for the QB sucking = excuse.

That's the rule. Oh, wait. now there are extenuating circumstances to analyze?

Alex wouldn't have the balls to throw it in the first place.

The 50 yard bomb to Hill was not a good throw. Keep hanging on to that instead of looking at the rest of the game where he played pretty lights out coming off the bench.

Another false statement.. You and I both know, hes thrown bombs many times. He just doesnt throw them as often as youd like.

I was just thinking this. Here is the Foles bomb. Huge amount of pressure, which affected the throw. But Alex would have been running. That is a 50-yard throw. Alex doesn't throw the ball 50 yards under that kind of pressure.

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I've never seen a board more pissed off after a win. We're truly a dynamic forum. Probably the best out of all NFL teams. It's like Morton Downey met the founder of the National Enquirer and posts their thoughts through a drunken Andy Dick's fingers.

The 20 yarder to Conley wasn't good. The 5 yarder to Harris wasn't good. The flat out whiff to West wasn't good. He was behind on a couple of other crossing routes though I don't recall where he was going with those.

You don't have to oversell his performance; he played well in a tough spot. That said, he's a 5 year veteran that's been in this system before and was playing quite possibly the worst secondary in football. In so doing, he was solid, but most assuredly not 'lights out'.

Smith would have gone fetal the second the guy smoking Schwartz got on the same yard line.

Seen it before on here, but does it really seem like people are pissed off this week?

Just looks like some are stretching what they can in desperation of a QB controversy. Totally expected.

Think everyone's thrilled this week to be 5-2.

Actually it turned out to be good that it was under thrown because the DB was running side by side of Hill, and wasn't looking at the ball. Hill stopped and the DB kept running, turned out to be a "good" throw :), by the way its not hard to underthrow the fastest guy in the NFL. Especially on your first rep back from being a backup. DID YOU SEE HOW LONG THAT THROW WAS? IF IT WAS NOT UNDERTHROWN IT WOULD OF BEEN IN THE AIR FOR LIKE 70 YARDS LOL!

That deep ball by Foles was NOT a good pass.... BUT at least he had the balls to throw it up and let his talented team mate go make a play.
How many perfect passes was Calvin Johnson catching from Matthew Stafford? Peyton Manning sure threw some ducks downfield.

The whole point is... defenses DO NOT respect Alex Smiths lack of downfield presence, and therefor game planning against him should be much easier. While Foles' pass was ugly, it immediately changed the reputation of this Chiefs offense, and opened up those little bubble screens that Andy Reid LOVES to call.

To me, the successful teams in the NFL seem to be the least predictable ones. Alex Smith is predictable.

For the past few years all we have heard from Alex Smith fans is "he needs all star receivers", "he needs a great oline", "he needs a great defense".
I think good QB's are going to make those players around him better, they are the leader of the team.

Can you imagine Alex Smith in a huddle trying to motivate someone to play better, when he is too scared to take a chance throwing a lower percentage pass play? Our Receivers looked like they actually had FUN yesterday.

< This Chiefs fan is actually excited about the future for once. It could all blow up in our face, and Foles could be an absolute bust... but at least we will know and can move on. We KNOW what Alex Smith is, just like we knew what Matt Cassel was. Some people will keep making excuses, while others will want and expect to be more competitive.

But up until yesterday, pointing out that Smith wasn't lighting up bad Saints' or Jets' defenses was "trolling".

He played well in a tough spot. Better than Alex, and Alex was actually having a pretty good game. It wasn't perfect. But it sure looked lights out compared to what we usually get to watch on Sundays. You don't have to undersell his performance.

It was late and over the middle.

He did that same bit of idiocy in the pre-season and I gave him a pass because it was 3rd and long and a pick would've been the same as a punt.

But you simply do not make a throw late and down the middle on first ****ing down. That's the kind of play that shouldn't be made and if you make it against any kind of quality defense, your best hope is a penalty.

Judging process is always more predictive than judging results and here the process was exceptionally poor. It was bad execution of a worse decision. That ball should've never come out as he had absolutely no way to throw it far enough for Hill to run under it. The underthrow was the only thing that could've happened there and he's lucky that Hill bailed him out.

This is a bad example considering Alex did this on a similar play in 2013 in the same building against the same team.

When QB's can STEP UP in the pocket, they usually have great success.
I've seen Alex Smith do it a few times, and when he does it... it works.

Most of the time I see shitty QB's go fetal.

I'm happy

We're fine

We're doing fine

We are going be fine

Just can't wait till Justin Houston comes back and we will really be fine

No one cares about 2013 Alex Smith. That player is long gone.

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watch the line closely.

Smith would have stepped up the same, but would have run up the middle.. with Fisher's guy breaking away to tackle Smith for a short gain.


Don't know about ya'll, but I do see the QB2 come in and spark a team with courage. Got nothing to lose, and are eager as hell to make an impression. Give them games as QB1, and they start to show the warts.

I'm not saying this would be Foles. I have been complimentary of him, and still will be until he shows otherwise.

.. but it's true. Chucking up passes can have big rewards.. but we all know they can badly bite you in the ass as well.

Push for this guy, push for that guy, whatever. I'm just gonna enjoy whatever the ride brings. I'd prefer it be Smith, but if Foles is clearly better, bring it.

I cant even if i ever heard an "alex smith supporter" say "its a good thing he 'underthrew the ball" you would have a field day with that, call bull sh*t and say how much of a reerun said poster is for ever saying "underthrowing a ball" is a good thing

Again, your hypocritical af simply put. Next time alex smith underthrows a ball to a WR, and WR catches it.. imma be looking for you specifically to say how good it was that the quarterback underthrew the pass..

of course SSJ and Petro are all on board with moving ahead with Foles and excited... and here is douchebag Keitzman sucking more Alex Smith dick.

I just don't understand what you folks don't get here.

He's not going to light up bad secondaries. It's not his style of game. And he's not going to get his ass handed to him by good ones either.

Foles is a hollow stats quarterback that can pick on weak sisters but he'll kill you against high-caliber competition. Granted, that's simply my opinion based on his past body of work and my general disdain for his kind of QB (less methodical; more balls to the walls). Perhaps he's broken 3 years of bad habits in the span of 2 months.

But I see a slightly more polished Bray when I watch Foles. He's like those fireballing pitchers with amazing stuff and poor command. They're fun as hell to watch when they're facing overmatched opponents but when you get them out there against a smart, patient ballclub, they'll get their asses kicked and you'd rather have the patient veteran working the corners.

There could be some legitimate discussion on his strengths & weaknesses, and there has been some, but it gets lost in all the hyperbole from both sides of the argument. The Alex fans make a lot of excuses as to why his teammates are holding him back - the non-Alex fans make a lot of excuses as to why he's the worst QB ever. It's a never ending circle.

He's not a flashy QB. Won't win you many games on his own, but won't turn the ball over making it harder to get wins. Nothing wrong with it. Translates well in regular season, not so well in the post season. We are reliving the 90's. All those wins were great, but we never got the one we wanted.

That's because Keitzman is nothing more than a homer with a microphone.

I lost any respect for that idiot back in 2012 when he was defending Cassel.

There it is.

You don't win superbowls being conservative. Explain how a conservative "safe" offense with no downfield presence is a good thing for present day NFL. Alex Smith is a empty shell of a dangerous QB. You NEED to be able to throw downfield to keep the defense honest. No defense respects Smith, therefore this team will not advance in the playoffs. Maybe against the Texans.

Interesting note - I heard a commentator in the pre-season talk about Smith being a leg-locked passer and made a point to try to watch for it some this year. He's right; Smith likes to lock that leg and it does seem to sap him of some arm strength.

Foles doesn't. Foles is going to have freer, easier velocity than Smith and I just don't see any arguing it. But it sure looked to me like he couldn't maintain his arm slot. He'd bring the ball out from several different angles and I just don't think you can be a consistently successful quarterback doing that unless you're an insanely good athlete.

Rodgers can do it because his body allows him to get away with it. Stafford and Cutler could do it as well and both of them are underrated athletes. I don't see that ability with Foles. He's very much the upright pocket passer and if he hopes to take a step forward, that arm has to be more consistent.

See, I was with you until the end here. INJURIES. When your best, top paid players are broken and useless in these big games, you are likely to lose. This is why KC has been losing in the playoffs. You must see this, right?

Terrible idea

Hopefully you're being sarcastic

If not you're a moron

The Chiefs are saying that Alex Smith didn't get a concussion after either hit yesterday.

No post concussion effects today, either.

What?

The Seahawks absolutely won a Super Bowl by being conservative. Hell, the Patriots won more SBs when they were conservative than they have since Brady was out there gunslinging.

The Seahawks recently lost a Super Bowl by not being conservative. The Broncos just won a Super Bowl asking Manning to do nothing but not beat them.

That argument's been bullshit for awhile now.

Q but thanks.. some may not have seen it.

I dont know why any of you dudes feed the certain troll's. Read there posts, take them for what they are, which is piles of dog sh*t where you see a funny sentence lying on top from time to time...

But to argue with people who actually think our team being led by Foles, would be a stronger team, than Alex smith led KC chiefs, is just a homer in terms of being a homer on the philosophy of anyone but Alex needs to be our QB no matter what.

Alex smith has proved to us and the world, he can beat and will beat the TOP QB's in this league. He will not put up big stats, because he plays very passive, eat up clock, and drive out drives, which leads to our defense getting plenty of rest, and making both sides of our team look superb.. People that dont understand that we are a well-oiled machine, that can go toe-to-toe with the best teams in the league with alex smith leading our team are just lost in la-la land. When weve needed alex smith to step up and perform and need points, he more often than not, delivers, and thats the bottom-line. Every once in a while, he doesnt put up the points we need, and thats when the crows try to feast, however, anyone who watches football outside of KC watch some of the best fold up hard from time-to-time, thats the nature of the business. Rodgers lost to Matt ryan last night, and it was the GB defense that let him down. Everyone blames the GB defense, however certain posters here would blame alex smith if he was the QB, because he "didnt put up enough points". It's a team game, and Alex smith is light years ahead of Foles, and anyone who continues to discuss it, is just as stupid as the ones who believe foles could be the guy here.

We are 15-2 out of 17 with Alex at QB.... winning is the only thing that matters to me with a QB , if you think Andy is going to make any change at QB you are delusional....

Sorry but every team in the super bowl has a deep ball competent QB, Seahawks would of won the SB if they just ran Marshawn Lynch the 3 yards for the TD, they only got to that point in the game by Russell throwing a bomb to Kearse. This team isn't capable of blowing out bad teams, but good enough to keep it close and lose to good teams. Not good enough

Thanks for thanking him.

Uh, watch any of Foles highlights. He can scramble well enough.

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And he knows how to ****ing GET DOWN before the defender is already in mid-hit unlike some other QBs I won't mention.

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No it was a direct ****ing comparison. If you want to dismiss the argument that the Rams and Jeff Fischer made a decent QB look bad, you have to dismiss that a bad 49ers team and multiple offensive coordinators made Alex Smith look bad. So that must mean that Alex Smith sucks. Or, maybe he doesn't suck, but then neither does Foles.

You are the one applying one set of rules to Alex Smith criticism and another to Foles. Both looked bad on bad teams with the wrong coach. Foles did manage to slip in a record breaking season, however. And he looks to be doing pretty good now that he's back in a system that is better for him with a coach that is better for him.

Your now reverting to playoffs, and if your telling me that alex doesnt perform in the playoffs then again, your are living in lala land. Alex's performances in the playoffs are one of the few things ppl try to steer clear of when critiquing him.

Look, it's fair and expected to wonder about it. Sure, many are pushing agendas because they want anyone but Alex. They want someone "with balls" to throw deep and thumb their nose at the consequences.

Sure, **** that stupidity. Don't let it get to you. It's just talk and curiosity, otherwise. "Que Sera, Sera"

Christmas came early for Clay...ROFLROFL

thanks for thanking me about thanking him... you seem nice.

we'll be fine.

Thanks! Wbf.

The year the Seahawks won the Super Bowl, Russell Wilson:

Was third in the NFL in TD%
4th in the NFL in YPA
4th in the NFL in YPC
3rd in the NFL in air yards per attempt

That narrative doesn't jive with Alex D. Smith.

Okay, I see your misunderstanding.

example A

" Nick Foles sucked then because of HC, etc etc etc. "
" Alex Smith sucked then because of HC, etc etc etc. "

These two sentences.. to me.. are NOT.. excuses.

example B

" Alex Smith sucked then because of HC, etc etc etc. "
" Nick Foles sucked then because of HC, etc etc etc. "

Accepting one of these sentences as an excuse.. but not the other..
is what many other people do here. That is hypocritical, and fails.

3rd gif down dude gets blasted for not sliding early enough, then we're say g he slides early enough.

Atleast try man. DON'T half ass it.

LMAO

I didn't say he slid perfectly EVERY time.

But we know a guy who almost NEVER slides that way. Which led to what happened yesterday.

Kiss the ring O

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It's always gonna be an accuracy issue because of the arm slot issue. Muscle memory is a bitch.

How the **** is this my misunderstanding?

I haven't been hypocritical. Anyone with a brain can see that Alex Smith improved under Harbaugh and has played pretty well under Reid. He got better in the right circumstances.

Foles is now in better circumstances, and to say a bad season under Fischer on a horrible Rams team is some benchmark of his real talent is ****ing idiotic. But that's what some here are doing.

And you seem to be one of them.

I direct you back to the Drew Brees sports science.

That guy's ability to replicate his delivery down to the millimeter throw after throw after throw is one of the most incredible things I've ever seen. The release angle out of his hand, the rpms on the throws - everything was just clockwork.

I'd imagine you'll see the same with all the truly great pure passers. Rodgers won't have that because he's from that Tarkenton, Young, Gannon school of ugly but effective.

Nick Foles ain't gonna be from that school, no matter how many gifs you see of him running about. There's innate athleticism in guys like that that Foles doesn't have. I mean shit, Clay's first gif shows him awkwardly flipping over his own head and losing the football. The guy isn't the natural athlete that you need to be to succeed with erratic mechanics.