He has ties to everyone, apparently (eg Pinkle, Alden, Castiglione), which I guess makes him at least potentially unbiased.

The fake Dan Bebee twitter is hilarious: http://twitter.com/#!/DanBeebe

Syracuse football has higher revenue than Syracuse basketball. Fact.


Do you lie on purpose or are you just stupid?

Phogtards are tards.

So what was MU's major announcement? Did they demand a reacharound from Texas? Well, not demand, but strenuously request. Or at least politely inquire.

:shake:

You guys should have bailed to the SEC


seriously :facepalm:

LMAO

Well, looks like we're going to expose this "its not about the money, its about stability" silliness for the lie it is.

If you want the conference to be stable, do what the Big 10 did and marry the conference. If you sign an agreement saying that the conference now controls your tier 1/2 rights for the next 6 years, even if you leave, then you really can't leave even if the Big 10 hands you a gold-plated letter of admission. (we're doing this because no one is going to join our conference at this point unless we all legally chain ourselves together to prove no one is leaving anytime soon)

Boom, instant stability. It isn't done yet, but that is where they are going after the lawyers draw up the paperwork.

So, now it is not about the money, and it is not about stability, so... what?

Tweets from Dave Matter....

My God, is this administration FINALLY going to show some balls???

I still doubt it...

So....is this just posturing or has the Administration finally gotten smart?

Yep. I'm from Missouri. SHOW ME.

Same here.....

Sooo Missouri ain't coming to the great SEC? What a shame. The fried chicken, watermelon, and sweet tea is delicious.

PeteThamelNYT Pete Thamel
So the latest from the Big 12 on grant of rights is "an agreement in principle." Another told me its in a "position philosophically."

PeteThamelNYT Pete Thamel
After a confusing night, this much is clear. Missouri hasn't signed their rights away, and the door remains ajar for them to go to the SEC.

PeteThamelNYT Pete Thamel
And no one has offered a good explanation why Boren needed to talk tonight. Why not defer to the Chair and avoid mixed messages?

PeteThamelNYT Pete Thamel
Boren's mouth started this mess by saying publicly OU needed to explore its options. And now he's continuing it. Good luck, Chuck Neinas.

Hahahaha.

I'm starting to think Mizzou might actually do something this time around...the writing is on the wall, no matter what happens this shit will go down in a year or two again...get out while you can.

Thank Jesus that Gary Pinkel is being so outspoken, I think it just might force Deaton's hand.

They are more likely trying to keep some leverage to get what they want, but in the end Mizzou is a proud member of the big 12 conference.

And will be, forever.

RT @PeteThamelNYT: MT @Dave_Matter: Deaton asked, if Big 12 issues can't be fixed, could MU leave: "That’s a hypothetical that could occur."

@PeteThamelNYT
Pete Thamel
After a confusing night, this much is clear. Missouri hasn't signed their rights away, and the door remains ajar for them to go to the SEC.

Nice of you to speak for us.

I like this.

By Randy Galloway McClatchy Newspapers
Oklahoma gasps for air after Texas' blow to gut


FORT WORTH, Texas — Full credit here to the Children of the Corn, even though that was me some 16 months ago, saying Nebraska sniveled its way out of the Big 12. But it’s also me saying today that the Cornhuskers made a brilliant jump.

Next in line this morning for full credit would be the Texas Aggies. All that Reveille barking was up the right tree.

The message in both cases was simple and direct:

We don’t want our future in football, or anything else, tied to The Man in Austin.

Nebraska got out, and the Aggies are getting out. Both moves involved landing in much more stable football precincts.

Better and much more stable because there is no Daddy DeLoss guarding his Fort Knox-like vault.

Speaking of brilliance, Mr. Dodds is the best in college football in his watchdog role of protecting all things UT, no matter the big-picture consequences for others in his conference family.

It’s greed, it’s arrogance, it’s.…the American way. And certainly the University of Texas way.

Daddy DeLoss is a “(p-r-o-f-e-s-s-i-o-n-a-l”. He will hurt you.

Hello, Oklahoma.

The good folks in Norman were picking themselves up off the floor Wednesday morning, still gasping for breath after that blow to the gut that was delivered the night before.

The Sooners power-played DeLoss and Texas. They thought they could, and I thought if anyone could, they could.

Nope. They couldn’t. I was wrong.

The Aggies’ blueprint is the right way, the only way.

No power play involved at all with A&M. No negotiating, no far-end-of-the-bar deals over beers with DeLoss, and no threats.

The Aggies knew they didn’t want to be tied to Texas any longer, knew they were wanted elsewhere, and without a flexed biceps, or even harsh words, they said bye-bye to Texas University, so long to the orange and white.

Lesson learned this week by Oklahoma:

Have an option before you have threats. And don’t jack around for two weeks with your decision, giving idle chatter of it might be, it could be a move elsewhere, or maybe not. Not if UT changes its Longhorn Network monopoly, and also if DeLoss’ puppet is fired.

Was that supposed to be breaking news that Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe is DeLoss’ houseboy? If that was Oklahoma’s worry, why didn’t it come up a year ago, two years ago, or about five minutes after Beebe was hired? It appears Beebe will be fired, but that solves exactly nothing.

The Sooners talked a good game, and I personally loved the show of verbal muscle, but when it came to Jump City, the knees had no spring, and Oklahoma didn’t have the firm invite to move elsewhere.

“Elsewhere” in this case being the very much desired location of the Pac-Whatever out west.

Larry Scott, the commissioner of that conference, took a direct shot at Texas when he announced Tuesday night that the Pac-12 would stay with 12 teams because of the “culture of equality that we are committed to preserve.”

The University of Texas doesn’t do equality. It does greed.

Bottom line:

For the second time, Scott attempted to hijack Big 12 schools (four of them this time) for his conference, and with Dodds not budging off the Longhorn Network hangup, he failed again.

Word from out west Wednesday is Scott was “appalled” at the arrogance of DeLoss. Larry, Larry, Larry. Who the heck did you think you were dealing with?

Yes, the Pac-12 would have taken Oklahoma State and Texas Tech in the package, even if there was no desire to do so. But those two would be attached to Texas and Oklahoma, two of the biggest monsters in the business.

The other three were ready to go, and so was Texas, provided Texas got the final say on all the side deals.

A year ago, Texas was also ready to go, but Texas A&M was then in the package. It was the Aggies who killed that deal by refusing to move west.

The embarrassing news for Oklahoma late Tuesday night was the Pac-12 didn’t want the Sooners-Oklahoma State two-team package. Texas had to be involved. That’s why it’s very difficult at the moment to take a deep breath in Norman.

Exactly what the Aggies and Nebraska wanted to escape — being tied to DeLoss’ shoestrings — that’s where Oklahoma still finds itself.

Meanwhile, the word was already out that the Sooners had no desire for an SEC move because the school is attempting to raise its academic and football honesty image. One SEC official did say Wednesday that the conference had “issues” with considering the Sooners as a 14th team.

I wouldn’t, however, necessarily rule out the mutual interest.

It’s also a bit premature to say the Big 12 has been saved again, but if that’s indeed the case, the next question is, saved for how long? Last season, it was a conference operating on a foundation of quicksand, and at the moment the quicksand is even deeper.

When Oklahoma stepped out there the last two weeks with some strong words, it opened deeper wounds. Plus, the Sooners learned a valuable lesson:

Don’t talk tough unless you have guaranteed options. (See the Aggies.)

Otherwise, Daddy DeLoss will hurt you.

This just broke on the KC Star

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/09/22...#ixzz1YkGjYNug

If this is not true, Mizzou will shoot it down tomorrow. If they say nothing, then they are probably using the threat of leaving to get more concessions out of UT.

"The administrator" is almost certainly Deaton himself.

We'll find out very soon if Mizzou has leverage.

If the SEC doesn't want Mizzou, then it is in their best interests to either invite #14 now (WVU?) or announce they are sticking with 13. If they do that, they cut Mizzou's legs out from under them, everyone is forced to sell their soul to the big 12 for 6 years, and Texas A&M has a clear sunlit path to the SEC.

If the SEC remains eerily quiet the next couple weeks, then that would seem to confirm there's an offer, now that Mizzou has so publicly stuck their necks out for the 2nd year in a row.

Good luck getting out, Baylor is ready to sue everyone involved in SEC poaching.

Poor Baylor

Don't think there isn't some discussion about MU helping pave the way for aTm into the SEC. If there has ever been a true offer from the SEC, then they know not following thru would make MU join the rest in the lawsuit meant to slow down the move to the SEC by aTm.

Missouri would get killed in the SEC

That could eventually backfire on them...

Just a word to the wise noob....try to come in with a little more intelligent and thought out post if you don't want to get abused.

Nonsense. Mizzou has no leverage on the SEC. At this point, now that OU has nowhere to go, TA&M will be free to leave when everyone hands over their media rights and the Big 12 invites someone that the networks approve.

The reason is because if the TV contract survives, no one has any damages, and everyone drops their lawsuit threat. The SEC can carry on with the invitation anyway even if they don't sign away the right to sue because if you have no damages, you have no lawsuit.

N00bs get ****ing killed on the Planet all the time.
Now find a tall building.........& JUMP OFF! :D

Did someone give you permisssion to talk? Go sit in the corner and STFU n00b

Haha yeah I know I dont post that much but I just feel Missouri would be overmatched in the SEC (as far as football goes). Recruiting would be hard for them.

I'll go back to my corner now...

You having reading comprehension issues? By any chance did you see somewhere in the post where I said they had leverage. What I inferred was that maybe, just maybe, the SEC is whispering in MU's ear.

I think you are nervously hoping everyone comes back to the Big 12 so the "leftover teams" can have a place to land.

I want my team to leave because quite frankly I'm tired of the instability and being the b**** to OU and UT.

Six year agreement to stay together is perfect. Because after the first tier contract gets reworked in five, there is no way anyone is wanting to leave.

I was also reading today that TCU is emerging at the favorite to be added. Personally I like them the least out of Louisville, Cincinnati, West Virginia, and BYU. Really I'd rather have South Florida too. But I guess I could see them being comfortable adding another Texas school since ones leaving even though we still have enough. Just keep working on trying to pull in ND.

UT and OU won't stay around that long. The Big 12 is just a placeholder till they get the deals they are looking for.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is forgetting that we say this movie once before and the end is not pretty.

LMAO

@davidubben
David Ubben
I just hope Mizzou and OU have communicated at least enough to reach a consensus on what time their game starts on Saturday.

If they want to leave they might want to consider doing it before they agree to this six year commitment where the exit fees are going to be a lot more hefty.

I have no problem with reading comprehension, but maybe you suck at writing. You basically said if there's a quiet deal and the SEC decides to back out on it, MU will screw the SEC over.

Bullcrap, deal or not, MU has no way, whatsoever, of even significantly inconveniencing the SEC at all.

Incidentally, if you don't get your point across, that is a stupid way to handle it if you are at all serious about an intelligent argument and not just some anonymous internet message board flamer. A normal mature person would say something like "maybe I didn't explain that clearly, what I mean is blah blah blah". An immature troll would lash out with the stupid classic "oh God, you can't read, lol"

You might not be aware of the implications of signing over your tier 1/2 media rights to the conference, where that holds even if you leave. That is FAR bigger than even something like a $50MM huge exit fee. There is no "oh whatever, they can back out in a couple years" here, this is the college conference version of an unbreakable marriage. The Big 10 and the PAC 12 make their members do this to ensure no one can leave.

If your T 1/2 media rights are owned by the conference, no one else can put you on TV and you become completely useless to any other conference until those iron chains around your ankles expire. If everyone signs this, then everyone is staying in the Big 12 for 6 years come hell or high water, unless they have the votes to dissolve the conference. The reason why it is 6 years is because presumably the Big 12 will land such a great Tier 1 deal 5 years from now that people will be wondering "so, why were we wanting to leave again?"

Actually you do have reading comprehension issues. You read what you wanted into what I typed. But that's fine..

And the last thing I need especially from you, is a lecture about how to argue intelligently or not flame the board. People in glass houses...

You know what, go to hell. I have no idea who you are, and I don't care. Welcome to ignore. I do not take people off ignore.

Good-bye forever, jackass.

al....do you really think that any contract is unbreakable? If so, then you need to spend a little more time in studying legalities.

As money becomes the hardest driving factor in the aligning of teams in a conference, attorney's will become better at figuring out how to exit without losing a shirt. Remember all the money the Big 12 crowed about getting when Nebraska and Colorado decided to leave? Well, the "settlement" wasn't anything close.

The Big 12 won't come anywhere close to a major deal in 5 years. What will be the impetus? Face it....there are only 2 teams in this league that draw any large interest when it would come to National exposure. No network is going to give a big contract to a conference with 2 major players, when it can go looking to the SEC, PAC 12 or Big 10 and really get their money's worth.

Oh...I am heartbroken Al....

And you'll see my messages...you're no different than anyone else that has someone on ignore. The temptation to look at their post is too great. Your ego won't admit it, but you peek. And then you get pissed...but then you know if you answer then you have to admit that you peeked when you said you wouldn't all along.

And FYI....you do have reading comprehension issues. My handle has changed but if you have been around you would remember even my first handle.

Their Tier one contract is projected to be something like 350 million after the Pac just got their 250 million(?) last year. But nice try.

I'll bite...why do you think that the Big 12, with all their problems will get a contract that large?

Big 12 problems is how they split all the money they make. Thats basically the bottom line in the Big 12.

Which then exacerbates the issue that is causing the problems now.

Nothing changes....right?

But that still doesn't answer why we believe that the contract for the Big 12 will be that large. Are we assuming that just because the PAC 12 got that big amount we will get a bigger chunk?

Doesn't add up...and assumes too many things.

WHICH IS SHORTER GUYZ ALNORTH'S TEMPER OR MY DICK

I guess that means I'm still on his ignore list too. He certainly is a delicate little twat. LMAO

LOL...well I guess I can go to bed now. I've actually pissed a person off 2 days in a row.

We'd need to see your dick.

Pics or gtfo....?

He's got me on ignore too. The guy thinks he's smarter than everyone else and it'll get to the point where he's left arguing with himself.

STFU

Sweet tea sucks and fried chicken is for fat people.

Now, this is all SEC and delicious: http://poonsec.blogspot.com

Hmmm.

What changes do you think Mizzou and others will demand of UT and the Big 12 as a whole?

Sharing of first and second tier TV rights is not enough if LHN remains intact and is not modified.

What else is there?

He's the poster previously known as mmaddog. You're welcome to put him on ignore if you want of course, but that sure seems like an over-reaction to me.

Mizzou trying to puff out their chest is amusing.

:thumb:

Seriously, if they leave for the SEC, why would anyone care? It's just Mizzou.

Why would Mizzou want to leave a conference where they have to play OU once a year for a conference where they have to play OU 4-5 times a year?

Because they are MU?

In other news, Texas A&M's Vice-Chancellor was abruptly fired. He reacted by pulling a knife, refused to leave, and had to be escorted out by security.

http://www.americanindependent.com/1...ncellor-sharp/

He might not be cut out for internet arguments, but he is one of the smartest posters on the Planet.

Because tough competition is a great thing?

Mizzou is like the guy that watches his buddy get into a fight with someone. He comes running in yelling "come get some" while lapping the guy that's on the ground. They'll run back behind their buddy once the other guy starts getting back up.

This is how Mizzou fans are hoping Baylor feels about the whole thing.

Who is Mizzou's buddy in this scenario?

Why did East Berlin need to build a wall to keep their residents from fleeing to West Berlin?

find Syracuse fellas


http://www.aolnews.com/2010/06/30/fo...tead-of-trees/

Really? I've basically noticed him do two things over the years - start Royals game threads and announce that he's putting on ignore anyone who calls him for being a sniping bitch.

oh you too

http://www.aolnews.com/2010/06/30/fo...tead-of-trees/

Check my link you dumb****, its the latest numbers. So go **** yourself with an AIDS filled dildo.

Missouri is completely within their rights to start their own network.

I clicked your link.

It didn't work

http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/GetOneInstitutionData.aspx

Put in Syracuse, it will tell you the exact numbers.

He's too stupid to know the difference between revenue and net revenue.

Football Revenue

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/4...10923at104.png