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Rain Man 03-11-2025 05:17 PM

I'll copy and update this as we go, accounting for free agency.

Base picks:

1-31
2-63
2-66, but only if you had Sneed on your roster prior to 2024 and accepted the trade and removed him from your roster last year
3-95
4-133 (or is it 4-132? I see both listed in different places.)
4-168, unless you accept the trade for Deandre Hopkins, who's gone now.
7-226 if you accepted last year's trade for Ihmir Smith-Marquette. Otherwise, you have the ... I don't know. What pick do we have if we rejected the trade? I can't find it anywhere. Is it 7-256?
7-251
7-257

Can someone confirm these. I see some conflicting information online.

We need to accept or reject the following trades before the draft.

Our 2025 4th round pick (#168) for Deandre Hopkins.
A to-be-determined conditional 2026 7th round pick for Peyton Hendershot
A to-be-determined conditional 2026 6th round pick for Josh Ouch
The Bears' 2026 4th round pick for Joe Thuney (if he is on your current roster).
If you did NOT have Mecole Hardman on your roster, you get the #6-207 pick. Otherwise, you don't have it.


We can add the following guys to our training camp rosters:

DJ Humphries
Siaki Ika
Baylor Cupp
Kristian Fulton
Robert Tonyan
Elijah Mitchell
Jaylen Moore
Tyquan Thornton.

We can also add any other midseason or offseason acquisitions who were not cut in the Chiefs training camp, though I won't bother to come up with a list since I don't think any are still on the Chiefs roster.

We're losing the following guys to free agency if they're on our current roster.

Tershawn Wharton
Justin Watson
Justin Reid
Samaje Perine
Deandre Hopkins

kccrow 03-11-2025 06:52 PM

Official Draft Picks

1-31
2-63
3-66 received from Tennessee in trade of CB L'Jarius Sneed
3-95
4-133
5-167 or trade to Tennessee for WR DeAndre Hopkins
6-207 or trade to New York Jets for WR Mecole Hardman and 7-225
7-225 received from New York Jets in trade for WR Mecole Hardman, subsequently traded to Arizona for DE Cam Thomas
7-226 received from Carolina in trade of WR Ihmir Smith-Marsette and 7-247
7-247 or traded to Carolina with WR Ihmir Smith-Marsette for 7-226
7-251 Compensatory Selection
7-257 Compensatory Selection

So, if you make no trades at all, your base draft is:
1-31
2-63
3-95
4-133
5-167
6-207
7-247
7-251
7-257

EDIT: Here is a link to the official draft order PDF

kccrow 03-11-2025 06:54 PM

Since I didn't have Hardman to trade, I couldn't accept the trade for Cam Thomas in retrospect, not known at the time. I'll remove Cam from my roster when we start the process.

kccrow 03-11-2025 06:58 PM

These look correct Rainman.
Quote:

A to-be-determined conditional 2026 7th round pick for Peyton Hendershot
A to-be-determined conditional 2026 6th round pick for Josh Uche
The Bears' 2026 4th round pick for Joe Thuney (if he is on your current roster).

Rain Man 03-12-2025 11:19 AM

Awesome. Thanks, kccrow. These are always hard for me to unravel, particularly with conditional picks.

Kellerfox 03-16-2025 04:27 PM

I think I’m generally looking at the below. There’s a few Chiefs additions I didn’t add in (likely training camp fodder) that I reserve the right to retroactively add in lol.


Pre-draft Roster

QB:
Patrick Mahomes (Chiefs) 1
Gardner Minshew (Chiefs*) 2

RB:
Breece Hall (Jets) 1
Chase Brown (Bengals) 1
Kenneth Gainwell (Steelers) 2
Kareem Hunt (Chiefs*) 2
Elijah Mitchell (Chiefs*) 3

FB:
None

WR:
Marquise Brown (Chiefs*) 1
Keon Coleman (Bills) 1
AT Perry (Broncos) 2
Jermaine Burton (Bengals) 2
Troy Franklin (Broncos) 2
Trey Palmer (Buccaneers) 2
Skyy Moore (Chiefs - Drafted) 3

TE:
Travis Kelce (Chiefs) 1
Robert Tonyan (Chiefs*) 4

OT:
Orlando Brown Jr. (Bengals - Trade Executed) 1
Rasheed Walker (Packers) 1
Jaylon Moore (Chiefs*) 1
Jawaan Taylor (Chiefs*) 1
Ethan Driskell (Chiefs*) 2

OG:
Trey Smith (Chiefs - Drafted) 1
Hunter Nourzad (Chiefs - Drafted) 2

OC:
Creed Humphrey (Chiefs - Drafted) 1


———————-

DT:
Chris Jones (Chiefs) 1
Khyris Tonga (Cardinals) 1
Siaki Ika (Chiefs*) 2
Dante Stills (Cardinals) 4
Kristian Boyd (Saints) 4
Jaden Crumedy (Panthers) 4
Eric Johnson (Patriots) - 4

DE:
George Karlaftis (Chiefs - Drafted) 1
Mike Danna (Chiefs) 1
Isaiah McGuire (Browns) 1
Carlos Basham Jr. (Panthers) 4

OLB:
Drue Tranquill (Chiefs*) 1
Leo Chanel (Chiefs - Drafted) 1
Jack Cochrane (Chiefs*) 2

ILB:
Isaiah McDuffie (Packers) 1
Nakobe Dean (Eagles) 1
Drew Sanders (Broncos) 2

CB:
L’Jarius Sneed (Titans - trade declined) 1
Joey Porter Jr. (Steelers) 1
Mike Hughes (Falcons - Trade Executed) 1
Kristian Fulton (Chiefs*) 2
Corey Trice (Steelers) 2
Tariq Castro-Fields (Panthers) 4
Darius Rush (Chiefs - Drafted) 5

S:
Ji’Ayir Brown (49ers) 1
Nick Cross (Colts) 1
Jaden Hicks (Chiefs - Drafted) 1

———————-

P:
Matt Araiza (Chiefs*)

K:
Harrison Butker (Chiefs)




For draft picks, I generally rejected or was able to execute everything including the ISM trade based on my historical notes in order to maximize picks. I elected to keep Sneed, so I don’t get the extra 3rd.

Draft picks

1-31
2-63
3-95
4-133
5-167
6-207
7-226
7-251
7-257

Kellerfox 03-16-2025 04:40 PM

Roster musings…

Past drafts:

1. The first year I played (2022 draft) I took Carlos Basham over Nick Bolton or Paulson Adebo with my initial/first pick. That was a swing and miss. Can’t go wasting 1st picks like that.

2. Last year I took Keon Coleman over Ladd McKonkey with my first. My head and heart said to take Ladd, but I got wooed over by the perception at the time that Coleman was primed to immediately be Josh Allen’s #1. I blew that.

3. I’ve been platooning late round / UDFA DTs. It worked for a few years, but that strategy fell apart last year.


2025 Draft needs:

1.WR: I desperately need a “dude” at WR, Hollywood and Coleman are starters but not enough to carry my team.

2. DL: I need production and depth.

3. OG: I need a second starting caliber player.

4. TE: What happens to me post-Kelce?

5. LB: While I have a good collection of guys who will start or be high utilization backups, I’d love to add some more talent to the mix.

Rain Man 04-26-2025 08:11 PM

I believe that these are our draft day trades. You can accept or reject any of these, and also make one tradeup/tradedown of your own with the discounts noted in the rules (which are there to offset you having perfect information).

7-251 and 7-257 for 7-228
5-164 and 7-226 for 5-156
3-95 and 2026 4th for 3-85. Assume 4th is coming from Thuney trade?
1-31 for '1-32 and 5-164

I don't see what pick number the 2026 4th is. Do we have our own and the Thuney pick? You might have to accept that one blindly. Also, if you reject the Thuney trade we might have to assume that you can't make this trade since the Thuney pick might be part of it.

Does this all look right?

kccrow 04-26-2025 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 18047333)
I believe that these are our draft day trades. You can accept or reject any of these, and also make one tradeup/tradedown of your own with the discounts noted in the rules (which are there to offset you having perfect information).

7-251 and 7-257 for 7-228
5-164 and 7-226 for 5-156
3-95 and 2026 4th for 3-85. Assume 4th is coming from Thuney trade?
1-31 for '1-32 and 5-164

I don't see what pick number the 2026 4th is. Do we have our own and the Thuney pick? You might have to accept that one blindly. Also, if you reject the Thuney trade we might have to assume that you can't make this trade since the Thuney pick might be part of it.

Does this all look right?

All look correct. The 4th is supposed to be from the Thuney trade, I'd assume if making that trade that you'd need to trade Thuney too.

https://www.prosportstransactions.co...Years/2025.htm

kccrow 04-26-2025 08:29 PM

Remember that you have to had traded Ihmir Smith-Marsette to Carolina if you are executing this trade: 5-164 and 7-226 for 5-156. 7-226 came from that deal.

Kellerfox 04-27-2025 10:37 AM

Appreciate y’all doing the homework.

Quick reaction, I execute the 1st round trade down and nothing else. That leaves me with:

1-32
2-63
3-95
4-133
5-164
5-167
6-207
7-226
7-251
7-257

kccrow 04-27-2025 11:35 AM

2025 Superior Yetis Draft
 
https://i.ibb.co/bFRj6Rh/superior-ye...ps07cnpbb5.png

Transactions

I opened the draft with KC's baseline selections with no trades: 1-31, 2-63, 3-95, 4-133, 5-167, 6-207, 7-247, 7-251, and 7-257

I am accepting the following:
  • Pre-draft trade of OG Joe Thuney to CHI for 2026 4th Round Pick
  • Draft-day trade of selection 1-31 for selections 1-32 and 5-164
  • Draft-day trade of selections 7-251 and 7-257 for selection 7-228

I am declining the following:
  • Draft-day trade of selections 3-95 and 2026 4th for selection 3-85
  • Draft-day trade of selections 5-164 and 7-226 for 5-156 (I do not have selection 226)

I am executing my own in-draft trade up with Baltimore, sending selections 2-63, 4-133, and 5-167 for selections 2-59 and 7-243
2-63 + 4-133 + 5-167 = 82 + 18 + 9 = 109 * 0.85 = 92.65
2-59 + 7-243 = 91 + 1 = 92

Preface

I came into this draft hoping to get a true X wide receiver and enhance my edge rush. After that, I saw safety, linebacker, running back, and offensive guard as my more critical needs. I feel like I was able to address each of my needs in some way, but I came away especially happy with wide receiver and edge rush. There are going to be some extremely tough cuts this year.

Draft Selections

1-032: WR Jayden Higgins, Iowa State (6'4" 214, 4.48) HOU 2-34
Coming in, I had Higgins as my personal number one overall receiver in this draft. He is a dominant X with the ability to move around and play the Z and Slot. He reminds me of Mike Evans, and I think he's going to be an excellent player going forward. Higgins is big, yet he's got really good speed and is smooth in his movements, plus he has insanely good hands (3 drops in 210 targets at Iowa State) and an excellent catch radius. The only concern in reality is that Nico Collins will absorb too many targets to make Higgins a star.

2-059: ER Mike Green, Marshall (6'3" 251) BAL 2-59
I moved up for Green, who is one of the more controversial prospects in this class, but I'm taking a chance that his character does check out because he has the potential to be one of the best players from this draft. I'm trusting Eric DeCosta when he says he exhaustively vetted this guy. Green has great burst and twitch and is violent and disruptive. He was consistently ranked as a top-15 player and among the top four edges in this class. Green had 17 sacks this past season and was a standout during Senior Bowl practices.

3-095: FS Xavier Watts, Notre Dame (6'0" 205, 4.58) ATL 3-96
I thought hard about moving up for Wyatt Milum here, but just couldn't bring myself to do it. I feel like a 4th in next year's draft could help me to move around for an RT prospect if I want. Instead, I decided to grab another playmaker in my secondary with Watts, who most had as the third-best safety in this class. Watts has the potential to be a superstar if he's allowed to play as a rangy, backend safety valve with freedom to make plays on the football.

5-164: OG Miles Frazier, LSU (6'6" 317, 5.24) DET 5-171
I truly feel like Frazier is a tremendous potential value at this point. He was ranked in the top 5 OGs by most boards and a mid-day two prospect. He should instantly compete to start at LG, plus he has the versatility to play at every offensive line position except center, having done so in college. He isn't the best athlete, but he's big, strong, tough, and can maul in the run game, plus he's experienced in a zone blocking scheme.

6-207: ER Antwaun Powell-Ryland, Virginia Tech (6'3" 258, 4.69) PHI 6-209
Powell-Ryland is the sort of guy you take because he's just a damned good football player. He doesn't have elite length, speed, or strength, but he does offer great variation in his pass rush and an excellent spin move to disengage and make plays. He'll need to gain strength to set the edge against the run in the NFL, but he can be a sub-package rusher right away. This is a guy who had 25.5 sacks over the past two seasons at a Power-4 school, so that's saying something.

7-228: RB Brashard Smith, Southern Methodist (5'10" 194, 4.39) KC 7-228
I never found a spot to grab a bell cow running back in this draft, but I'll definitely duplicate the shot on an explosive, dynamic passing game weapon in Smith. Smith, being a former WR, makes for a player with excellent hands, understanding of routes, and the ability to pluck the ball away from his frame. Smith accelerates quickly and has elite top-end speed to go with it. He's shown good contact balance and outstanding lateral agility to make for good yards after contact. Smith also has top-end ability as a kick returner, which should strengthen his contributions.

7-243: CB Korie Black, Oklahoma State (6'0" 192, 4.35) NYG 7-246
I don't need a corner on my roster with my current group, but I like Black too much to pass on him at this juncture. Black is a physical and aggressive press-man corner who is great at shrinking the catch window and disrupting passing lanes. He's an excellent, physical tackler when coming downhill. With his speed and tackling ability, he should have an immediate impact on special teams. He also blocked several field goals in college.

7-247: LB Shaun Dolac, Buffalo (6'1" 225, 4.55) LAR UDFA
Sticking with the damned good football player mantra, I'm sticking my neck out and grabbing an UDFA here in Dolac who was twice the MAC's leading tackler and a consensus All-American in 2024. How Dolac went undrafted is somewhat surprising, but I'll take the shot here that he makes the 53 and makes his way up the depth chart in short order. Dolac has solid coverage skills and an electrifying downhill trigger to eat up the run game.

Current Training Camp Roster

Spoiler!

Rain Man 04-27-2025 03:35 PM

Starting out for me, it looks like I have these picks. I'm keeping Joe Thuney on my roster so I don't get any picks for him, and I'll accept the trade out of 1-31.

I'll likely execute a trade down of my own, but here's my starting point.

1-32
2-63
3-95
4-133
5-164
5-167
6-207
7-247
7-251
7-257

Kellerfox 04-27-2025 04:33 PM

Dang Crow... Your first four picks look pretty close to what I started to map out.

Rain Man 04-27-2025 06:27 PM

To start out, I'm making a big trade down.

I'm giving up the following:

1-32 - 184 points
7-251 - 1 point
7-257 - 1 point

At a 25 percent discount, these picks are worth 139.5 points

I made a call to the broncos, and they took those picks in exchange for:

2-60 - 88 points
3-101 - 34 points
4-134 - 17 points

This totals 139 points.


My picks are now:

2-60
2-63
3-95
3-101
4-133
4-134
5-164
5-167
6-207
7-247

Rain Man 04-27-2025 07:48 PM

Here's my 2025 draft.

I was desperate for cornerbacks and defensive tackles, so I loaded up. I have some other needs, but none as urgent or major.


2-60 - Trey Amos, CB, Mississippi.

Strongly considered Higgins, but I liked the value of Amos and the trade down given my team needs.

Also considered: Josh Simmons OT, Jayden Higgins WR, TJ Sanders DT, Will Johnson CB, Benjamin Morrison CB. Higgins was my biggest debate.

2-63 - Shavon Revel, CB, East Carolina.

My cornerback room was a shambles last year, so we're addressing it in force despite a major need at DT as well.

Also considered: Darius Alexander DT, Omar Norman-Lott DT, Jamaree Caldwell DT. Really strongly considered going with Alexander here.

3-95 - Xavier Watts, S, Notre Dame.

My current safety room is solid, but we lost Justin Reid and Jordan Poyer is getting old. Watts will give us more amperage, or maybe voltage, in this group. I hated to pass up the offensive skill positions here, but Watts seemed like too much of a steal to resist.

Also considered: Tai Felton WR, Bayshul Tuten RB, Cam Skattebo RB.

3-101 - Deone Walker, DT, Kentucky

We've been drafting defensive tackles on Day 2 and Day 3, and none have developed in recent drafts. We'll try again here. We desperately need a starter, and it's possible that we could switch to a 3-4 this year. Walker can help us no matter what the decision is.

Also considered: C.J. West DT, Kyle Kennard Edge

4-133 - Jalen Royals, WR, Utah

Really the only guy I considered here. I need a WR and he seems like a steal. I say that despite the bias of the Chiefs dynasty drafting him.

Also considered: None, but also see the next pick.

4-134 - Joshua Farmer, DT, Florida State

As noted earlier with Deone Walker, I've had trouble drafting starters at defensive tackle. Farmer seems like a good value at this point and will be very competitive on the depth chart.

Also considered: Elic Ayomanor WR, Shadeur Sanders QB, Marcus Mbow OG. Really debated going with Ayomanor here.

5-164 - J.J. Pegues, DT, Mississippi.

I had Tyler Baron in this spot until the last minute, but I had enough productive DEs that I decided to load up at tackle. One of them has to work out, right?

Also considered: Tyler Baron DE. Really close call on this one. I also initially penciled in Oronde Gadsden TE.

5-167 - Chris Paul, LB, Mississippi.

I'm pretty much drafting the entire Mississippi defense, I guess. This was my toughest pick of the draft, because I really wanted one of the two CBs below and wouldn't mind loading up on the CB room. But in the end, I thought Paul had slid too low and was a good value even though my LB room is stacked. This was a pure luxury pick.

Also considered: Dorian Strong CB, Denzel Burke CB, Jaylen Reed S

6-207 - Kurtis Rourke, QB, Indiana.


This was a really tough decision. I really wanted to draft a RB or a developmental OT, but I like to roll the dice on a QB every year. At some point I've got to replace Russell Wilson, so I keep rolling the dice in later rounds.

Also considered: Brashard Smith RB, Jack Nelson OT, Quinn Ewers QB, Kyle Monangai RB.

7-247 - Luke Lachey, TE, Iowa.

I think I may need a third TE so I wanted to draft one. Gadsden seemed like a good value in Round 5, but with Kelce I can hold off for a while on a big investment.

Also considered: Elijhah Badger WR, Xavier Restropo WR, Tyler Batty Edge, Elijah Williams Edge, Zy Alexander CB, Joshua Gray OG, Hollin Pierce OT, all as undrafted free agents.

Rain Man 04-27-2025 09:10 PM

Here's my training camp roster. I've got some young veterans who really need to step up this year at WR and DT.

Spoiler!

kccrow 04-27-2025 09:40 PM

Rainman, you really surprised me by not moving up for Dart.

Rain Man 04-27-2025 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18048429)
Rainman, you really surprised me by not moving up for Dart.

I'd been torn on him as a candidate, but I'd pretty much told myself that I would take him with my first pick, assuming that he would go in the second round somewhere. But when he went at 25, I wasn't sure I wanted to take that risk. It would have taken my 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and a 7th to go up and get him.

I may regret that, because one of these years I'm going to have to do it, and we'll never have a high enough pick to get someone who doesn't slip to the bottom of the round. For now, I'll bank on Kurtis Rourke doing a Kurt Warner thing.

Rain Man 04-27-2025 09:55 PM

We really went in different directions this year, kccrow. We agreed on Watts at safety, and I really coveted Higgins if not for my need at other positions. But other than that, we seemed to diverge.

Kellerfox 04-27-2025 10:07 PM

Dumb question… are we allowed to add UDFAs to our roster “for free?” Assuming not, and the logic is you have to spend a draft pick (as I’ve done in past seasons). However, felt it was worth asking since I’m not seeing anything about it in the rules and I have a laundry list of UDFAs I like.

Rain Man 04-27-2025 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kellerfox (Post 18048447)
Dumb question… are we allowed to add UDFAs to our roster “for free?” Assuming not, and the logic is you have to spend a draft pick (as I’ve done in past seasons). However, felt it was worth asking since I’m not seeing anything about it in the rules and I have a laundry list of UDFAs I like.

Right now, we only get UDFAs for the Chiefs, or we can draft a UDFA who went to another team.

It would be interesting if we allowed ourselves to select two or three UDFAs. However, I wouldn't want us to get an unrealistic advantage over the real teams if we're already getting the Chiefs' signings. Any way we could work something out to make it fair but interesting?

Hmm, I just realized that I'll get two of the UDFAs I was coveting since they signed with the Chiefs (Badger and Briningstool). So that's a win. I'll add them to my training camp roster if they look promising in camp.

I've only drafted two UDFAs in 10+ years, and interestingly, they both worked out great. I drafted Ivan Pace at ILB recently, and long, long ago I drafted an offensive lineman, Alex Boone, who ended up starting in the league for several years.

Kellerfox 04-27-2025 10:49 PM

Agreed that a cap would be required... If you elect to authorize.

Perhaps it's an either or proposition? (Get all of the Chiefs signings OR add 2-3 of your choosing)

Rain Man 04-27-2025 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kellerfox (Post 18048466)
Agreed that a cap would be required... If you elect to authorize.

Perhaps it's an either or proposition? (Get all of the Chiefs signings OR add 2-3 of your choosing)

That could be interesting. I'm willing to try that if others are. I think we're talking only rookie free agents in this case, correct?

I'd lean toward all of the Chiefs rookies or four of your own choosing. It seems like the Chiefs get enough volume that some end up making the team every year. Maybe not our team, but theirs.

kccrow 04-27-2025 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 18048438)
I'd been torn on him as a candidate, but I'd pretty much told myself that I would take him with my first pick, assuming that he would go in the second round somewhere. But when he went at 25, I wasn't sure I wanted to take that risk. It would have taken my 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and a 7th to go up and get him.

I may regret that, because one of these years I'm going to have to do it, and we'll never have a high enough pick to get someone who doesn't slip to the bottom of the round. For now, I'll bank on Kurtis Rourke doing a Kurt Warner thing.

You would only have had to give up 1-31 and 2-63 (190+82 * 0.85 = 231.2), but it doesn't fit extremely well with anything else you've done here. That said, it does feel like your best shot at an actual franchise QB coming from the bottom of the draft all the time unless you get ballsy one year and make a pre-draft trade to go way up towards the top of the draft. Next year might be a really good year to do that and stick to this plan of building your roster out to support it.

Kellerfox 04-27-2025 11:10 PM

Only rookie free agents seems correct. Never losing our drafted players is enough of an advantage - adding regular free agents would break the spirit of this game. Not proposing that.

I'm game for the UDFA adjustment - but think Crow should get to weigh in as this could be a significant adjustment to the game.

kccrow 04-27-2025 11:10 PM

I'd be willing to allow us to swap out 2 UDFAs from other teams for UDFAs from the Chiefs. I think if you allow too many, you can swap out too many of the best UDFA prospects for the ones that are completely unlikely to have a shot at anything outside of just camp fodder.

One thing I was thinking about in a similar light is the roster. It would be so nice to be able to have a small practice squad, say up to 5, maybe with the caveat that the players have to be a 7th-round pick or UDFA.

kccrow 04-27-2025 11:15 PM

So are you guys thinking swap UDFAs or are you thinking choose your UDFAs?

I guess I kind of do like the "Choose your favorite 3-4" over swapping out a couple. For some reason I had swap in my head.

Being realistic, the chances of any of these guys making a roster is pretty low but sometimes they hang around on a PS then eventually make the team like Remigio.

Rain Man 04-27-2025 11:19 PM

My worry would be that there's probably going to be some blurring in terms of who's actually a rookie, and a lot of guys come and go so cutting a UDFA is probably not going to make much difference.

How about we say that we can add 3 non-Chiefs UDFAs and we have a three-person practice squad/injured reserve where we can stash players?

kccrow 04-28-2025 01:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 18048484)
My worry would be that there's probably going to be some blurring in terms of who's actually a rookie, and a lot of guys come and go so cutting a UDFA is probably not going to make much difference.

How about we say that we can add 3 non-Chiefs UDFAs and we have a three-person practice squad/injured reserve where we can stash players?

I wouldn't hate that, even if it feels a little advantageous to get to stack onto the Chiefs UDFAs. At least it puts a limiter on it and it's not like we're gaining something huge here. Maybe 1 UDFA makes each team each year. Your odds of hitting multiple are still pretty low and so is the quality of player, generally.

3 for IR/PS is fair. At least we can hang onto a guy instead of having to consider cutting him just because of a significant injury.

Rain Man 04-28-2025 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18048475)
You would only have had to give up 1-31 and 2-63 (190+82 * 0.85 = 231.2), but it doesn't fit extremely well with anything else you've done here. That said, it does feel like your best shot at an actual franchise QB coming from the bottom of the draft all the time unless you get ballsy one year and make a pre-draft trade to go way up towards the top of the draft. Next year might be a really good year to do that and stick to this plan of building your roster out to support it.

Oh. Yeah. I was multiplying by 0.75 (trade down) instead of 0.85 (trade up). Oh, well. I think as long as Russell is starting, I can wait for the perfect year to strike upward.

Rain Man 04-28-2025 12:56 PM

Or hey, how about this?

We have our previous 53-man roster. Maybe along with the draft, we can sign UDFAs to match cuts or losses to our 53-man roster. These losses would be ...

1. Any free agency losses by Chiefs (e.g., Justin Reid and Tershawn Wharton this year)
2. Any player who retired in the offseason.
3. Any player that you just know won't get a roster spot this year (i.e., they stink and you've got other guys at the position). This would be rare but not unheard of. I guess you could also flat-out cut a guy if you're in love with a UDFA that you want to sign.

You would need to declare them gone immediately after the draft and remove them from your training camp roster in order to replace them with a UDFA.

So for example, as I announce my draft, I would also say...

UDFA signings

Justin Reid (free agency) is being replaced by Tim McUDFA, RB, Minnesota
Tershawn Wharton (free agency) is being replaced by Willie O'Udfa, K, Montana State
Jason Kelce (retired) is being replaced by Mdeke Udfabenze, QB, Northwestern
john elway (cut due to mediocrity) is being replaced by Theodore Udfaskiewiecz, DE, Georgia

This system would be simple, and it would kind of work to offset losses.

As far as a practice squad/IR, maybe 3 guys and they can only be rookies or on IR when you make the final cuts.

kccrow 04-28-2025 02:22 PM

Honestly, I'd rather keep it more simple with regard to the UDFAs. Chiefs UDFAs plus 3 of your choice from other rosters is fine by me. We usually have enough roster turnover to support 3 in your scenario anyhow so why complicate the process.

As for the PS/IR, I'm fine with what you have there. Rookie or on IR/PUP at final cuts.

Kellerfox 04-28-2025 04:13 PM

I lean towards Crow's model / simplicity, but as the "newbie" (4 seasons in) I'm game for whatever you grizzled vega decide. I don't need a vote.

kccrow 04-28-2025 04:16 PM

I'll leave it to Rainman to cement it in stone. He created the game and continually has improved it over the years. I'm game for the proposed changes or no changes, whichever is decided.

Rain Man 04-28-2025 04:40 PM

Okay, it's settled.

1. We can sign three non-Chiefs UDFAs as part of our draft. (Update this year's draft with your picks.)

2. On final cutdown, we can put three rookies or players on IR onto a "reserve" list.

Annnnnd... go.

I'll add this to the very messy OP.

Kellerfox 04-28-2025 05:08 PM

If I want additional UDFAs I can still use my draft capital, correct?

Rain Man 04-28-2025 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kellerfox (Post 18049056)
If I want additional UDFAs I can still use my draft capital, correct?

Yeah, you can always draft UDFAs with any draft pick.

If you like them a lot, I guess one strategy would be trade down a 5th or maybe 6th rounder into 3 7th rounders to use. But you'd have to like the UDFAs more than the NFL's actual 7th round picks.

Rain Man 04-28-2025 05:55 PM

With that change, we are pleased to announce free agent contracts with the following players.

OT Hollin Pierce (Eagles)
CB Zy Alexander (Seahawks)
RB Raheim Sanders (Chargers)

kccrow 04-28-2025 08:54 PM

I'll add the following UDFAs:

DE Jared Ivey, Ole Miss (SEA)
OT Logan Brown, Kansas (MIN)
FS J.J. Roberts, Marshall (TB)

Mostly about taking a flyer to hit on some positions I have needs.

Kellerfox 04-28-2025 10:44 PM

https://i.ibb.co/0MknfD8/841-E3275-F...C43-F97275.jpg

After fruitless efforts to consolidate into fewer total but better quality picks in the 2nd and 3rd round, I decided my best strategy this year was actually to lean heavily into day 3 guys I like. I’m executing a single trade which has equal trade up and trade down in it. I’m essentially swapping the top half of my draft with the Colts. Because of the ambiguous nature of the trade, I’m going with the 15% discount factor.

Tacoma Trash Panda - Initial 2025 Picks:

1-31
2-63
3-95
4-133
5-167
6-207
7-226
7-251
7-257

Tacoma Trash Panda - Executed “Pre-draft” Trades (Chiefs):

1-31 for 1-32 and 5-164 (Chiefs draft day trade)

Tacoma Trash Panda - Executed “Draft Day” Trades (Chiefs):

The Trash Pandas trade picks 32 (184 points), 95 (40 points), 133 (18 points), and 167 (9 points) to the Indianapolis Colts totaling 251 points (213.35 with a 15% discount)

In exchange they receive picks 45 (131 points), 80 (56 points), 127 (20 points), 189 (6 points) and 190 (6 points) from the Colts totaling 213 points.

Tacoma Trash Panda - Final 2025 Draft Capital:

2-45
2-63
3-80
4-127
5-164
6-189
6-190
6-207
7-226
7-251
7-257

Kellerfox 04-28-2025 10:50 PM

https://i.ibb.co/0MknfD8/841-E3275-F...C43-F97275.jpg

I spent more time than I care to admit trying to piece together this puzzle. Initially my selections looked pretty similar to Crow’s, but that wasn’t letting me holistically do what I wanted to do. I also wanted to deviate from having significant overlap in our picks.

I desperately wanted to take Jayden Higgins or Luther Burden to address my WR issues, but I think the reality is both have a lot of competition for receptions and likely will be blocked from breaking out for a few years. I think they both will, just not on my timeline. After swinging and missing 3x last year on getting an immediate impact receiver, I’m going to be patient and let last years trio bake for another season before I decide to invest more early capital at WR again. This decision was made easier because of Horton and Lane being available in the middle rounds. I like both, and both landed in great situations to get early touches (IMO).

Tacoma Trash Panda - 2025 Draft Selections:

2-45: JT Tuimoloau, Edge, Ohio State (Colts @ #45)

2-63: Shavon Revel Jr., CB, East Carolina (Cowboys @ #76)

3-80: Kaleb Johnson, RB, Iowa (Steelers @ #83)

4-127: Jaylin Lane, WR, Virginia Tech (Commanders @ #128)

5-164: Tory Horton, WR, Colorado State (Seahawks @ #166)

6-189: Tahj Brooks, RB, Texas Tech (Bengals @ #193)

6-190: Cameron Williams, OT, Texas (Eagles @ #207)

6-207: Aeneas Peebles, DT, Virginia Tech (Ravens @ #210)

7-226: Quinn Ewers, QB, Texas (Dolphins @ #231)

7-251: Fadil Diggs, Edge/OLB, Syracuse (Saints @ #254)

7-257: Cobee Bryant, CB, Kansas (Falcons @ UDFA)

UDFA: Jared Ivey, Edge, Mississippi (Seahawks @ UDFA)
UDFA: Seth McLaughlin, OC, Ohio State (Bengals @ UDFA)
UDFA: Logan Brown, OT, Kansas (Vikings @ UDFA)

(Note: I don’t plan on adding any Chief’s UDFA’s. I’m going to challenge myself to only pick my own UDFA’s moving forward per the new allowance.)

Rain Man 04-28-2025 11:28 PM

It's fun to see how strongly we diverge from each other in the same draft.


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