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Rasputin 05-02-2017 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 12854469)
Was just thinking...there is no way I am missing camp now. First time in YEARS I have a reason to go.

I've never gone to camp. I hated it in Wisconsin but even when its in Missou hard to go with low caliber quarterbacks so now this is something I really want to do this year and hope get up there if possible.

Bwana 05-02-2017 12:49 PM

Good post.

MahiMike 05-02-2017 03:46 PM

Was just watching thinking about how great of an organization we have here and how lucky we are. Look at how many teams would simply SIT on the 3rd most winning QB in the league. The Chiefs look at that (and all those playoff appearances) and say, "Screw that! Let's go for it".

Only the best of organizations think like that.

We are blessed.

Sweet Daddy Hate 05-02-2017 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 12854469)
Was just thinking...there is no way I am missing camp now. First time in YEARS I have a reason to go.

I envy thee.

Hog's Gone Fishin 05-02-2017 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 12854798)
Was just watching thinking about how great of an organization we have here and how lucky we are. Look at how many teams would simply SIT on the 3rd most winning QB in the league. The Chiefs look at that (and all those playoff appearances) and say, "Screw that! Let's go for it".

Only the best of organizations think like that.

We are blessed.

Yeah, We try to be like that at least every 34 years.:rolleyes:

KChiefs1 05-02-2017 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 12854491)
I've never gone to camp. I hated it in Wisconsin but even when its in Missou hard to go with low caliber quarterbacks so now this is something I really want to do this year and hope get up there if possible.



I expect the crowds in St Joe are going to be overflowing.


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ChiefAshhole1056 05-03-2017 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 12850744)
After watching Alex miss wide open receivers all over the field, this excites me the most.

https://i.redd.it/m1nxd4dxd6ay.gif

Can only imagine the bomb that Mahomes would've released there for Tyreek.

ct 05-03-2017 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 12851198)
You are 1 post away from my ban list.

it wont matter if you ban him, there are still too many dipshits that fall for his trolling and continually QUOTE EVERY ****ING POST that you still cant get rid of his bullshit

thank you.

ct 05-03-2017 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 12852309)
How many times do you guys have to be reminded that Hill wasn't open on that play? Look at the safety there, he's 15 yards from Hill and standing still. When he starts to run toward the LOS he's just baiting Smith into making that throw. You guys just don't see the strategy here. If Smith makes that throw it's a walk in TD. How in the hell is that good for the team? By running out of bounds he set us up for a potential hidden touchdown with his gigabytes and game changing accuracy on the bubble screen to Maclin that he also didn't throw because the corner was within 8 yards with no other defender within 20.

youre ****ing stupid if you dont see the point

if alex sees that developing 1 second after teh snap and lofts it on the left hash over the S head, it's a td

EDIT: i'm and idiot, my bad :)

keg in kc 05-03-2017 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ct (Post 12855935)
youre ****ing stupid if you dont see the point

if alex sees that developing 1 second after teh snap and lofts it on the left hash over the S head, it's a td

Looks like you might need to adjust your sarcasm detector.

ct 05-03-2017 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 12855941)
Looks like you might need to adjust your sarcasm detector.

GD-it

rebooting...

also, i should finish reading the post. got halfway in and jumped his shit

my bad

:)

DJ's left nut 05-03-2017 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by mdchiefsfan (Post 12851185)
An interesting tidbit in regards to his footwork, I thought, was in the Gruden's Camp video. He was discussing his throw off his back foot, while running to his left, to the back left of the end zone, and said something along the lines of," That is the Short Stop coming out of me." I found that interesting, and that throw is much like a SS throwing to first after a slow-roller.

Now, I am sure Mahomes isn't the first baseball/football player to play QB, but it may actucally give him so leeway on his footwork in the sense of consistency. If that is the case, the footwork is actually intentional and developed, and doesn't appear to affect his accuracy.

Russell Wilson and John Elway spring immediately to mind. Then some busts like Drew Henson, Kaepernick, Chad Hutchison and Brandon Weedon.

But most were pitchers. Elway was an OFer, IIRC so he wouldn't have had that flick release that infielders learn. Wilson's the only other infielder I can think of but I'm certain all those premier athletes also played something on their off days growing up. Most of the time your best pitcher will also play some OF or 3b; SS isn't as common.

He's absolutely right, though. I played SS as a kid and to this day I can throw a ball nearly as accurately from damn near underhand as I can straight over the top. And from a bunch of different arm angles. It's just what you get used to because your body can take you in a bunch of different angles and you need to be able to throw quickly from all of them.

So that's a pretty genuine comment, IMO. If a guy's spent a lot of time on the infield, he's gonna have a variable arm. That said, I disagree with the idea that he doesn't need to fix his feet or even some of his release. That kind of stuff is fine as a necessary option, but there's less margin for error on those throws. If your release point is off by much at all, you've gone completely heywire whereas a normal release is usually only off in a single direction.

Mahomes absolutely has to realize that any time he CAN set his feet and fire conventionally, he should. He doesn't seem to understand that right now or at least consistently practice it. He does some things that are just a little lazy and if he does them often enough, that's trouble. He can't just take a sidearm flip if coming over the top with a solid base is available to him. And no, his feet aren't right nearly as often as some are saying - they're really really bad. Like, arguably the worst in the draft bad. He has to fix that and quickly because if your platform isn't sound, you can never be confident where the ball is going, especially under duress.

But that's okay - if the dude has the right footwork already, he'd have gone #1 overall. The warts are why we were able to get him. It's just important that we not ignore them because we want this guy to succeed. The only way he WILL succeed is if the coaching staff fixes those faults.

DJ's left nut 05-03-2017 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 12852309)
How many times do you guys have to be reminded that Hill wasn't open on that play? Look at the safety there, he's 15 yards from Hill and standing still. When he starts to run toward the LOS he's just baiting Smith into making that throw. You guys just don't see the strategy here. If Smith makes that throw it's a walk in TD. How in the hell is that good for the team? By running out of bounds he set us up for a potential hidden touchdown with his gigabytes and game changing accuracy on the bubble screen to Maclin that he also didn't throw because the corner was within 8 yards with no other defender within 20.

In fairness, he didn't just run out of bounds.

He missed the throw downfield to Ware.

DRM08 05-03-2017 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12855959)
Russell Wilson and John Elway spring immediately to mind. Then some busts like Drew Henson, Kaepernick, Chad Hutchison and Brandon Weedon.

But most were pitchers. Elway was an OFer, IIRC so he wouldn't have had that flick release that infielders learn. Wilson's the only other infielder I can think of but I'm certain all those premier athletes also played something on their off days growing up. Most of the time your best pitcher will also play some OF or 3b; SS isn't as common.

He's absolutely right, though. I played SS as a kid and to this day I can throw a ball nearly as accurately from damn near underhand as I can straight over the top. And from a bunch of different arm angles. It's just what you get used to because your body can take you in a bunch of different angles and you need to be able to throw quickly from all of them.

So that's a pretty genuine comment, IMO. If a guy's spent a lot of time on the infield, he's gonna have a variable arm. That said, I disagree with the idea that he doesn't need to fix his feet or even some of his release. That kind of stuff is fine as a necessary option, but there's less margin for error on those throws. If your release point is off by much at all, you've gone completely heywire whereas a normal release is usually only off in a single direction.

Mahomes absolutely has to realize that any time he CAN set his feet and fire conventionally, he should. He doesn't seem to understand that right now or at least consistently practice it. He does some things that are just a little lazy and if he does them often enough, that's trouble. He can't just take a sidearm flip if coming over the top with a solid base is available to him. And no, his feet aren't right nearly as often as some are saying - they're really really bad. Like, arguably the worst in the draft bad. He has to fix that and quickly because if your platform isn't sound, you can never be confident where the ball is going, especially under duress.

But that's okay - if the dude has the right footwork already, he'd have gone #1 overall. The warts are why we were able to get him. It's just important that we not ignore them because we want this guy to succeed. The only way he WILL succeed is if the coaching staff fixes those faults.

Agree with you on everything. Pat would have gone #1 overall if he had good footwork and mechanics. It's a blessing in disguise that he had these flaws because now he is in the hands of a proven QB whisperer who will hopefully get the most out of him. They have a lot of work to do and now we just have to see how it all plays out.

Believe I read somewhere that Aaron Rodgers was a shortstop in Little League and it has definitely helped him as a quarterback to make those throws in scrambling situations.

Also will point out Kaep was nowhere near as accurate in college as Mahomes. You can see why Harbaugh wanted Kaep. 38 on the Wonderlic, 95 mph baseball arm, 4.5 speed in the 40, etc. But it turned out his accuracy problems and inability to read defenses limited his effectiveness in the NFL.

Weeden never showed an ability to throw on the run. He had a big arm but he was a 100% pocket passer and he was also surrounded by some big time talent like Justin Blackmon. Weeden was also ancient in terms of age for a college QB. That limited his upside in a big way compared to a guy like Mahomes who does have that unique accuracy/velocity in scrambling situations and is a true junior at 21 years old. Weeden was 28 years old on Draft Day 2012.

Pat has a ton to learn and fix in his game, but that also means the upside potential is very exciting if the coaches can help him fix some of his issues.

raybec 4 05-03-2017 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ct (Post 12855948)
GD-it

rebooting...

also, i should finish reading the post. got halfway in and jumped his shit

my bad

:)

No worries at all.


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