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'Hamas' Jenkins 09-02-2014 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 10874288)
Wacha starts Thrusday at the Brewers. He should have full arm strength by the playoffs.

I wouldn't count on that. Remember that he is dealing with a stress reaction in his shoulder. We can't predict if it's going to respond to an increasingly heavy workload. It's an early stress fracture. Maybe he never has another issue with it, but this isn't merely a "stretch him out" kind of injury.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-02-2014 08:37 PM

Wainwright is just ridiculously overworked. Honestly, I'm surprised he lasted this long into the season before getting pounded.

O.city 09-02-2014 08:44 PM

Waino looks gassed. All those 120 pitch outings in a blow out we're unnecessary.

Also, they keep showing Herzog, anyone else notice te two chicks behind him with the big cans?

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-02-2014 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10875017)
Waino looks gassed. All those 120 pitch outings in a blow out we're unnecessary.

Also, they keep showing Herzog, anyone else notice te two chicks behind him with the big cans?

It's not just this year, but the cumulative workload of the last two. It's too much to expect.

BigRedChief 09-03-2014 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10875106)
It's not just this year, but the cumulative workload of the last two. It's too much to expect.

Yep, bet the same issue with Rosenthal. He got 4 days rest and he looked a lot better. Nesheck got a days rest and he looked good. See a pattern? evidentley Matheny doesn't see an issue with overuse enough to change his usage of his top line pitchers.

BigRedChief 09-03-2014 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10874749)
I wouldn't count on that. Remember that he is dealing with a stress reaction in his shoulder. We can't predict if it's going to respond to an increasingly heavy workload. It's an early stress fracture. Maybe he never has another issue with it, but this isn't merely a "stretch him out" kind of injury.

I know anything with a shoulder injury in a pitcher is career threatening way more than worrying about this year. I hope they know what they are doing sending up against MLB hitters after only 2 innings of work in the minors.

George Liquor 09-03-2014 02:21 PM

JFC Rosenthal.

First pitch - line drive single to right.

George Liquor 09-03-2014 02:25 PM

way to rebound

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-03-2014 02:38 PM

Pete Cock****in' Bourjos.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-FpcyFABSwu...s1600/tuco.gif

BigRedChief 09-03-2014 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10876621)

dude. you have to admit there is something positive going on with this team. When you get Pete Kozma, Delcasco, Bourjas, Seth Maness, Grichuk making positive contributions, Holliday heats up and so on something positive is happening with your team.

I think Molina being back has paid such positive dividends. Look at Martinez's, Miller's and Rosenthal's outings. They threw pitches in counts we haven't seen them throw all year. They get off track, Yadi makes a trip to the mound and wham, they are back on track.

That was some ballsy shit to allow Martinez to take on McCutchen with the game on the line, runners in scoring position. If it fails, everyone will be all over Matheny. I think they have decided that if Rosenthal falters, Martinez gets the 9th and leave Neschek in the 8th.

Mi_chief_fan 09-03-2014 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 10876732)
dude. you have to admit there is something positive going on with this team. When you get Pete Kozma, Delcasco, Bourjas, Seth Maness, Grichuk making positive contributions, Holliday heats up and so on something positive is happening with your team.

I think Molina being back has paid such positive dividends. Look at Martinez's, Miller's and Rosenthal's outings. They threw pitches in counts we haven't seen them throw all year. They get off track, Yadi makes a trip to the mound and wham, they are back on track.

That was some ballsy shit to allow Martinez to take on McCutchen with the game on the line, runners in scoring position. If it fails, everyone will be all over Matheny. I think they have decided that if Rosenthal falters, Martinez gets the 9th and leave Neschek in the 8th.

I can no longer deny it.

George Liquor 09-03-2014 05:49 PM

I was about to admit that I gave this team my kiss of death by putting $50 on them to win the World Series in March.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-03-2014 08:51 PM

I think it's easy to be seduced by narratives, but that doesn't always make them true. Descalso's BABIP is something like .425 since the ASB. Kozma getting two big hits is nice, but he's still Pete Kozma.

Wacky shit can happen in a small sample size; we're just lucky that the team is running hot right now.

The Brewers played out of their ****ing skulls in April and have been a sub .500 team since.

I agree that it's nice that things worked out, but the Martinez-McCutchen AB was a white knuckler all the way. 10 pitches and he only swung and missed at one.

In essence, I'm saying that luck doesn't distribute itself evenly across random events. They appear much more even when viewed through a larger prism. You'll have two week periods where every ball drops. We're in one right now. Doesn't make the team great, but the run is certainly enjoyable.

BigRedChief 09-03-2014 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10877635)
I think it's easy to be seduced by narratives, but that doesn't always make them true. Descalso's BABIP is something like .425 since the ASB. Kozma getting two big hits is nice, but he's still Pete Kozma.

Wacky shit can happen in a small sample size; we're just lucky that the team is running hot right now.

The Brewers played out of their ****ing skulls in April and have been a sub .500 team since.

I agree that it's nice that things worked out, but the Martinez-McCutchen AB was a white knuckler all the way. 10 pitches and he only swung and missed at one.

In essence, I'm saying that luck doesn't distribute itself evenly across random events. They appear much more even when viewed through a larger prism. You'll have two week periods where every ball drops. We're in one right now. Doesn't make the team great, but the run is certainly enjoyable.

who in their right mind thinks Kozma is now a good player? That's the point. Even shit players are contributing.

It should have been a white knuckler. The dude is the reining MVP. He's a damn good player. It's suppose to be hard to get him
Out. Mathemy decided to take him on and not let him have a free pass. Play to win the game move.

I know it's small sample size. But, they are ranked 6th in the league in runs scored since July 31st. They have been coming from behind in games for weeks now. I'm sure we will look like shit again before the season is over. Doesn't mean we won't get hot in the playoffs and win another.Keep hope alive.:rolleyes:
/gets off the hope soapbox

Pasta Little Brioni 09-03-2014 09:51 PM

Cards winning down the stretch. ....shocking


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