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Dave Lane 07-31-2012 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 8780840)
Can't support the draft position argument before the season even starts But another thing that really bothers me about our QB situation is that we're getting to a point where we're going to waste the careers of DJ, Hali, Flowers, etc.

Not listing Bowe on purpose, obviously.
This is the biggest problem. Throwing away another year of all these guys plus Charles if Cassel will never develop further is a waste we can't afford.

Rausch 07-31-2012 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 8780904)
The Montana move was indeed risky, and one could argue that it was ultimately a mistake. First rounder for a AFC title game appearance? Eh, sounds like paradise right now given the level of futility that we've enjoyed watching.
Exactly.

If not for that trade I would have never watched the Chiefs win a playoff game.

NEH-VER.

I would compare it to the Payed-a-ton move with Denver. The big difference being the $$$. HOF QB coming back from a serious injury at the end of his career.

Yeah, it's risky, but if it pays off who cares?...

DaneMcCloud 07-31-2012 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 8780904)
The organization will either have to nut up or get really lucky.
This is the exact point I was trying to make the other night: Teams like Pittsburgh are "lucky". They hadn't drafted a QB in the first round since 1980 and went the entire decade of the 90's with second rate journeyman and a guy that was better suited at wide receiver as their QB. Had the Steelers had any balls and traded for a Steve Young or moved up to draft a guy, they might have TEN Super Bowl rings right now.

Rothlisberger fell into their laps. They didn't make a move to get him. Tom Brady fell into the Patriots laps. They didn't make a move to get him. That doesn't "prove" great ownership or a great front office: It proves that they they were lucky that those players fell to them.

Yet, I've seen people on this forum bash the Giants and Eli Manning and bash the Chargers and Philip Rivers. Hell, at least those two teams MADE something happen. The freaking Chargers took a first round QB in 1998, the 32nd overall pick was a QB in 2001 and they finally got it "right" in 2004.

If the Chiefs don't advance deep into the playoffs, I can't imagine a situation where Clark Hunt does not demand that Slick Scotty acquire a first round QB in 2013.

The Mayor 07-31-2012 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 8780912)
Actually, Mike Elkins was a #2, Matt Blundin was a #2, Steve Stenstrom was a #4, etc. Stenstrom was well thought of at the time, even though he never suited up for the Chiefs.

Anyway, Carl KNEW they were in "Win Now" mode in the 90's and did his best to "Win Now". I don't get that feeling from Pioli, due to the fact that Dwayne Bowe is unsigned, Brandon Carr was allowed to walk, Kyle Orton wasn't re-signed and no QB was drafted in 2012.
Dane, not disputing your point, but I remember Blundin being our third QB in 1992 behind Dave Krieg and someone else.

007 07-31-2012 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 8780912)
Actually, Mike Elkins was a #2, Matt Blundin was a #2, Steve Stenstrom was a #4, etc. Stenstrom was well thought of at the time, even though he never suited up for the Chiefs.

Anyway, Carl KNEW they were in "Win Now" mode in the 90's and did his best to "Win Now". I don't get that feeling from Pioli, due to the fact that Dwayne Bowe is unsigned, Brandon Carr was allowed to walk, Kyle Orton wasn't re-signed and no QB was drafted in 2012.
Don't forget about the stud we had in Pat Barnes at a 3 pick.

DaneMcCloud 07-31-2012 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by The Mayor (Post 8780926)
Dane, not disputing your point, but I remember Blundin being our third QB in 1992 behind Dave Krieg and someone else.
Oops, you are correct, sir. Second rounder, 1992. My memory's fading...

:D

Ace Gunner 07-31-2012 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 8780871)
The difference between Carl's first five years and Pioli's first five years is that Carl and Marty really tried hard to find a solution at QB. They had DeBerg and brought in Kreig. They traded for Joe Montana, signed Rich Gannon and Steve Bono. In 1997, they signed Elvis Grbac over guys like Chris Chandler and Jeff George. They drafted Mike Elkins and Matt Blundin, along with Steve Stenstrom and others.

The point being is that they made an concerted effort to bring in a quality QB in order to "Win Now", because outside of the QB, the Chiefs WERE ready to "Win Now". Now obviously, they weren't as successful as we all had hoped but you can't scoff at them for not trying.

OTOH, Pioli's done an above average job at roster construction the past few years with the exception of QB. Fine, trade for Matt Cassel. But don't stop there - bring in veteran talent to compete, continue to draft guys and do your damnedest to get that Franchise guy on your roster.

So far, he's failed, which is why the Chiefs continue to fail.
Carl Peterson started with a lot more talent on the team. Saleamua, Neil Smith, Lewis & Ross, Okoye, Cherry and others were already on the team. Peterson drafted Mike Elkins with the 34th pick, top 2nd round choice there.

I think Pioli gets at least 2 more years to put this team together, until the end of 2014 season. Other than the Cassel trade, I think he's done well here.

DaneMcCloud 07-31-2012 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 8780929)
Don't forget about the stud we had in Pat Barnes at a 3 pick.
You know, Barnes had a real chance before his shoulder injury at the Senior Bowl. It's a damn shame that didn't work out.

The Mayor 07-31-2012 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 8780932)
Oops, you are correct, sir. Second rounder, 1992. My memory's fading...

:D
I remember having a Blundin fridge magnet! LOL

007 07-31-2012 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 8780935)
You know, Barnes had a real chance before his shoulder injury at the Senior Bowl. It's a damn shame that didn't work out.
I was really looking forward to seeing what he could do at the time. Just more bad luck on our part.

DaneMcCloud 07-31-2012 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefsfootballfan (Post 8780933)
Carl Peterson started with a lot more talent on the team. Saleamua, Neil Smith, Lewis & Ross, Okoye, Cherry and others were already on the team. Peterson drafted Mike Elkins with the 34th pick, top 2nd round choice there.
Peterson acquired Saleamua through Plan B Free Agency. He also didn't **** up the 4th overall selection in 1989, which was huge. There was a debate going on as to which was the better linebacker, Broderick Thomas or Derrick Thomas. Broderick had a fine career but not a Hall of Fame career.


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Originally Posted by chiefsfootballfan (Post 8780933)
I think Pioli gets at least 2 more years to put this team together, until the end of 2014 season. Other than the Cassel trade, I think he's done well here.
Two more years?

LMAO

I'm not laughing at your statement, it's just that how in the ****ing world can it take SIX YEARS to put together a competitive roster together in KC when teams turnaround in two or three years all the time?

O.city 07-31-2012 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 8780943)
Peterson acquired Saleamua through Plan B Free Agency. He also didn't **** up the 4th overall selection in 1989, which was huge. There was a debate going on as to which was the better linebacker, Broderick Thomas or Derrick Thomas. Broderick had a fine career but not a Hall of Fame career.




Two more years?

LMAO

I'm not laughing at your statement, it's just that how in the ****ing world can it take SIX YEARS to put together a competitive roster together in KC when teams turnaround in two or three years all the time?
Like you said in the other thread I think, most of those teams that turn around quickly happen to get a franchise qb to start with. Not wait til the rest of the roster is together.

Marcellus 07-31-2012 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 8780943)
Peterson acquired Saleamua through Plan B Free Agency. He also didn't **** up the 4th overall selection in 1989, which was huge. There was a debate going on as to which was the better linebacker, Broderick Thomas or Derrick Thomas. Broderick had a fine career but not a Hall of Fame career.




Two more years?

LMAO

I'm not laughing at your statement, it's just that how in the ****ing world can it take SIX YEARS to put together a competitive roster together in KC when teams turnaround in two or three years all the time?
We have a competitive roster right now.

DaneMcCloud 07-31-2012 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 8780946)
We have a competitive roster right now.
I would say that we have an incomplete competitive roster. I don't think there's anyone outside of One Arrowhead Drive that truly believes that Matt Cassel can lead a team to the Super Bowl.

The Mayor 07-31-2012 05:16 PM
We have a talented roster.


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