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RunKC 11-12-2024 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 17801623)
I wasn't a big Worthy fan pre-draft but I expected us to get more than we are getting.

Patrick has not been himself this year. He’s missed Worthy on multiple wide open deep shots this year.

He was 3 steps behind the defense vs Denver and SF and Mahomes made poor throws.

Shiver Me Timbers 11-12-2024 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17801700)
Patrick has not been himself this year. He’s missed Worthy on multiple wide open deep shots this year.

He was 3 steps behind the defense vs Denver and SF and Mahomes made poor throws.

I blame it 100% on the LT. He has no confidence in his protection even when there actually is a pocket to move up into.

Dunerdr 11-12-2024 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Shiver Me Timbers (Post 17801753)
I blame it 100% on the LT. He has no confidence in his protection even when there actually is a pocket to move up into.

It's 100 percent this. Part is not trusting wide outs. You can see he throws like he means it to dhop, Kelce and occasionally Watson. He's rarely using the rifle to throw to anyone else. But Not trusting his back side has him thinking about things other than the throw and coverage. I'd imagine we could get away with a sub par play at any other position on the line from what we've seen. I was not a Smith or OBJ fan but both of them had him more settled than what we've seen so far. They usually lost slow at the least.

DJ's left nut 11-12-2024 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Shiver Me Timbers (Post 17801753)
I blame it 100% on the LT. He has no confidence in his protection even when there actually is a pocket to move up into.

Fellas - he hasn't had a good deep ball his entire career.

He just used to have Tyreek Hill out there flagging it down.

He needs to work on his deep ball technique. Probably can't be done until the offseason. But he throws it flat and always has.

O.City thinks he throws it that way because he's late to pull the trigger and has to get more on it. It's as logical a reason as any, really. I think he's just in love with his arm a bit and has never had a good 'run under' receiver - even Hill preferred to jump up and turn to catch it.

In either event, it's just a technique issue that he's going to want to work on. I see no reason to believe he can't eventually get it figured out but right now it's just not a club he has with any regularity.

NJChiefsFan 11-12-2024 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17801886)
Fellas - he hasn't had a good deep ball his entire career.

He just used to have Tyreek Hill out there flagging it down.

He needs to work on his deep ball technique. Probably can't be done until the offseason. But he throws it flat and always has.

O.City thinks he throws it that way because he's late to pull the trigger and has to get more on it. It's as logical a reason as any, really. I think he's just in love with his arm a bit and has never had a good 'run under' receiver - even Hill preferred to jump up and turn to catch it.

In either event, it's just a technique issue that he's going to want to work on. I see no reason to believe he can't eventually get it figured out but right now it's just not a club he has with any regularity.


I've thought the same thing to be honest. On that throw it looks like he picks him up late and panics and tries to rip it in there.

He definitely seems like he's playing to not make a mistake instead of to make a play, which is crazy to think. I don't think he cares about stats, but I can imagine that his bad statistical season is something he does not want to see get worse. He could have easily had four touchdowns and a classic mahomes day.

Honestly, in some ways I'd rather this be the issue. We know what Pat is capable of. It's good to see that Worthy is getting open at times. He easily could have two more touchdowns and a hundred more yards just on those two plays being executed slightly differently from both parties.

Pasta Little Brioni 11-12-2024 07:43 PM

Watch Russ deep balls. Absolute beautiful moon ball...then look at Pats flat rockets and there's our answer.

TheGuardian 11-12-2024 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17801886)
Fellas - he hasn't had a good deep ball his entire career.

He just used to have Tyreek Hill out there flagging it down.

He needs to work on his deep ball technique. Probably can't be done until the offseason. But he throws it flat and always has.

O.City thinks he throws it that way because he's late to pull the trigger and has to get more on it. It's as logical a reason as any, really. I think he's just in love with his arm a bit and has never had a good 'run under' receiver - even Hill preferred to jump up and turn to catch it.

In either event, it's just a technique issue that he's going to want to work on. I see no reason to believe he can't eventually get it figured out but right now it's just not a club he has with any regularity.

You nailed it. If Pat hits one deep I'm always surprised. That's all you gotta know.

I hope this offseason he shores up that part of his game because it's legit bad. Yes, when Reek was here it was better but that was Reek. NOt Pat. You can't overthrow Tyreek because his get off speed is insane. So Pat could hold it for a tad longer and then rip it and it worked.

Worthy takes longer to get to his top speed and he and Pat don't have this timed up.

But the ones he hit like in San Diego are RARE. And he shoulda easily hit the one Sunday.

ChiefGator 11-12-2024 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 17802333)
Yes, when Reek was here it was better but that was Reek. NOt Pat. You can't overthrow Tyreek because his get off speed is insane. So Pat could hold it for a tad longer and then rip it and it worked.

Honestly, many times it felt like Tyreek was fielding punts out there... he would just go get the damn ball. He really was special. I wonder if the Chiefs realized how special he was as a WR when they let him walk. Sometimes you get spoiled.

Chiefspants 11-12-2024 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefGator (Post 17802429)
I wonder if the Chiefs realized how special he was as a WR when they let him walk. Sometimes you get spoiled.

They did. They just bet on themselves to rebuild his value in the aggregate.

They succeeded. Everything from that trade through Draft Day was a transcendent period in the Andy-Mahomes era. They traded a Hall of Fame player and elevated their Super Bowl winning team to a dynasty.

TheGuardian 11-12-2024 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefGator (Post 17802429)
Honestly, many times it felt like Tyreek was fielding punts out there... he would just go get the damn ball. He really was special. I wonder if the Chiefs realized how special he was as a WR when they let him walk. Sometimes you get spoiled.

The 13 second game never happens without Reek.

RealSNR 11-12-2024 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefGator (Post 17802429)
Honestly, many times it felt like Tyreek was fielding punts out there... he would just go get the damn ball. He really was special. I wonder if the Chiefs realized how special he was as a WR when they let him walk. Sometimes you get spoiled.

I think they realized how special two Super Bowl trophies are

Chiefspants 11-12-2024 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 17802470)
The 13 second game never happens without Reek.

Pity this was how it ended.

https://www.usatoday.com/gcdn/presto...pjpg&auto=webp

JPH83 11-12-2024 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17801886)
Fellas - he hasn't had a good deep ball his entire career.

He just used to have Tyreek Hill out there flagging it down.

He needs to work on his deep ball technique. Probably can't be done until the offseason. But he throws it flat and always has.

O.City thinks he throws it that way because he's late to pull the trigger and has to get more on it. It's as logical a reason as any, really. I think he's just in love with his arm a bit and has never had a good 'run under' receiver - even Hill preferred to jump up and turn to catch it.

In either event, it's just a technique issue that he's going to want to work on. I see no reason to believe he can't eventually get it figured out but right now it's just not a club he has with any regularity.

Amazed it's taken this long for someone to say this and have people agree!

RunKC 11-13-2024 12:46 PM

He knows. He watches film too. 100% confident it will get fixed by January

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DJ's left nut 11-13-2024 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 17802470)
The 13 second game never happens without Reek.

The 49ers SB doesn't happen either. Obviously there's WASP but lets remember that we had the 1 seed that year because of a goddamn remarkable play from Reek (and Pat) in the Ravens game.

Without that, we're playing some road games in the post-season and we certainly don't have that cake-walk of a schedule with the way the seeding would've broken out.

I'll never shit on Tyreek (now, anyway. I shit on him plenty back before the details on his college stuff emerged). That dude was an animal for the Chiefs and helped lay the foundation of the team as it presently exists.

I'd love to get a farewell tour from him someday and still think we will.

Nor will I ever criticize Veach for dealing him - we did what we had to do.


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