King is a fool on NFL stuff and now he is embarrassing himself on the NCAA.

The NCAA didn't give up. The Supreme Court decided against them.

There was nothing the NCAA could do. Same deal with the NIL stuff. People wanted athletes to make money and have a free transfer. Now they are mad at the NCAA for giving them what they wanted. Hypocrites.

And guess what because of that Court decision, viewers instead of only being able to watch two or three games on Saturday, now can watch dozens of games. It is magnificent.

These media types like to complain about gambling's effect on sports, even as the organizations they work for all transition their sports coverage to focus on sports gambling as much as the sport itself.

He’s also relaying what NFL coaches/executives are telling him.

I dont think the NCAA has ever really had control of college football.

Recruiting, rules of the game, smaller D1AA-D2-D3....yes...

TV contracts, streaming, conference alignment, bowls...no way.

Yes on tv. That’s what led to the CFA and the 1984 SC decision. That always had control over TV

The entire worry about gambling now is hilarious to me. People are all bent about some players gambling about $4500 over 20 games...and they did it on LEGAL gambling networks that now make it easier than ever to catch them. In the past do you think they just didn't gamble? Hell no. They just did it on offshore books where nobody had any idea. TBH kids should probably just do that if they want to be safe.

The end game is to get rid of the NCAA. The B1G and SEC will be the new NCAA. Once the end is in sight blue blood basketball teams like Duke, Kansas, UCONN will have huge value as they will work to have their own post season basketball tournament. NCAA Tournament is really the only reason the NCAA is still alive and kicking. Without it they are dead. B1G and SEC need to figure out how to have their own tournament that is better.

They killed SMU

College football was always out of control. There were reform efforts in the 1920s and 1930s that were generally ignored. Some universities like Chicago did shutter their football programs and other schools like Pitt drastically cut back athletic aid. Much to their school's suffering.

The book "Shake Down the Thunder" covers the topic. It is a fascinating read.

The NCAA controlled television rights until 1984. The ballooning we see today is a result of that removal. It has been good and bad for the game.

Arizona’s President already salivating over the KU-Arizona basketball match-up…

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Arizona AD Dave Heeke says “the group up north” will continue to be UA’s biggest rival. <br><br>UA president Robert Robbins is looking forward to the Arizona-Kansas battles in basketball in the Big 12.<br><br>“That’s gonna be an intense rivalry.” <br><br>Is KU the new UCLA? <br><br>“They’re different.” <a href="https://t.co/JMAi95zF79">pic.twitter.com/JMAi95zF79</a></p>&mdash; Justin Spears (@JustinESports) <a href="https://twitter.com/JustinESports/status/1688606011710447616?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 7, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I still hate Arizona for stealing Lute Oleson. Although he knew how to choke it in the first round.

Hate Wichita State too.

Somehow I don’t see this appeasing Florida State and Clemson.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sources: In the next 24 hours, there’s two calls for the ACC to vet and have early exploratory discussions on the potential addition of Cal and Stanford. One is for ACC athletic directors and the other for the league&#39;s presidents and chancellors.</p>&mdash; Pete Thamel (@PeteThamel) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1688627770987794433?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 7, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The Atlantic Coast Conference.

Is looking for members out of California.

Yeah, that's gonna fix everything.

This really does seem likely to eventually settle into a couple powerhouse football conferences and a couple powerhouse basketball conferences.

But honestly, the NIL and free transfer stuff has made it a lot harder to give a shit about any of the conferences/rivalries.

The ACC needs powerhouse programs on the field not academic giants.

OK, so this is just stupid for the ACC. So what will become of the Pac 4?

I read a story today that said SDSU & Ore. State is still talking to the B12 about future acceptance.

I don't see this either, if the B12 wanted CBB, UConn & Gonzaga would be better but that has an unbalanced CFB schedule. Scheduling really comes into play with a larger conferences.

I don't think Cal moves the needle (financially as an Athletic Department they're ****ed), and I recognize that Stanford FB is shit right now and their AD has budget problems.

However, Stanford still has one of the best athletic departments in the country and if they can be what they were at the end of Harbaugh's tenure and the majority of Shaw's, they can be an asset.

My only hope is this helps shakes things up enough where it's not UGA, Bama and Tosu in the championship game every year

And they still won't beat them.

College football will eventually follow the path of how the Premier League was formed, with the top 20 or so programs breaking away to form their own super conference.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Pac-12 had an offer from ESPN of $30 million per school in the fall of 2022. The network wanted it all. But the presidents and chancellors wanted more.<br><br>“We said we want $50 million per school.”<br><br>ESPN&#39;s response?<br><br>“Goodbye.”<br><br>Read: <a href="https://t.co/5FvvINZHQ2">https://t.co/5FvvINZHQ2</a> <a href="https://t.co/E8FS2oRiXe">pic.twitter.com/E8FS2oRiXe</a></p>&mdash; John Canzano (@johncanzanobft) <a href="https://twitter.com/johncanzanobft/status/1689998088356642817?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Long term, $30 million is way behind the Big 10 and SEC.

ACC officially adding Cal, Stanford and SMU.

Cal and Stanford in the ATLANTIC COAST Conference as their campuses overlook the Pacific… hilarious.

Dat travel

Cal and Stanford receive an undeserved lifeline.

This won't fix the ACC's football problem.

Maybe, maybe not. I'm guessing their gamble is Notre Dame. They already have them in all sports but football, throwing out that lifeline to one of their rivals in Stanford might just be an attempt to convince them to bring football on into the picture as well.

Whether it works or not is anybody's guess, but if it does it would be a valuable boost to that conference. Of course, the flip side to that is if it doesn't than this move only serves to be a drain.

Not sure why they did this as neither Cal or Stanford add anything to the ACC besides two more mouths to feed. SMU isn't getting anything for a while, so the ACC loses nothing adding them.

Just because I am not informed--what is the problem with ACC?
TV contract? schools suck?
just asking

So does that leave Oregon State and Washington homeless at the moment?

Man - the friggen Pac 10 really just vanished. That's remarkable.

20 years ago that would've seemed as unlikely as the SEC imploding would be to us now.

acc becomes the Bi-coastal conference

It seems they are all that is left. Maybe they become the PAC-2. Guaranteed one of them will win the conference every year. Most likely though is they join the MWC. At this point no other conference wants them. The MWC snags two bigger name schools while WSU and Oregon State aren't left completely homeless.

It will be a merger where the MWC takes the Pac-12 name. Now, what happens to the remaining Pac-12 assets remains to be seen. The current belief is that OSU and WSU would own them all including future revenue shares generated by former members for stuff like tournaments.

So the MWC and Pac 12 merge to form the new PAC and probably grab UTSA, Gonzaga (basketball only), and another member like North Texas.

Can you imagine being on the ****in' softball or cross country team and having to travel from CA to NC/etc. for every ****ing game? **** that.
I feel for the kids in the non-revenue sports. I would fully favor having FB and MBB have a totally different conference structure than the non-revenue sports. But that would make too much sense.

The ACC is on borrowed time… FSU, Clemson, Miami, UNC, Virginia, etc. will continue to look for a way out of the GOR and jump to the Big 10 or SEC as soon as the opportunity is available.

Even if that happens, we're still ****ed. We aren't going to have near the money and our good players and coaches are going to get poached by the power (now) 4 conference schools. Both schools are looking at large debts from recent stadium renovations, too. This whole thing ****ing sucks.

Left over Pac-12 assets and media shares are about 200 million. The conference as a legal entity with members just has to exist by Aug,1 2024.

So you create the new Pac conference.

Pac North:
WSU
OSU
Boise St
SJSU
Utah St
Wyoming
Colorado St
Nevada

Pac South:
SDSU
Fresno St
Hawaii (Football Only)
UNLV
Air Force
New Mexico
UTSA
One of North Texas, Rice, Tulane, UTEP, etc.

Can you imagine being the coach of the softball or cross country team and trying to recruit?

Okay, you can offer a scholarship to a prestigious academic school but as a sought after athlete, I'm thinking twice, and thinking again about signing up for that crap traveling schedule.

Don't the lower level sports do their own thing despite conference already?

Track and field has a different scheduling dynamic than football/basketball, but I looked at Kansas' schedule and there is nothing outside the midwest (Nebraska, Texas, Iowa, Arkansas). They did go to Stanford, though.

I don't know how softball scheduling works but noticed in last year's schedule they didn't go to West Virginia, maybe that was just coincidence.

As I understand it Track, Tennis, Rowing, Swimming, and maybe some other sports have Meets rather than a set amount of games and these tend to be more regional with many schools participating. It is soccer, baseball, basketball, softball, and volleyball that will bear the brunt of the schedule.

Considering post collegiate prospects for a career in softball and cross country I would jump on a scholarship to a Stanford or Cal in a heartbeat.

SMU won’t get any media rights fees from the ACC for NINE years. LMAO

The ACC won’t be in existence by then.

All Coasts Conference.

And no doubt somebody will.

But for a dramatically reduced amount of travel, that scholarship to Duke is going to look mighty tempting for the top prospect...

IF I am understanding it correctly the current ACC grant of rights runs through 2036 as long as they don't go below 12 teams, so it should. Who the hell knows at this point though.

So whos gonna win the race for the 3rd conference? Big 12 or ACC?

It will have no effect on a sport like Cross Country.

Stanford has eight Cross Country meets this year. Two are in Virginia and one is in Wisconsin. In the future, if they want to, they could run all of their meets in California except the ACC championship (which moves from year to year), regionals (they will be placed wherever the western regional is--possibly California), and the NCAA championship (which moves from year to year).

Some sports are going to be more impacted than others. So okay, track no effect. But don't many, most(?) sports feature two schools in a home versus away format?

Although perhaps they will try and figure out better ways to reduce the travel burden.

If the conferences were smart, they would look at multiple teams going to the same place.

UCLA playing at Iowa for VB/FB/CC in the same weekend.

Football conferences should exist differently than any other conferences

I concur, I ran XC at a minor program for a little bit. Nothing like a van road trip to Butler County Community College for some college adventure. But anyway.

For sports like XC and track, distance doesn’t matter as much because the league title is based on one meet and then the other meets can be local or wherever. Not a big deal.

The travel is significant in sports like soccer, baseball and softball where there are lots of games and they must play other teams in the league head to head on the road. I guess it’s nice to play baseball for Stanford on scholarship, it’s a great education. It will still appeal to the kids that want that Stanford degree and can’t afford to pay for it. But for the kid who might play pro, might get some NIL, he’s not going to want to be on the road 50% of the year on the east coast and I guess many will just say **** it and transfer.

Conference realignment is ****ing stupid and I blame ESPN for it.

ACC soccer only plays eight regular season ACC games and four of those games will be played at home. Assuming they let Stanford and UC Berkeley play each other every year, they'll only have three or four cross-country flights until the ACC tournament. For what it's worth, UC Berkeley has actually already traveled and played Wake Forest in men's soccer this year anyway.

Baseball typically plays a regional midweek game and then a three-game series (Friday night, Saturday night, and Sunday afternoon). It is a 10-series ACC schedule so that will have the baseball team flying across the country four or five times in the spring until the ACC tournament. That being said, they probably won't miss any more class than other baseball players in the ACC, they'll just be getting up really early on Friday and getting back a little late on Sunday.

The big ten will have 18 teams and the ACC will have teams on the West Coast.
Colorado cant decide which side of the mountains it wants to be on.

Huh?

Thanks for the information!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: Florida State has scheduled an emergency meeting of its Board of Trustees for Friday morning.<br><br>This is the first concrete step needed in any effort to enable the school to take legal action against the ACC to challenge the grant of rights: <a href="https://t.co/yMqciYLE3K">https://t.co/yMqciYLE3K</a></p>&mdash; Nicole Auerbach (@NicoleAuerbach) <a href="https://twitter.com/NicoleAuerbach/status/1737835675398123760?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 21, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Lol. Where they think they're gonna go?

Doubt the SEC is interested after all the bitching and moaning they did with the CFP.

And that's the only conference that makes sense regionally for them.

Respectfully, I don't think that's even close to a necessity anymore

Ya, "Regionally" went out the window a decade ago.

Not at all. You've got a school in the butthole of Missouri competing in the South East Conference for goodness sake

I am going to assume that FSU has some sort of under the table assurance from the Big 10 or SEC that they’d get offered membership, otherwise it would be pretty dumb of them to destroy the ACC without a legit alternative option.

The idea that the SEC would be butthurt over some past spat with FSU enough to decline the massive amounts of money it would mean to admit them is silly. Every dispute has a solution and the solution always comes in green.

The SEC wants nothing to do with them. Maybe the big 12 will take them? They're taking just about anybody right now.

TBH, I had NO idea that UCF was in the big 12. That's crazy.

Hey, what can you tell us about Corey Flagg, Jr?

Lives in Missouris asshole, yet roots for a team in Kansas with zero affiliation to the program or state. Makes more sense than that ROFL

KC is the asshole???? That's the joke on a Chiefs board???? Ferguson types running down a beautiful city just doesn't play well. You almost pulled it off, but just not quite there...

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Surely you've spent some time in the CoMo/Jeff City region Peej. Land of the CS1950 and fun political types

It's a regular trucking hub anyhow, you've pulled some loads and taken some loads there no?

Solid, veteran LB. He lost his starting job this season which probably contributed to his transfer decision.

Also playing for Blake Baker again, who was the DC at Miami and recruited Flagg there should help in terms of familiarity.

Any chance at FSU to Big 12?

Well, yes and no.

Gonna be hard to recruit in Florida and sell parents on it if you're not in ACC or SEC. Trying to sell HS coaches, parents, guardians on BIG10 is gonna be a tough sell. And, yeah, Big 12 has UCF, but that's a one off. And, being honest here, ACC to Big 12 is a lateral move, so why even bother if you're FSU?

It's stay where you're at, BIG10, SEC or bust . . . .

It's more than that. FSU has been throwing darts at the SEC for a while and I'm pretty confident FSU is gonna have a much tougher time recruiting against Georgia, Bama (and Florida, to some degree) for SEC recruits than they do Clemson and Miami now . . . . . .

Why would they want that?

The regionality thing went completely **** show when the big leftovers signed west virginia

that was such a head scratcher of a move

but fast forward to now and you have California and other west coast teams jining the Big and little big

Does it make a fan any less of a fan by not going to school there? Never understodd that at all.

Peej grew up in East St Louis where it's Cardinals baseball first and foremost, then latched onto the Chiefs for whatever reason when he had a perfectly good Rams team to cheer for. Since he was already straddling both sides of the state he went down the middle and chose mu for his college team. It was most likely forced on him by a family member, nobody chooses that mutt life. Luckily my dad only gave a shit about the Chiefs and didn't force any rooting interests on me for college sports.

Just my guess, but they have to have assurance from the Big 10 that the door is open if they can get in. I sincerely doubt it's the SEC since ESPN would effectively be blowing up the ACC by opening the door for FSU to join the SEC and since they've got that conference under really favorable terms until 2036 I doubt they're in a hurry to do that.

Roll out the red carpet Big 12. Don’t screw around.

Maybe a small chance the Big 12 could make a play but I doubt it. They say UNC and Clemson are more valuable than FSU, don't know why.

Getting Florida State, North Carolina, Georgia Tech and Duke/Miami would be a pipedream. Have to think Virginia and Clemson are in the SEC someday.

Yormark may be able to advertise to UNC and Duke how amazing of a bball conference it would be and to Florida State and Georgia Tech that maybe they could become national football powers again in an easier football conference. If they go to Big or SEC they will get annihilated. Would be good for their mid to long term financial well being.

Zero ****ing chance the SEC takes either team.

Seems like if this “Super League” concept ever actually happened, it would include a much smaller group of schools.

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