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tk13 10-20-2024 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17755557)
Keeping Moore was a Reid thing, not a Veach one. Glad that you rarely post. This is the only undefeated team in the league who has won 3 of the last 5 SBs on the backs of players he either scouted or drafted. Veach isn’t perfect, but if he’s as bad as you are trying to make it they would not be where they are.
It's 1000% Reid. It's not going to change. Pickens is a sideline deep ball contested-catch type WR. They were never ever going to draft a guy like that. The idea that they'd ever take him is a total fantasy.

Pickens himself came out last year during a slump and said he can't produce running short routes. Hard to imagine any WR who thinks that working out in a Reid offense.

Mahomes007 10-20-2024 07:28 PM
I was also taken aback when he overpaid $10 mil a season for MVS, who had displayed stone hands during his Green Bay tenure. I mean all the footage for seasons was there to see, playing with ARod but still... I get they needed a field stretcher in Tyreek's absence, but...

Basileus777 10-20-2024 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 17755591)
It's 1000% Reid. It's not going to change. Pickens is a sideline deep ball contested-catch type WR. They were never ever going to draft a guy like that. The idea that they'd ever take him is a total fantasy.

Pickens himself came out last year during a slump and said he can't produce running short routes. Hard to imagine any WR who thinks that working out in a Reid offense.
Reid doesn't want to run a bunch of sideline fades, Pickens was probably not even considered for this team.

tredadda 10-20-2024 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Mahomes007 (Post 17755571)
I recognize that and it is a golden era we do not take for granted. Just feel Veach is overrated in some ways.
He’s not overrated though. The results speak for themselves. He’s not perfect and no one is saying that he is. He had the guts to trade Tyreek when no one else would have done that. He used those picks to build a juggernaut.

Now he probably didn’t expect to lose Hollywood on the first play of the preseason, nor lose Rice on a freak injury, Pacheco on to injury, and then Juju.

Give him time to see if he can bring someone in. Understand that teams don’t like dealing with him and helping KC. Pittsburgh would not trade Dionte Johnson to KC, the Raiders wouldn’t trade Adams to KC, and Buffalo told Diggs they would trade him to anyone but KC. Now who knows if Cleveland was willing to trade Cooper to KC.

Easy 6 10-20-2024 07:33 PM
If today taught me anything, its that we do NOT have to get all desperate and sell the farm for some overrated and late to the game bozo WR

Mahomes has proven he can make lesser receiving talent work over and over again... Veach is never going to reach for some old ass name, and I love it

Bet on what you've already built, and keep promoting from within

Basileus777 10-20-2024 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 17755607)
If today taught me anything, its that we do NOT have to get all desperate and sell the farm for some overrated and late to the game bozo WR

Mahomes has proven he can make lesser receiving talent work over and over again... Veach is never going to reach for some old ass name, and I love it

Bet on what you've already built, and keep promoting from within
A mid-round pick so that they are not giving snaps to Skyy Moore in a year where the rest of the team is good enough to three-peat is not selling the farm.

TwistedChief 10-20-2024 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Mahomes007 (Post 17755595)
I was also taken aback when he overpaid $10 mil a season for MVS, who had displayed stone hands during his Green Bay tenure. I mean all the footage for seasons was there to see, playing with ARod but still... I get they needed a field stretcher in Tyreek's absence, but...
You do realize Hill was traded late in the offseason? Who else was out there as a viable deep threat at that point? Or any other threat?

And if you’re going to say, “They should’ve traded him earlier then,” you’re not understanding the timeline of the Adams trade and extension and how that impacted things.

Mahomes007 10-20-2024 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 17755607)
If today taught me anything, its that we do NOT have to get all desperate and sell the farm for some overrated and late to the game bozo WR

Mahomes has proven he can make lesser receiving talent work over and over again... Veach is never going to reach for some old ass name, and I love it

Bet on what you've already built, and keep promoting from within
Today was against a depleted Niners team missing their top 3 WR's too. Just like Eric Fisher's injury in the AFCCG was the final straw that broke the camel's back in the Super Bowl, I worry the injuries this year will result in a similar outcomes against playoff or super bowl calibre teams.

When we go up against talented teams, who have improved their skill positions like Buffalo or Jets with Cooper and Adams respectively, who've added to all their talent.

If they can add one bona-fide WR, that would go a long way to reassurance. With hope that Hollywood, Pacheco, and Omenihu all return this eason, in a best case scenario.

smithandrew051 10-20-2024 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Mahomes007 (Post 17755560)
No, certainly GM's make blunders all the time. But Veach does get more than his share of passes and more credit than he's due. We were very fortunate to win the SB last year, in spite of some of Veach's decisions and miscalculations.
Yeah…uhh…winning 3 Super Bowls will do that

smithandrew051 10-20-2024 07:47 PM
So since Veach has been the GM:

Win the division every year
Go to the AFCCG every year
Go to 4 Super Bowls
Win 3 Super Bowls

“Why are people giving Veach a pass for 3 WRs and a RB getting hurt???”

tredadda 10-20-2024 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Mahomes007 (Post 17755623)
Today was against a depleted Niners team missing their top 3 WR's too. Just like Eric Fisher's injury in the AFCCG was the final straw that broke the camel's back in the Super Bowl, I worry the injuries this year will result in a similar outcomes against playoff or super bowl calibre teams.

When we go up against talented teams, who have improved their skill positions like Buffalo or Jets with Cooper and Adams respectively, who've added to all their talent.

If they can add one bona-fide WR, that would go a long way to reassurance. With hope that Hollywood, Pacheco, and Omenihu all return this eason, in a best case scenario.
Let’s revisit this after the trade deadline as Veach still has time to address the WR situation. We are only seven weeks in so there is no guarantee that this injury bug will continue for this team now will it not strike others.

Dunerdr 10-20-2024 07:51 PM
If anything I’m more interested in trading for a tackle if ones available as we see more.

UChieffyBugger 10-20-2024 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Mahomes007 (Post 17755623)
Today was against a depleted Niners team missing their top 3 WR's too. Just like Eric Fisher's injury in the AFCCG was the final straw that broke the camel's back in the Super Bowl, I worry the injuries this year will result in a similar outcomes against playoff or super bowl calibre teams.

When we go up against talented teams, who have improved their skill positions like Buffalo or Jets with Cooper and Adams respectively, who've added to all their talent.

If they can add one bona-fide WR, that would go a long way to reassurance. With hope that Hollywood, Pacheco, and Omenihu all return this eason, in a best case scenario.
Juju's injury isn't longterm, Pacheco will return soon to bolster the RB room and Brown could well be back in December. Plus the defense will be boosted by Omenihu's return. So cheer up fgs it's not that deep :evil:

RealSNR 10-20-2024 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Mahomes007 (Post 17755560)
No, certainly GM's make blunders all the time. But Veach does get more than his share of passes and more credit than he's due. We were very fortunate to win the SB last year, in spite of some of Veach's decisions and miscalculations.
If being the GM of an NFL team means you're going to have misses, then isn't it about having more makes than other GMs do?

Which *checks scorecard* yep, it appears Veach does.

Die, dumbass

Mosbonian 10-20-2024 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Mahomes007 (Post 17755524)
You have got to blame Brett Veach for all this.

People always give him the credit when they don't acknowledge all his idiotic mistakes of his tenure, such as the Frank Clark overpay in terms of draft compensation and contract, swapping of that 5th round pick for Darian Kinnard to avoid drafting Pickens and instead take ****ing Skyy Moore (who has been pathetic from day one). Stubbornly hanging onto Moore on the active roster etc. When practically everyone was salivating at the thought of drafting Pickens who had fallen to that point, as he was the most viable talent left in our position of need, the draft after losing Tyreek. I mean, avoid a bona-fide talent just to move up a few picks in the 5th round to draft ****ing Darian Kinnard???

Overpaying on FA contracts on the wrong players like Jawaan Taylor or MVS, or just flat out overpaying far more than market value (Creed, Gray, etc), while electing to allow cheap FA's like Willie Gay and Khalen Saunders go. His belief last season that Kadarius Toney could be a WR1. And Skyy Moore WR2, even after observing them for the previous season. Frankly, the list goes on.
So.much about this is just silly...

First off...did you watch Gay the other day when The Saints played the Broncos? He looked lost and his "pursuit" skills are not as good as people seemed to infer....

Gray is definitely worth what they are paying him. Go ask Patrick Mahomes how much he trusts/values him right now?

Creed is the anchor of a stud guard/center/guard trio that every GM would kill to have. Keeping him here is essential to continuity and stability.

You have a couple of good points about Clark and Kinnard....but the rest of post just is silly.


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