Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16609396)

Evidently he isn't Toney or even Justin Watson either.

Everything is relative and relative to a brand new player and a complete JAG, Skyy Moore has been an afterthought in this offense.

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 16609288)

We didn't draft him to return punts.

I can see this point. Mahomes throws you the ball and you weren't in the spot you were supposed to be.... everyone in the stadium knows he's pissed off at you. That seems to piss him off on the field more than anything,

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16609405)

A complete JAG after 9 games? Don't you think that's a little extreme?

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16609411)

Justin Watson is the JAG to whom I am referring.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16609406)

He gets openly frustrated by 'effort' mistakes more than anything.

Think of the times he's really gotten on Hardman in the past and again on Moore this season - they're plays where the guy didn't finish the play off. He quit on the route or didn't go all out to get to a ball.

Mahomes seems somewhat patient when it comes to mental errors (he didn't react when he threw that pick against SF when Moore clearly blew the route). He seems to understand that this is a process.

But if he's getting frustrated with a player on the field, it's probably because he doesn't think that player finished the play off. Then when you see Moore jake a downfield block and notice the contrast in how he speaks of Toney (or even Watson) vs. Moore - well, some pieces start to fall into place.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16609392)

Virtually every play you can take any given WR and find a time that he's "wide open". That doesn't mean he's where he's supposed to be when he's supposed to be there. Moreover, it doesn't mean it wasn't a designed clear out or that he was a primary option on the play.

In the grand scheme of things...it doesn't mean much.

What we know is that Andy Reid is one of the most gifted offensive minds the league has ever seen. We also know that Patrick Mahomes is maybe the most dynamic and effective QB the league has ever seen.

And NEITHER of these guys seem compelled to get the football to Skyy Moore. Meanwhile Kadarius Toney came in and 2 weeks later was getting looks.

That's a hell of a lot more demonstrative of what's happening out there than a screen capture of an 'open' player.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16609392)

Virtually every play you can take any given WR and find a time that he's "wide open". That doesn't mean he's where he's supposed to be when he's supposed to be there. Moreover, it doesn't mean it wasn't a designed clear out or that he was a primary option on the play.

In the grand scheme of things...it doesn't mean much.

What we know is that Andy Reid is one of the most gifted offensive minds the league has ever seen. We also know that Patrick Mahomes is maybe the most dynamic and effective QB the league has ever seen.

And NEITHER of these guys seem compelled to get the football to Skyy Moore. Meanwhile Kadarius Toney came in and 2 weeks later was getting looks.

That's a hell of a lot more demonstrative of what's happening out there than a screen capture of an 'open' player.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16609396)

Evidently he isn't Toney or even Justin Watson either.

Everything is relative and relative to a brand new player and a complete JAG, Skyy Moore has been an afterthought in this offense.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16609621)

Comparing Toney and Skyy is odd. It’s literally apples to oranges.

Toney was an All SEC top 20 drafted talent. He was expected to be a #1 caliber WR. And here he will have every chance to be what Tyreek Hill was for us.

Skyy was never projected by anyone to be a #1 WR. He was always projected to be a quality starting WR, but not Toney.

And yes he is getting open. The reverse play was a specific play design for Toney. Even though Skyy was wide open 15 yards downfield Patrick threw it 3 yards quickly to Toney.

Toney is obviously more talented than Skyy. And he’s gonna get even better.

Skyy needs more experience just like…a lot of rookies. Getting upset that he isn’t setting the world on fire is bizarre especially when the offense looks great.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16609621)

Comparing Toney and Skyy is odd. It’s literally apples to oranges.

Toney was an All SEC top 20 drafted talent. He was expected to be a #1 caliber WR. And here he will have every chance to be what Tyreek Hill was for us.

Skyy was never projected by anyone to be a #1 WR. He was always projected to be a quality starting WR, but not Toney.

And yes he is getting open. The reverse play was a specific play design for Toney. Even though Skyy was wide open 15 yards downfield Patrick threw it 3 yards quickly to Toney.

Toney is obviously more talented than Skyy. And he’s gonna get even better.

Skyy needs more experience just like…a lot of rookies. Getting upset that he isn’t setting the world on fire is bizarre especially when the offense looks great.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16609676)

Gotta love these fading expectation arguments.

We went from "our new Wes Welker" to "Andy's offense is too hard" to "well Toney is actually talented so it's different ok".

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16609621)

Comparing Toney and Skyy is odd. It’s literally apples to oranges.

Toney was an All SEC top 20 drafted talent. He was expected to be a #1 caliber WR. And here he will have every chance to be what Tyreek Hill was for us.

Skyy was never projected by anyone to be a #1 WR. He was always projected to be a quality starting WR, but not Toney.

And yes he is getting open. The reverse play was a specific play design for Toney. Even though Skyy was wide open 15 yards downfield Patrick threw it 3 yards quickly to Toney.

Toney is obviously more talented than Skyy. And he’s gonna get even better.

Skyy needs more experience just like…a lot of rookies. Getting upset that he isn’t setting the world on fire is bizarre especially when the offense looks great.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16609676)

Gotta love these fading expectation arguments.

We went from "our new Wes Welker" to "Andy's offense is too hard" to "well Toney is actually talented so it's different ok".

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16278861)

I think that's pretty fair as well. I think Shepard came to the league more pro-ready, but I don't think that's Moore's fault. He just didn't play teams that would throw much at them defensively so he never really got a feel for playing against disguised looks, zones, etc....

Shepard was by no means an expert, but he was more advanced in that regard than Moore will be, IMO.

And really, Shepards numbers aren't far at all from what I said would be a reasonable expectation for Moore's 1st year results. I could see Moore having a very similar role as well.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16609718)

Who said he was Wes Welker? LMAO

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 16278645)

I watched and read a lot about Skyy leading up to the draft and think his best comp (in my view) is Wes Welker.

Best in slot but can play outside.
Can return punts and kickoffs (Veach said this would be part of his initial role in KC)
Elite quicks
Elite acceleration
Smaller in stature
Not a deep threat, but has the speed to be.
Very reliable hands
Good vision on adjustable routes
Smart

Skyy is bigger, but comparable.