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The fate of Chris Jones 2023 edition (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=349477)

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17068403)

Eh - they may not be fine without Chris Jones.

I mean they'll be a playoff team, but that's not the target.

This team is a LOT worse without him occupying that attention in the middle

At this point, I'm not worried about it. Does Jones make the defense better, sure, but he's not the only piece of the puzzle. There is only one player that would be a game changer, if he went down and we all know who that is.

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Originally Posted by Sassy Snatch (Post 17068406)

A tag and trade in 24 is viable too. There actually wasn't really a reason to trade him this offseason, even if he is being completely bullheaded at the negotiating table.

That 33.5 million dollar anvil for the tag during FA is gonna be tough though.

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Originally Posted by Sassy Snatch (Post 17068409)

LMAO Because it is? We probably wouldn't be the odds on favorite anymore, no, but to act like we'd just drop out of contention altogether is ****ing ridiculous.

Yeah...no.

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17068405)

I don't know if it's the Tyreek thing or what....but it's really surprised me how many here think this is a SB type team without Jones in the middle.

I don't think anyone's saying it's EASIER without Chris Jones, but lots of teams have won Super Bowls without Chris Jones.

I think we'd all rather try it WITH him than without.

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17068412)

That 33.5 million dollar anvil for the tag during FA is gonna be tough though.

Not if he holds out until week 8?

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 17068416)

I don't think anyone's saying it's EASIER without Chris Jones, but lots of teams have won Super Bowls without Chris Jones.

I think we'd all rather try it WITH him than without.

Taking away the teams best defensive player in a tight, difficult conference is going to make this team worse.

Margins are already pretty thin in the AFC.

Yeah. Honestly if he wants to hold out until midseason he's doing us a pretty nice solid. Keeps him fresh for the playoff push and makes the tag and trade route in 202 much more viable.

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17068418)

Taking away the teams best defensive player in a tight, difficult conference is going to make this team worse.

Margins are already pretty thin in the AFC.

Yeah, I don't think anyone would argue that it certainly makes things more difficult.

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17068412)

That 33.5 million dollar anvil for the tag during FA is gonna be tough though.

If he sits out to week 8, his PYS will fall substantially and the tag would probably end up being just the average of the top guys. In all this craziness... this could actually be a bit of a blessing in disguise.

He doesn't play till week 8, that's 7 weeks of no payment It'd save us about.... 8.2M from what I see? His hit on the tag and trade at that point probably drop to the average of the top 5 guys which would be around 24.7M next year....

This actually could work. It would also provide us 8.2M counting to rollover cap to next season.

And when he returns, there is no incentive in him not busting his ass to earn a new contract.

Then we have more availability to tag and trade.

Fun Conspiracy Idea: This is the ULTIMATE Burt Vatch 4-D Chess Move.

But this is not a good look for Jonesy.

Hope its a lot of smoke and no fire.

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17068418)

Taking away the teams best defensive player in a tight, difficult conference is going to make this team worse.

Margins are already pretty thin in the AFC.

Well at this point, it's up to Jones and he is under contract for this year. If I'm the Chiefs, I cover my bases and plan for the worst case scenario. I think Jones is FOS on the week 8 song and dance. If he's serious, they have to have a plan B in place and have some kind of an idea how to handle it.

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17068350)

Presumptively any team that trades for him does it with a new contract and can take on the deal pretty easily.

I'd think $10 million or better in space would be enough to get him a new deal and get him under it.

I mean lets say you're the Jags and you think you can win now with a QB still on a rookie contract. And you've got a guy who would WRECK as a 3-tech in that 3-5 system (and has done so, in fact).

And you have, say, DaVon Hamilton who obviously isn't Chris Jones or anything resembling him, but he's starting caliber. Though he did just have a back issue pop up on him so maybe you're looking at Fatukasi or Roy Roberston-Harris. Again - neither of them are exceptional but they can be short term contributors.

Now I'm not saying it's an obvious yes, but you offer them Jones for Hamilton (physical pending) and a 1st and 3rd - maaaaaybe?

It's not ideal by any means - I REALLY wouldn't want to be playing him in the post-season. But it's also not the only option out there. There are options if we had to go that route. Jones is 100% scheme versatile. You can send him to a 3-4 team or even a 4-3 team looking for a DE (where he was actually quite good last season when used out there).

Any team could use him and many teams could afford him.

But it's obviously a last resort scenario.

These are good points.

I still think the most likely scenario is he reports before Game 1. Probably doesn’t play until Week 3 in that scenario.

Next most likely is a prolonged holdout that sees him reporting around midseason.

Either of those ends with him being moved next year. I would think he would want to avoid a scenario where his game checks are withheld, as I think we determined that might affect his tag number, right? And he doesn’t want to lose any bargaining power with that.

Least likely is he’s traded now/in-season. But good point that cap space won’t be quite as good an issue. You’d need a team that thinks it needs a push over the top to win now.

Saints?
Browns?
Cowboys?
Panthers?
Lions?

Unless the owners of the Browns or Cowboys take over and guide the wheel (or the Panthers, I guess, for that matter), just practically impossible to believe could happen.

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For those catching up

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Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 17068411)

How confident are you that Karlaftis is an immediate 10+ sack guy and Uzi 6-8.

Because without those 15 sacks and more critically, without the pressures and the double-teams, this DL is in trouble.

Y'all really don't remember how many games were nip/tuck right until the 4th quarter last year? Again, we don't beat Cincy without him. We don't beat Philly without him.

How's that not 'a game changer' if we don't have him?

This isn't just some swinging dick linebacker. This was probably the 3rd most impactful defensive player in football last season. He was THAT ****ing good.

It's really REALLY weird to me that folks are going to hand-waive that. Because as 'only one piece of the puzzle' but playing at an insanely high level, this defense was still only okay most of the season in 2022. Take him out of that equation and 'only okay' may be a pleasant memory.

Take him out and you're back to trying to outscore teams and hoping they make a mistake or you win a coin toss. That didn't work in '18 and wouldn't have worked even in '19 had the AFC not been a bucket of dicks that year.

We need the D to complement the O and Jones is the most critical component we have to that.

So I'm not gonna pretend like he doesn't matter. He does - in a big way.

But he's evidently lost his mind.

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17068433)

Did you know that DeShaun Watson has a $64 million cap hit each season from 24-26?

The Browns couldn't give him a new deal if they wanted to. They were absolutely a team I thought of (because sweet fancy moses, Jones and Garrett on the same DL?) but I don't see any way they can pay him.

What a catastrophically ****ing reeruned contract that guy has. I mean it just complete defies all reason. And he ain't even that good!