You really are reeruned aren't you? Oh well Ill let you just keep making a fool of yourself, you obviously have no desire to admit you are talking out your ass.

When we see Patrick scrambling downfield for a long run or first down we should all recognize how valuable a "coverage sack" is.

This is the problem with saying a guy is going to suck with zero reason and then rooting for your own shitty opinion to come true.


I've been guilty of it myself and try not to do that. I thought Bolton was going to suck but the difference is I admitted it almost immediately instead of trying to hold on to my crap opinion.

That's the difference and it has to do with ego. Tribal are you so ****ing fragile you can't admit when you're wrong? Because you are.

So coverage sacks don’t count as sacks? Bruce Smith has the all time record for sacks. Should those be reevaluated to see which ones are coverage sacks and which ones weren’t? DE is not the easiest position to come into and make an immediate impact outside of being a generational talent (Von and Myles) or sheer luck (Crosby). It’s clear you don’t like Karlaftis which is why you say those supporting him are wearing rose colored glasses. What color glasses are you wearing as you are being hyper critical of him despite evidence showing he’s not bad and still improving?

I'll never understand the Chiefsfan urge to declare a rookie is 'trash' and then try to will it to be true.

Even picks I wasn't crazy about, I WANT to be wrong. Hell, I wasn't high on Karlaftis pre-draft.

There are some people on this board that really don't deserve this era of Chiefs. They deserve some Bill Kenney or Matt Cassel bullshit.

They still go into the record books the same. There are no asterisks.

Been looking for the Dick Vermeil quote from when Michael Strahan broke the sack record. Can't find the quote anywhere, though.
I remember him downplaying the fact that Strahan broke the record.... said something to the effect of, "Most of those were bags, not sacks."
Referring to many of his sacks as "coverage sacks".
Wish I could find the clip or a writeup with the quote..... point is, Vermeil wasn't as impressed with Strahan's pass rushing ability as he was with the Giants' secondary.

Especially with George it’s annoying. He started fb late, his college career happened during Covid. Including a shortened season. And he just turned 21 in April. Relax. I doubt he’s ever a top 5 guy, but if he gets to Hendrickson level, it’s a home run.

BTW. He leads the league in batted balls. Which isn’t exactly a flukey thing. And those can be as impactful as a sack

At the end of the day though Strahan is in the HOF regardless of how Vermeil felt about him as a pass rusher. Way too many stats in football are a result of events beyond just individual effort, especially QB stats.

Look, pass rushing at the NFL is a little like pitching at the major league level. Yeah, you've got your go-to fastball and a curve, and that works in the minors, but to be a great pitcher, you need a really good third pitch and maybe even a fourth.

So a Karlaftis gets drafted, and he's a big, strong kid who bullied guys in college, and maybe he's got heavy hands and little secondary move but he needed more than that to win in the NFL.

So earlier in the year, he was juuuuuust coming up short, not quite getting there. But there's clear improvement, and we're starting to see some stats to back that up. He's showing some different techniques, and he's getting pressures, batted balls, and now the sacks are starting to come.

So, you know, you can wish he was a speed rusher that just blows by OT's at the snap, but that'll never be his game. Expecting that is dumb, and hating the pick because he wasn't that is even dumber. Lots of great pass rushers that win primarily with power in the NFL. Karlaftis is getting better every week.

If anything, he needs to clean up the missed tackles, there were a few this week. Of course, the whole team checked out mid-way through the second quarter and luckily checked back IN just in time to close it out.

He's going to be a building block.

I'll bet Tribal Warfare goes to a McDonald's and complains to the staff, "I thought you guys were FAST food. The Burger King down the street had my food out to me at least a minute quicker."

Karlaftis literally barely missed two sacks where his get off was a major factor, not power or coverage.

Tribal is going to eat shit over the next month...hell probably Sunday.

He's been fine. He will never be the flashy 15 sack Von Miller type. He's way more Ryan Kerrigan 8 sack ceiling type and that's ok

Why can't he be the Tamba Hali 14.5 sack guy

I bet he gets 8 in the regular season as a rookie. I see no reason he can't be a perennial 10 sack guy moving forward.

There just aren’t many “10 per year write it down” sack guys in the league.

If he’s a 6-8 guy, that’s great