It is a done deal. This stuff isn't leaked until it is 100% guaranteed.

I feel like this has to be the first domino of several more to fall in the coming weeks. The PAC 12 has looked like one jenga block away from collapse for the past year.

The Ivy League can always expand and have a western league to suck at sports.

Malcor,

If you take umbrage with my theories, come out and debate them .

The Ivy League isn't expanding and Cal/Stanford aren't dropping their football to the FCS level.

The Big 8 is back baby - kind of.

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It’s weird that Oklahoma and Texas get to have a vote in this process, considering they will be in a competing conference in 12 months.

Wouldn't they just vote know to throw a wrench into the Big 12?

After all that shit a decade ago, I’m glad the 12 is on the right side of it today.

LMAO

Correct, but what does GT bring? I could see if UGA wasn't already in the SEC as GT could probably bring in the state of Georgia and Atlanta.

It looks to me like UC Berkeley is in for a rough ride. Those stadium renovations did nothing for them financially.

The university had to take on $230m of the Cal athletics debt back in 2018.


They’re kinda ****ed.

The PAC-12 was in huge trouble when USC and UCLA decided to jump ship. They lost their most prestigious FB program and BB program. Hard to absorb those losses when geographically they have no place to expand. At least the Big-12 and Big-10 can expand east and west relatively easily. Who is still out there that would bring any value to the Pac-12? Should be interesting to see if they survive this.

Screw Colorado...if you are the big 10, aren't you going after Oregon and Washington? Highly unlikely get, but your horrible footprint already goes from WV to Utah, so why not? Grab Cal and Stanford too to even out the rummies in Cincinnati and Houston. What an utter cluster**** Texas has caused.

UT & OU was left out of this vote! Their vote is not valid since in 2024 they will be in a competing conference
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They don't. They forfeit their right to vote when they notified the Big 12 that they were leaving to SEC.

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Stanford voting down adding Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State is biting them in the ass and you love to see it.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">7 schools, 3 spots. Who is going to capture the hearts of Big 12 fans? Find out on this season of the Pac 12 is Dead. <a href="https://t.co/LSGufYPcry">pic.twitter.com/LSGufYPcry</a></p>&mdash; Coach Beans (@CoachBeansTTU) <a href="https://twitter.com/CoachBeansTTU/status/1684565127528599557?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 27, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I mean, he's not wrong in a way.

Ball is in Arizona, Oregon, and Washington's court now. What they want to do is going to be up to them, but there's a due date.

Could Arizona join without ASU? What about Oregon and OSU or Washington and WSU? While Oregon and Washington would be good additions, not sure if they are a package deal like many other state schools.

WEST
Colorado
Arizona
Arizona State
Utah
Washington
Oregon
BYU
Baylor
Oklahoma State

EAST
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
Cincinnati
West Virginia
UCF
Texas Tech
TCU
Georgia Tech!

Big 18!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Big 12 will add b/w 1 &amp; 3 schools to join Colorado in 2024, sources told <a href="https://twitter.com/ActionNetworkHQ?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ActionNetworkHQ</a>. League will 1st seek others from Pac-12 to join. If none do so, Big 12 would add 1 Group of 5 (UConn, Memphis, SDSU or UNLV) to reach even number of teams in 2024<a href="https://t.co/j31J8IUMQN">https://t.co/j31J8IUMQN</a></p>&mdash; Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) <a href="https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1684722675761958912?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 28, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Don't think they'd do a package deal with schools that offer little to no value. OSU and WSU are in that lower tier. It may come down to the state legislatures, but I can't answer that.

An example would be that OU went to the SEC but OSU isn't.

The only thing I'd also watch for is the sable rattling that FSU (and maybe a silent few schools) are doing at the ACC.

Wazzu can drink any of the BigXII schools under the table so should get an invite just for that.

Please do not add any of those schools. Keep waiting on the Big Boys. Do not dilute the conference. Hold steady for Pac 12 schools or ACC schools for a couple of years at least.

I agree. I don't like bringing up any G5's at this point.

Only one I may consider is UConn because of the NE footprint and that their basketball programs are elite. Also gives Cincinnati and WV a regional rivalry perhaps?

But Yormark does see that the basketball side is undervalued right now, so it makes sense in that regards.

Uconn would be great

100%

Oregon and Washington are contacting the Bug 12 as we speak

Arizona board of regents are meeting early next week.

Big 10’ is sleeping in expansion

If the B12 picks up these 3 school. They are accross 4 time zones. The control the Pacific time one along with the B10.

Sone are saying if they pick up these 3. The. Football quality they pass the B10 Revenue not as much.

ASU I’m hearing B12 should not go after They’re more concerned about bring a hockey program and over valued as a program

Pac 12 is dead

It’s posturing to tell any wavering P12 AD’s to shit or get off the pot.

Having UCONN as a fallback is the best spot the B12 has been in for years.

Why on earth would you put Lubbock in the East? Switch Tech and Baylor around and these groupings make sense.

You forgot Houston

Get to 16 teams with Washington, Oregon, and Arizona then wait for the ACC to inevitably implode and add teams from there… that’s the ideal scenario for the Big 12.

If Im Yormark Im adding Oregon, Washington and Arizona to solidify the Pacific time zone and then heading east. Pluck those top tier teams away from the ACC and you have a heavy footprint in all 4 time zones. Need to expand in the East.

LMAO

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Statement from the Pac-12 Conference: <a href="https://t.co/up5hjSD1ek">pic.twitter.com/up5hjSD1ek</a></p>&mdash; Pac-12 Conference (@pac12) <a href="https://twitter.com/pac12/status/1684740924537233408?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 28, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Nah. Kick them out

The Big12 has an advantage as well.

Their new TV deal will have a pro rata clause in the event of future expansion, and only for P5 teams.

How did you think Colorado is getting the full share of 31.7M?

Get 2 more from the West and 1 more from the East and the Big 12 has 4 perfect pods.

Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
Oklahoma State

TCU
Baylor
Texas Tech
Houston

Colorado
BYU
West Team
West Team

West Virginia
UCF
Cincy
East Team

9 Game schedule

3 Games from your pod
2 from each other 3 pods
You get to host everyone at least once every 4 years

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I will have to respectfully disagree with you and Mark Davis on Memphis.

They don't bring any value and their facilities are woefully behind.

I believe Yormark would just go get UConn if nobody else bites from the Pac12 to go with Colorado, and just wait until the next round or if the ACC decides to dissolve.

The Liberty Bowl is about to undergo $200 million in renovations and they share the FedEx Forum with the Grizzlies, which is also undergoing $150 million in renovations. Not ideal that they share an arena with a NBA team, but it is what it is.

Memphis football is slightly below average all-time, but not a complete dumpster fire like UConn's has been, and is in a much better place for recruiting. Basketball they're above average historically.

UConn brings stellar basketball teams, but they neglected their football team to the point they re-joined the Big East and their football team is independent as a result. Combine that with where they're located and there isn't a lot of upside financially.

Would basically be a counterpunch to Rutgers in the B1G, but with two dominant basketball teams.

As a fan of a team that will probably be relegated to G5 status. I hope the TV money bubble implodes leading to the absolute economic ruination of the super conferences and their members.

The problem is the Big 12 cannot add a group of five school without cutting the payout. No Big 12 Presidents/Administrators is going to agree to that.

UConn is less than that when it comes to football. They're not even in a conference and have virtually 0 following in football, unlike BYU for instance.

This is laughable… West Virginia leaving for the ACC would be a downgrade for them given the long term uncertainty of the conference.

And the travel logistics for Oregon and Washington to be in the ACC would be challenging… to put it mildly.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">From ESPN article by David Hale: “The ACC has explored possible expansion options, according to multiple league administrators, running models on adding a number of potential targets, including West Virginia, SMU, Oregon and Washington.” <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WVU?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WVU</a> <a href="https://t.co/lFAD6RZJfB">pic.twitter.com/lFAD6RZJfB</a></p>&mdash; The Voice of Morgantown (@voicemorgantown) <a href="https://twitter.com/voicemorgantown/status/1684738306737614848?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 28, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Considering that WVU is 48m in debt and imploding literally everywhere I'm sure the Big 12 wouldn't be all that upset if that happened.

Broke Pac Mountain killed me...

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They definitely would need to be proactive on that one. I can see the Big 10 and SEC pouncing if that were to happen. Best the Big-12 gets the good schools as I am not sure they could compete with the appeal of the Big 10/SEC.

One thing the ACC has vs the Big 12 is image. Most of the Pac12 schools think they are elitist places ans cant fathom being in the Big 12 with hick folk. The reality is most ACC schools are more of a good ole boy network than any other conference. I think the Pac 12 egos though could stomach a coastal conference of west and east coast teams vs going to the Big 12 but the Big 12 has the easier logistics ans probably a little more money.

As it currently stands, I dont think the Big Ten or SEC expands unless Notre Dame is involved. No other school delivers a NET MONETARY GAIN to the rest of the universities in the conference.

I highly doubt the B1G stands with just 2 PAC teams. I have to believe that they are going to give them 2 more West Coast options to limit travel. My guess is Stanford and maybe Washington. I was going to say CAL but their Ath Dept is a ****ing trainwreck with debt. Who knows...

Why don't they kick schools out? There is really no reason for Northwestern, Wake Forest, Vanderbilt to exist in a P5 conference. The rest of the conference members just subsidize them.

If the ACC were to show cracks, the SEC would pounce on FSU and Clemson in a heartbeat. Same with Miami. The Big 10 probably pounces on UNC, Duke and UVA at minimum.

Northwestern and Vanderbilt have an ass ton of money

Agreed. I think the Big 10 is waiting to see what happens with Notre Dame (their football TV contract with NBC expires after next season) and if (when) the ACC implodes.

Miami wants a Big 10 invite. It’s a better fit than the SEC.

They achieved AAU status this summer, the Big 10 has more big city-based schools such as Northwestern, Rutgers, UCLA, USC which is where most of Miami’s alumni live, etc.

Boise State
Fresno State

Marshall?

Ahhh, gotcha. Did not know they are seeking a Big 10 invite.

Deion’s recruiting connections in a conference that includes a geographic presence in Texas and Florida… gonna be very interesting to watch.

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Still, I thought it appears that Fox and ESPN had agreed on pro rata for UCONN which gives the Big 12 that option, as opposed to Memphis who would dilute the pie.

That’s why the Big12 Presidents/Administrators won’t take any G5 team unless they have a lot of value, and not many, if any, have that.

The Big Ten currently pulls in an insane $ amount per school. I think adding anyone other than Notre Dame dilutes that amount of $ going to each University. It is all dollars and cents. If the bottom line doesn't go up the Big Ten and SEC arent expanding for the sake of expansion. Follow the money.

Yale and Harvard have a ton of money too, but nobody wants them

But does Harvard and Yale want any of those conferences?

It is all about football. and money

this is crazy s--- to me.



Remember when the big 10 was about alignment of ideas and research????
just saying

Big/ACC/SEC/ even the SWC would have crushed them in football.


Besides, Yale and Harvard dont want to be around a bunch of rednecks.

The private schools are where the conference hides the bodies. No information act.

Also, kicking schools out of conferences is extremely rare. Last time it happened at the highest level is when the Big East booted Temple football.

No one wants to establish a precedent. If you are Mississippi State, you are the next on the list if they boot Vandy. It is better to tolerate what Vandy brings to the table (elite academics, solid Olympic sports, and easy football win (every conference needs some easy wins) than trying to kick them out.

Agreed.

BEST REALISTIC CASE SCENARIO FOR THE BIG 12??
1. Arizona, Oregon, and Washington to reach 16
2. Arizona to reach 14
3. Arizona, Arizona State & UCONN to reach 16
4. Arizona, Arizona State & Utah to reach 16
5. Arizona State to reach 14
6. UCONN to reach 14.
7. Utah to reach 14.

First of all, none of the ACC schools at least at this point is a realistic option until their GOR runs out or gets closer to running out. I think obviously the Big 12 wants Oregon, Washington and Arizona. I think the most likely team to go to the Big 12 if it is only one team is Arizona. I'm sure Arizona prefers to bring Arizona State but what difference does it make to bring them both from a Big 12 perspective? The same thing for Utah as the conference already has BYU. I think Houston may be an exception because of just how valuable being deeply entrenched in the Texas market is in terms of value. Texas is just kind of a different state/area for football than any other area/state.

You can tell the Big 12 is clearly thinking in terms of TV revenue and geographic exposure as they made sure to get UCF to get the Florida market and Cincinnati to get the rustbelt market and then BYU to get the Utah area market. I think the Big 12 wants UCONN more than people think and wants Utah less than they think.

What say you?

As much as I want Oregon, I'm not convinced the Big 12 would be able to hang onto them.

I don't think they will either, but that may work to the Big 12's advantage. I think one reason why the Pac 12 can't get a good media deal is because Washington and Oregon do not want to commit to a long-term deal as they are hoping ---- praying for a Big 10 invite. But even if you get UDub and Oregon for a 3, 4, 5 years there is still value in that I think. At such a later point the ACC is going to be ready to be poached.

Big 12 and PAC 12 should have just merged together after Texas, Oklahoma, USC, and UCLA left.

The entire South division of the Big 12 almost did that years ago. My understanding is the Longhorn Network ****ed that up. Nebraska's Osborne indicated that as the reason Nebraska left to the B1G. The deal for the South division to move to the Pac 12 was done in principle but Texas just wouldn't give up the LHN. Unfortunately Texas was rewarded for their selfishness and while the LHN failed, they got a more valuable SEC opportunity but for Kansas and K-State probably one of the better case scenarios.

I like just adding Colorado, Arizona, Oregon, and Washington a lot more than merging with the entire conference.

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Guy is apparently the Senior Editor/Publisher of http://WildcatAuthority.com

Well played, Mr. Pablo.

4 works fine for me. Really solidifies a SW presence and you dominate most of that market

Colorado, BYU, Utah, Zona, Zona St. I mean you've got a mix of great history with a few of them. Solid football programs. And just continue to build the best basketball conference as well.

1....Four four-team pods and call it a day. If Oregon or UW get a B10 invite later, so be it. Then you move east in a few years if need be or get whoever else you'd want that's left in the west.

Pass on the pods. Protected rivals is the way to go. Similar to pods, but better.

Just for an example,

Iowa state- KState, Oklahoma state, Kansas
Kansas- Colorado, KState, Iowa state
Colorado- BYU, Arizona, Kansas

I just threw out teams so obviously that might not be the actual ones, but that’s the route I’d prefer. Hit the teams each school would want to play yearly the best you can. #1 and #2 conference record play in the conference championship.


Some schools obviously will have to build new rivalry’s.