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blake5676 03-08-2014 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by nychief (Post 10473273)
Cheap ****ers. I hate the ****ing Glass family.


Dollars to donuts our comp pick is in 50's... because at this point those are the teams willing to give up a pick and the money.

I'm no Glass defender by a long shot, but I seriously don't see how any bad words can be thrown in the front office direction on the Santana saga. We bought him cheap for a year, he gave us great production and we'll net an extra draft pick out of the whole situation. It's actually picture perfect and exactly what we'd have hoped for if having this conversation 12 months ago.

And as far as not forking over the $$ and signing him now? Well, he's "reportedly" going to get a deal for roughly the same as his QO from the Royals. NO ONE....especially Santana and his unemployed former agent, saw this coming. We couldn't have planned on that guy's stupid shenanigans. You have to put an offseason plan together and Ervin made it clear to the Royals he wanted multiple years for high dollars. That's where we move on and start assembling our starting 5, and take the comp pick to the bank. I see no cheap Glass, stupid Dayton here. And trust me, I'm often of the opinion they are incompetent.

WhawhaWhat 03-08-2014 09:36 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Ervin basically wants do-over on qualifying offer, so $14M is magic figure. <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23jays&amp;src=hash">#jays</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23o&amp;src=hash">#o</a>&#39;s. <a href="https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal">@Ken_Rosenthal</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/dSoldevila">@dSoldevila</a> on this</p>&mdash; Jon Heyman (@JonHeymanCBS) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/statuses/442315444175642624">March 8, 2014</a></blockquote>
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nychief 03-08-2014 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by blake5676 (Post 10473302)
I'm no Glass defender by a long shot, but I seriously don't see how any bad words can be thrown in the front office direction on the Santana saga. We bought him cheap for a year, he gave us great production and we'll net an extra draft pick out of the whole situation. It's actually picture perfect and exactly what we'd have hoped for if having this conversation 12 months ago.

And as far as not forking over the $$ and signing him now? Well, he's "reportedly" going to get a deal for roughly the same as his QO from the Royals. NO ONE....especially Santana and his unemployed former agent, saw this coming. We couldn't have planned on that guy's stupid shenanigans. You have to put an offseason plan together and Ervin made it clear to the Royals he wanted multiple years for high dollars. That's where we move on and start assembling our starting 5, and take the comp pick to the bank. I see no cheap Glass, stupid Dayton here. And trust me, I'm often of the opinion they are incompetent.

yay. we get a sandwich pick. hooray. Santana's ppl came back to the royals YESTERDAY saying he'd sign a one year deal... The front office has done nothing wrong other than give us a ONE YEAR WINDOW with Jason ****ING Vargas as our no. 2 starter.... news flash, Vargas sucks. As does Jguts... they are not great starting pitchers, and they are certainly not 2s or 3s on a playoff team. But, wait, what about the young guys? This front office gives me no confidence that they can develop starting pitching, because... THEY NEVER HAVE, EVER. Look up the number of DM picks to start in the big leagues...be my guest.

So, yeah, we have this one year with James Shields... who is going to leave. Then we back to the bottom of the pile.

But thank god we stuck to Glass' budget....

WhawhaWhat 03-08-2014 09:53 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Wade Davis is out of the fifth starter competition. He&#39;s moving to the back end of the bullpen.</p>&mdash; Andy McCullough (@McCulloughStar) <a href="https://twitter.com/McCulloughStar/statuses/442326683127803905">March 8, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>James Shields will start Opening Day and Jason Vargas will start Game 2. Jeremy Guthrie gets the home opener. Game 3 is undecided.</p>&mdash; Andy McCullough (@McCulloughStar) <a href="https://twitter.com/McCulloughStar/statuses/442326878724976640">March 8, 2014</a></blockquote>
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CaliforniaChief 03-08-2014 09:55 AM

On one hand, I'm glad to see that Yost has enough sense to keep Davis in the 'pen. On the other, it makes the Myers trade more frustrating.

alnorth 03-08-2014 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by nychief (Post 10473273)
Cheap ****ers. I hate the ****ing Glass family.


Dollars to donuts our comp pick is in 50's... because at this point those are the teams willing to give up a pick and the money.

Wrong, our comp pick will be a sandwich 1st-round pick regardless of who signs him. Even if the signing team has to give up a mere 3rd-rounder, that doesn't impact what we gain, their pick just disappears, and our comp pick just appears in a different spot.

edit: as of right now, our comp pick appears to be #29, which would be pretty high.

alnorth 03-08-2014 10:19 AM

The #5 starter is between Duffy and Ventura. Loser goes to Omaha.

I assume that if they feel its a tie, then Duffy will get it for service time reasons. They could wait to bring Ventura up until sometime in early May to get that extra year.

tk13 03-08-2014 10:21 AM

I bet we'd have to go 16-17M to get Santana now.

alnorth 03-08-2014 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 10473388)
I bet we'd have to go 16-17M to get Santana now.

Signing him for one year doesn't make any sense at all for us at this point. It might make sense for someone who has already burned their top 2 picks.

At this point, people need to factor in that comp pick. If we presume that it is now a virtual certainty that Santana will not go unsigned past June, then that ~#29 pick is ours, in the bag, in our draft order. If we want to sign him, we are not just out the money, we also surrender a pretty high draft pick, all to have him for one more year?

alnorth 03-08-2014 10:42 AM

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Unless he inexplicably gets forced into the rotation and then explodes into awesomeness, I think this is the last year we'll see Wade Davis in KC. He's already too expensive as a back-end bullpen pitcher, there's no way in hell we should exercise any of his 3 team options. We'll give him his buyout and close the book on "the trade".

edit: Here's our roster, with option info updated to correct a few mistakes.

blake5676 03-08-2014 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by nychief (Post 10473329)
yay. we get a sandwich pick. hooray. Santana's ppl came back to the royals YESTERDAY saying he'd sign a one year deal... The front office has done nothing wrong other than give us a ONE YEAR WINDOW with Jason ****ING Vargas as our no. 2 starter.... news flash, Vargas sucks. As does Jguts... they are not great starting pitchers, and they are certainly not 2s or 3s on a playoff team. But, wait, what about the young guys? This front office gives me no confidence that they can develop starting pitching, because... THEY NEVER HAVE, EVER. Look up the number of DM picks to start in the big leagues...be my guest.

So, yeah, we have this one year with James Shields... who is going to leave. Then we back to the bottom of the pile.

But thank god we stuck to Glass' budget....


Not trying to argue with you over Glass' cheapness and how deep his pockets are. But you're just completely overlooking the fact that this worked exactly as we had hoped. Couldn't have gone better, actually. Dream scenario for a one year player...he pitched well and we're going to get a high pick and more $$$ for the draft because of it.

It seems to me that you think without a doubt that Santana will replicate the season he had last year. In actuality, it's pretty unlikely. Especially when you look at his history. Dropping $15M for one more season and losing the extra pick doesn't make much sense. We have no idea the exact number Santana's people demanded in order for him to come back. And you can't exactly wait until 3 weeks before the season to set your starting 5.

Sure-Oz 03-08-2014 11:20 AM

1 year deal def doesn't help the royals except now our 'year', that pick is valued, obviously why he hasn't signed at this point.

alnorth 03-08-2014 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 10473490)
1 year deal def doesn't help the royals except now our 'year', that pick is valued, obviously why he hasn't signed at this point.

yeah, I think we would have been happy if he accepted the QO, and then someone who we later signed wouldn't be here now in his place. Once he declined the QO, that suddenly introduced a new high draft pick that wasn't there before we offered the QO. That high draft pick is tough for us to give up unless he agreed to a long-term budget-friendly deal. 1 year? No way, forget about it.

edit: here's what we have now.

#17

Comp pick, currently #29 and probably won't move

The 5th competitive balance A pick, it will be somewhere in the high 30's or low 40's. This pick is tradable.

Then our 2nd rounder will be about the 15th 2nd round pick. Overall, we'll have 4 of the top 55 or so, and 3 of the top 40 or so. Thats quite a haul, and similar to what the Rays have been doing.

alnorth 03-08-2014 11:36 AM

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Andy McCullough ‏@McCulloughStar 41m
Like most SP shifted to relief, Davis doesn't exactly sound crazy about it. But he's moving forward. "What are you going to do? Say no?"
Sorry Davis, thats what happens when you suck.

By the way, the new beat writer is a must-follow if you are on twitter. That young guy has turned out to be a worthy successor to old man Dutton.

Sure-Oz 03-08-2014 11:37 AM

Tim Brown ‏@TBrownYahoo 5m

.@dSoldevila reporting Ervin Santana has a one-year, $14m deal with Toronto Blue Jays.

Jon Morosi ‏@jonmorosi 23s

Source close to Ervin Santana talks says Blue Jays do not have an agreement in place with him at this moment. But they are working on it.


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