Why did the Titans make this trade again?

They're many pieces away from contending. Paying Sneed all this money seems like something better teams should be doing.

It's week three you lame ****s.

Let's see if Sneed remains healthy for the DURATION OF HIS CONTRACT. 4 years, 76 million? hell no.

I want a 3peat as much as the next guy, but if this team gets hamstrung into occasional rebuilds, that jeopardizes our chances in the playoffs in a given year.

I’d rather Veach run the team such that we can give Mahomes a chance to make a SB run every season he’s a Chief than rob from those future chances and go all in.

We have Mahomes. Every year is all in if you have a reasonably decent team around him

They also gave Ridley a ton of money..

Pretty sure Levis is worse than they anticipated.

Levis is one of the dumbest QBs I've ever had the misfortune of laying eyes on.

This.

I think the 3-Peat possibility has a lot of people on edge about decision making, thinking we should mortgage some of the future for this one chance. I dont think we should, unless it makes sense and fits a need. We shouldn't make a splurge overextension that's uncharacteristic of Veach just because of the 3-Peat. Stay the course, there will be more Mahomes years after 2024.

Spags and Dave Merritt

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Passer Rating Allowed When Targeted (min. 145 coverage snaps), per <a href="https://twitter.com/NextGenStats?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NextGenStats</a> <br><br>Pat Surtain II (<a href="https://twitter.com/Broncos?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Broncos</a>) ... 48.3<br>Christian Benford (Buf.) ... 49.7<br>Christian Gonzalez (N.E.) ... 55.7<br>Stephon Gilmore (Min.) ... 60.3<br>Jaylen Watson (K.C.) ... 69.4<br>Riley Moss (<a href="https://twitter.com/Broncos?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Broncos</a>) ... 69.6 <a href="https://t.co/9PPoGhz4m5">pic.twitter.com/9PPoGhz4m5</a></p>&mdash; Tyler Gorse (@Tyler_Gorse_) <a href="https://twitter.com/Tyler_Gorse_/status/1844404618488578215?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 10, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I hear ya.

99 times out of 100, my answer has been "give me every bite at the apple while we have Mahomes and thus always have a puncher's chance..."

This is that 1 time.

If a trade were put on the table that guaranteed a SB this year but also guarantees we don't win one for the next, I dunno, 4 years - I'd take it.

The 3-peat is just so monumental for anyone involved in it. Jones, Kelce, Reid, Mahomes - hell, Butker and Veach - those are names that end up etched in history. Heck, Bolton, Creed, Smith, Thuney - these guys would prove instrumental in an unprecedented feat.

I think you push chips in to whatever extent feasible. I'd absolutely make our 1st rounder available for the right deal (though admittedly, i have no idea what that might be). I'd have already offered our 3rd with an understanding that I'd counter with the Titans 3rd to any of these teams with the WRs we've been talking about.

This season's different, IMO.

Sure, there will be other years when KC has a good chance to win another SB, and probably will win another SB. But the odds are that there will never another chance at a threepeat if we miss this one.

Imo, Andy/Veach/Mr. Hunt have to go all-in here. If it screws up the cap next year or even for the next couple years, so be it. Pat's only 29; there will be other SB years. But there probably will never be another chance at a threepeat and NFL immortality for the entire team/franchise.

kinda crazy how gilmore is still so good dude is old

This can't be right. I read on chiefsplanet that our secondary is Trent McDuffie and a bunch of jags.

Riley Moss was a hell of a 3rd round pick by the Broncos

First white corner to have an interception in 22 years.

Seriously?

Very possible.

Last I knew, Jason Seahorn was the last of them.

His last pick was in 2002 so yeah - that's probably legit.

KCs gonna need to do something to keep Merritt after his kid graduates. His value to this team is underrated.

Moss sucks

Sabotage his kid’s grades and make him repeat his senior year?

Iowa.

Honestly think he the reason Cowboys are struggling. They have Bland but he’s not coming back till later.

But last year Bland+Gilmore was deadly

By whom?

Most everyone recognizes that he's been immensely valuable to this squad. 2nd on the defensive staff only to Spags.

Now if you want to say that some think Cullen is more valuable thus underrating Merritt, I guess I'd listen. But then again, there's also a fair bit of merit to that position. We've seen Spags coach up DBs literally his entire career. Meanwhile our DL got better almost as soon as Cullen was hired.

But ultimately that's picking nits - I think almost everyone understands that Merritt has been a key cog to our defensive resurgence.

Still love Sneed, but he's def NOT playing at the level he did last year. Got beat quite a bit today, while Jaylen Watson has been nails.

I am legit starting to wonder what it is we're doing different here with schemes and coaching because Sneed was a beast last year, but we look to be BETTER this year on defense. Wild.

Like others have said, I don't really get why the Titans traded for Sneed when they clearly aren't in position to contend. Maybe they thought Levis was the real deal? Cause if so, boy did that ****ing blow up in their faces LOL.

Anytime a team is throwing away draft picks for trades when they aren't pushing up next to a SB you gotta wonder wtf is going on in the front office unless it's for a difference maker at like QB

The way the Titans are playing, I'm feeling a little better about the 3rd round pick. It's looking like it could fall between 65-70. I root against them every week just in hopes of getting a better draft pick out of Sneed.

Yup. Gonna be a high third for corner play that didn't fall off

Almost as if the chiefs knew that the top 10% of his game was scheme and coaching, so they opted not to over pay and continue developing. WEIRD.

Dude. He’s still a straight up lockdown guy on opponent top WRs.

The titans obviously overvalued Mayo boy.

damn right, they look like they are the team to compete with the panthers for #1 overall

Much better than when they traded Dee Ford to the 49ers and they went to the Superbowl. Got the 2nd worst possible pick in the round and had to see Ford go the Superbowl after costing us the trip to the Superbowl the previous year.

I mean, a future (2025) third is the best offer we got. Clearly, other GMs weren't enamored with paying him, either.

It's hard to play at that same level when your team is going nowhere and you've just been paid a large contract.

That and 20 million to spend elsewhere.

Glad we used it on Jones who actually looks more motivated after getting paid.

The system is a big deal for any player. We watched the Patriots turn coal into diamonds for years. More times then not those players would go else where, get paid, and come back down to earth. (Trey Flowers off the top of my head.)

Sneed is who he was. However he doesn't have Chris Jones and George to rush QB's anymore. He doesn't have Spags to put him in a position to make plays in the backfield. On top of that they don't love him in TEN like they loved him in KC.

Sneed said himself he was mad at the initial trade news, even said he wanted to stay. Now he's over there and he has to be nails only to watch Levis flounder for his efforts. Players are people too and football is an emotional game.

Like Tyreek, he got paid but it's not the same. (Althougg Tyreek did light the world on fire and no longer has a QB. That matters but you get the point.)

I make great bank....not NFL bank but I can retire today if I want. And I just wonder why these guys need deca million dollar paydays.

Hill will get into the hall but I will say this - if I had played in the NFL I would have taken a LOT LESS just to win championship after championship year after year. That highlight where Sneed knocks the ball out of flowers hands at the goalline - he won't get those anymore.

Where Jones, Kelce, Pat, etc will all have these long historical highlights that extend way past their playing years.

That might be Sneed's only big contract in his career, I get trying to maximize earnings, especially when championships are never guaranteed.

He's actually been very good for them. Getting beat a few times happens. But overall he's faced some good wideouts and locked them up. Difference is everyone else in that secondary isn't up to his standard.

Sneed got absolutely roasted yesterday. Gave up a touchdown and a 34 yard pass interference penalty.

The Titans other cornerback Brownlee, a guy I’ve never heard of, was WAY better than Sneed yesterday.

You’re conveniently ignoring the fact that we beat Ford and the 9ers in that Super Bowl, ending a 50-year drought.

That makes the high pick more palatable.

I'm not ignoring that at all. I'm just saying that I would have rather seen Ford on a bad team, missing the playoffs altogether, and the Chiefs getting a higher draft pick than to see him go to the Superbowl and lower the value of our pick. Having him on the losing team helped. But I still would have rather seen him sitting on the couch and the Chiefs with a higher pick. I can't really complain about the Willie Gay pick though.

Well, most NFL players aren't Jones, Kelce, or Pat.

Meaning most NFL players won't be able to build and live off that kind of legacy. All they know is this is the one chance they have to set up their family with generational wealth. Thats the more attainable and realistic goal.

Theres also the ones with the ego that demand they be paid what they believe theyre worth. Their contract tells the rest of the world how good they are, etc etc.

I’m not sure he had a choice, based on his post trade interview.

He CLEARLY wanted to stay in KC.

Holy Crap, are we really bitching about the Ford trade, because that was a horrible deal for the 49ers. Dude played a total of 18 games them over three years before he was out of the league.. Which cost them 40M

LOL

I bet he did. He could have taken significantly less to stay and Bert would have gone with that. It might not have been the best choice for him, but I imagine he could have done it.

Lowest @PFF grades of the season for #Titans CB L'Jarius Sneed:
--35.1 overall grade, 30.4 coverage grade.
--Allowed 4 catches on 9 targets for 42 yds and a TD. Flacco had a 95.6 QB rating when targeting him. Flagged for a 33-yard PI penalty.

Saying that I would have rather not seeing him in the Superbowl and us get a lesser pick wasn't exactly a bitch about who won the deal. Just saying I like how good the Titans pick is looking in comparison. And that I didn't like seeing him making the Superbowl after costing us a Superbowl the year before. It absolutely did turn out to be a terrible deal for the 49ers. I'm glad, looking back, that the Chiefs got what they got for him. They definitely won the deal

It's tougher for us to say than for a player to do, though. Most guys will be unemployed before they hit age 35 and have to live off of their earnings for the rest of their lives. Meanwhile, they've got people coming out of the woodwork to ask them to help them out financially. Everyone they know is telling them to get as much as they possibly can, while they can - especially agents who are financially tied to whatever deal they get. And even on top of that, the top players are told that they need to get as much as they can to set the market for other players at their position. It just goes on and on.

It's absolutely possible for someone to take a team-friendly deal, but if someone told me I could take $10m this year from the Chiefs or go play for the Raiders for $15m, it sure would be hard for me to say that extra $5m isn't worth it.

Yup.

This is the one point on their lives where they will have the most amount of leverage to sell their services for unimaginable amounts of money. To take a team friendly deal is to walk away from millions of dollars that could be used to further set up their family. Its not easy to sell yourself shorter than you could have.

Clark Hunt did an interview during the Chris Jones extension time period where his wording was specific as “we will decide if we will offer Jones a contract or not”…which changed how I look at these scenarios when players leave.

A) it showed me that Clark plays a role in those scenarios, not just a check writer.

B) sometimes the team doesn’t offer a player a contract at all.

Sneed seemed hurt that he wasn’t allowed to stay in KC and with his knee issues, it made me think he was a player they decided to trade versus offering a contract at all. They knew what they had with Trent, Watson, Williams and Connor and decided the team would be better off with using the cap room on CJ95 and getting a pick for him.

He has been good yes. But there's been some just missed throws where he got beat that would have made his current ratings much worse.

Always pulling for him as he was such a dog here, but I don't see the defense having fallen off at all since he's been gone

they seem to be hating on our old boy Sneed on twatter

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That's what I'm saying; it would've likely been possible for him to stay, but probably not financially responsible. It was, however, likely his decision to make, so I'm not sure why he'd be upset with it.

Kinda one of those deals where I ask myself "Who was the last player they were wrong about and let walk that they probably regret".

Charvarious Ward maybe? He's went on to be really good.

Other than that.....

Feel bad for Sneed that he ended up with a shitty team. But at least he’s getting the big money. I hope he gets every dollar of that $76M contract.

I think that letting Khalen Saunders walk was a mistake. He's been pretty good for the Saints.

He has been good but it's fine because Wharton and Pennel have been really good

Correct. Same with the Ward example above. People tend to think that if a player that leaves the Chiefs plays well elsewhere that it was a mistake or the Chiefs regret the move. The Chiefs will be letting go of good players every off season during the Mahomes Era. It’s the reality of doing business in the NFL. As long as the replacements the Chiefs bring in do something in between acceptable and obviously great, it’s no problem

Letting Ward walk was the right choice.

Not exactly comparing eggs with eggs but Andrew Wylie vs Jawaan Taylor. Wylie earns in 3 years what Taylor earns 1. That money could have been spent on a WR.

Absolutely

Just saying, in general, they know when and who to let walk as none have really come back to bite them.

Wiley is a good one, in terms of cost,

Yeah the trick is to over pay a center who doesn't even matter in your scheme so that you can have shitty tackles that crater the offense.

Good lord man. Jut stop typing sometimes.

It was worth the gamble. Protecting mahomes is essential.

Honestly with the way the league is set and how thise positions are paid. I would draft a wr, top 3 rounds every year and a tackle top 4 every year until you see if you find a great one.

And unless you think the wr is hof talent wanting to give a discount. Trade him the last year.

Tight ends, price wise are worth paying.

While I think this post is complete hyperbole and BWillie being BWillie, the Chiefs have invested alot in their OL compared to many other teams.

They are basically rocking with one of the highest paid G's highest paid C and highly paid RT.

They'd probably be rocking with a top 3 round pick at G if Smith hadn't fallen into their lap and they haven't been in position to spend on LT or draft one super high, they had 1 shot with Trent Williams and they tried to do that.

They honestly do behave like a team that has PTSD from that Tampa SB when it comes to the OL. So when you factor those things in it gets frustrating when you see Mahomes get happy feet or not trust his line consistently.

On top of that if you actually do watch other games there are a pretty significant number of QB's that see more pressure than Mahomes does on a consistent basis that don' behave like that.

Mahomes is a great player, maybe the best ever but that is one of his quirks, he sees phantom pressure, he lets it get in his head for long periods of time.

Imagine bitching this much in the middle of one of the greatest dynasty runs ever.

Outside of the dumb penalties, Taylor has played very solid. I've hardly seen any pressure come from the right side of the O Line.

He'll be marked for life by the talking heads, especially if he commits a bonehead penalty. The chiefs obviously feel that OL is a just pay the man position

Yes, the phantom pressure thing drives me a little nuts. Like dude, stay in there.

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If we don't roast Riley Moss, this offense can piss off

Cam Taylor Britt LMAO LMAO LMAO

Damn

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">L’Jarius Sneed has been awful for the Titans <br><br>He was consistently getting burnt and abandoning his coverage responsibilities against the Colts<br><br>It’s been like this all season long <a href="https://t.co/FDmuE6RbX3">pic.twitter.com/FDmuE6RbX3</a></p>&mdash; Joel Moran (@joelvmoran) <a href="https://twitter.com/joelvmoran/status/1846652584456503362?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 16, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I'm not an expert in breaking down film, but some of those looked like pretty solid coverage to me. Coverage that requires a perfect throw to beat isn't bad coverage just because it COULD have been completed.

Regardless, I'm glad he got the bag and we didn't have to pay him for it. I do hope he does well, though.

Trent McDuffie is a star. Duh.

Jaylen Watson continues to be a highly underrated draft pick of Veach.

This is like a much better version of grabbing Flowers and Carr in the same draft.

that's a pretty good comparison. That 2022 draft is an all-timer!

Crazy that we got Pacheco, Watson and Nazeh all in that 2022 7th round.

That has to be the best 7th round by a team in nfl history, right?

Shannon Sharpe was a 7th round pick, but it was 192.

That’s more like an early 6th round pick nowadays.

That knee looks cooked!