J. Wilson this year's AT Perry? or does he have a shot to make an impact?

He loved Skyy Moore. He's what talked me into it. I'm not listening to Smith anymore.

Damn, maybe we're a little bullish on some of our WRs.

NFL.com's latest 3-round mock has Franklin going #62 and Legette #80.

They have us trading up for Coleman ahead of the Bills, love that part lol.

https://www.nfl.com/news/three-round...son-in-round-3

I think there's a chance Franklin is not quite as strong against press and he can be bullied a little. He also, I believe, doesn't have a great catch rate maybe?

But honestly, if he slips to us at 32 I'd run it in. He's quick, has great releases, great length, and I could absolutely see that frame putting on another 5-10lbs without losing much. To get that upside end of the 1st would be incredible I think.

As Chiefs fans it might be our duty to flood the internet and radio airways with negative comments about Franklin's drop rate so he falls to us at #32.

Coleman is already a YES for me.

Big, strong dude who can be a #1 WR in the NFL.

No interest in spending a 1st round pick on a vertical weapon or a tiny little player that can't be fed or focal.

Reuter's attempt here seems so far off of consensus that it's bordering on wtf status for me. I'm totally for cutting against the grain a bit, I do the same. But having guys like McKinstry and Franklin in the late 2nd and Suamataia and Nubin in the 3rd screams a bit too loudly at me.

Here's a question for the group...

If Thomas Jr is available at #32 are we taking him?

In the PFF simulator I've been trying to pair our 32, 64, and another pick to get both Worthy in the early 2nd and Legette in the mid 2nd. Those two with Rice and Kelce could be crazy, but we'd have 3 WRs coming off their rookie deals at the same time.

Edit - Keep forgetting we got Rice in the 2nd, not the 1st. So we don't have a 5th yr option. He just played like a 1st round pick.

Lots of options when your only real need is a WR and the upcoming draft is historically loaded with them! Going to be a really exciting offseason!

I want a WR who has comfortably passed 1k receiving yards in their last season. I'll be fuming if we go and draft this Ladd McConkey kid that the mock draft wetwipes are gushing over.

Spent a few hours watching these guys last night. Seems like a helluva draft class. Probably another year where we take a 2nd round guy.

Here's your list of WRs in this draft to ever go over 1k in their careers:

Rome Odunze, Washington (2023, 2022)
Malik Nabers, LSU (2023, 2022)
Malik Washington, Virginia (2023)
Troy Franklin, Oregon (2023)
Xavier Legette, South Carolina (2023)
Marvin Harrison Jr, Ohio State (2023, 2022)
Brian Thomas Jr, LSU (2023)
Ja'Lynn Polk, Washington (2023)
Javon Baker, Central Florida (2023)
Isaiah Williams, Illinois (2023)
Xavier Worthy, Texas (2023)
Malachi Corley, Western Kentucky (2022)
Jamari Thrash, Louisville (2022 @ GA St)
Jalen McMillan, Washington (2022)
Jacob Cowing, Arizona (2022 @ Arizona, 2021 @ UTEP)
Zakhari Franklin (2021 @ UTSA)

Agreed. I wouldn’t be surprised if we waited until the third round to pick a WR because of how deep this class is. I would be surprised at all if we draft fatties for our first two picks. I’d bet DT with our first and OL with our 2nd.

This is our wr room by regular season receiving yards.

Rice
Watson
MVS
Skyy Moore
Kad Toney
Mecole Hardman free agent
Richie James free agent
Justyn Ross

Whether we like it or not, I expect MVS, skyy and Toney to be back. I also expect Ross to be back. Will we resign Hardman? I don’t know. If he’s cheap, we might. Richie James is gone. We also need a punt returner. The depth at WR in this draft might allow us to take a WR later and Our oline and dline are more of a need.

Whos rankings are these?

That's DraftBuzz.com's rankings.

Thought I saw yesterday that Mel Kiper didn't include Franklin in his Top 10 WRs.

Burton has been pretty universally rated in the late 90s to around 115.

Javon Baker is the only other one I've seen fluctuate quite a bit.

One guy I think you guys should put some time into is Jacob Cowing. We all know how Reid likes his minis. Kid is a player.

Explain to me again guys, why am I not supposed to like Corley?

He doesn't run routes and doesn't have blazing speed. There are quality of competition concerns and he's undersized. At best, he's a Skyy Moore level prospect.

You can like him in the 4th round. Don't like him before that.

I watch Corley's tape and I see a lot of poor tackling (bad competition). "YAC King" is a cool moniker though.

Dropping this here. This is the group that charts WRs & QBs and puts out the route tree graphics each year.

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Corley’s work at the senior bowl was impressive. His cuts were sharp and his short area quickness jumped out.

Level of competition notwithstanding, it’s hard to ignore his elite contact balance and aggressive running style.

As crow mentioned earlier, Cowing is one to watch. He’s super quick and can uncover as fast as anyone in the draft class.

It would be absolutely moronic to keep a spot on the roster for Skyy Moore who is worse than guys like Chris Conley who were available on other team's practice squads or to pay MVS another year with a 14 MILLION DOLLAR CAP HIT.

Don't even get me started on Toney who the Chiefs coaches did not want to even play when they had 1 decent NFL WR on the roster in Rice.

Re: Franklin, poking around earlier today I saw that he had a 63% contested catch rate in 2022, so I don't know that it's a huge, huge issue like recent discussion.

But in an Andy Reid offense, does it really matter THAT much.

Yeah, his board seems to need quite a bit of work.

I agree. Toney and MVS are gone. Patrick was so ****ing frustrated with both of this year that I think the ship has already sailed for both. I think Moore will have to fight for a roster spot, and could easily lose out, because there are already 3 slot guys in camp next year in Shi Smith, Anthony Miller, and Nikko Remigio and there will no doubt be a few more.

I don't care if they bring Skyy to one more training camp but he should be not be guaranteed a spot just because he was drafted high.

REMIGIO!!! Forgot about that roster stash from last year. He was fun to watch.

Zero percent chance MVS is back at his cap number.

Pretty close to zero percent chance Toney's back after being a healthy scratch in the playoffs and Super Bowl.

Zero percent chance Moore doesn't enter camp. That doesn't mean he necessarily makes the team, but they won't just cut him out of spite.

Tell us what you like about him first? He’s not a pure speed deep threat. He’s not huge target. He’s built like a rb. Looks a little like skyy moore physically. And he played at a small school with limited competition. Average depth of route run looks pretty short. I don’t know anything about him other than just reading the limited info on him and haven’t watched any tape but those are question marks with just looking at the numbers. I like that’s he’s been clocked at 23 mph on the gps. And I like the bench press. It just shows he’s a worker to me.

Elite athletic skills -- Made Bruce Feldman's 'Freaks List' at number 81. He wrote: "Corley, who arrived at WKU in the summer of COVID-19 at 193 pounds, is up to 220 on his 5-11 frame, looking more like a running back than your typical receiver. He’s hit 23 MPH on the GPS and clocked a 4.43 40-yard dash. His 4.08 shuttle time and 355-pound bench also are excellent."

I could see MVS being gone bc of his contract but look at Andy’s history. The rest of these guys probably stay because they are young and cheap. I’m not saying I agree at all. I’m just trying to predict what happens.

Javon got some run on Mel Kipers pod cast a few days ago and seems to be climbing in some spots now.

I just went and watched a few highlights before my meeting this morning. The catch radius is better than I remember, and his qb put him in contested catch situations more than he should, and he was surprisingly good at bringing them in. But thats just a quick highlight reel.

Is that based on talent or on character concerns, though?

Burton is apparently a shit-disturbing troll who likes to taunt opponents after the game.

He clocked a female Tennessee fan who ran on the field after they beat the Tide last year, and he taunted the Georgia student section after Alabama beat them in the SEC championship game, among other things.

Looks like he's maybe an immature hothead who likes to let opponents know when he cooks them. Maybe even the type of guy who would make a certain hand motion if a ref blew a call, or that would keep antagonizing Kyle Van Noy until he popped and got a personal foul.

I really like the idea of taking a Round 3 or 4 stab on Burton as a double-up at WR if he's there. I think it's an opportunity to take a calculated risk to get a player who far outplays his draft slot.

He's quick, he runs good routes, he tracks the ball well down the field, he can make contested catches, and he's got good deep speed. I see a lot of Stafon Diggs in him.

Not in the first round. No way.

But in the 2nd? Sure.

I meant, why do you like him. Tell me what you like first. Not that he’s a first round prospect. He’s probably a third or 4th round prospect because of his height, speed and depth of route? I don’t like short guys unless they are low 4.3 guys. Not many short guys are very good, pretty rare.

How fast is Burton? Ive seen sites say he’s a 4.43 guy and one that said 4.31. That’s a huge difference. But I agree 100% with your analysis, especially in the 4th. That’s a no brainer, talent wise. He’s got a better resume than sky more when we drafted him in the 2nd? The combine is gonna be interesting this year because these guys can run and some of them are huge.

I like his physicality. I don't think you have to be a burner to play in the league at a high level.

He seems very Deebo Samuel light to me.

I'm interested to see what he runs, for sure. I'd guess he's more a low 4.4 guy.

I think, to a large degree, its character related. He's probably a 2nd round talent but no way a team is taking him that early. In a class this deep, there aren't many reasons for teams to take an early shot on what could be a head case. I think he goes in the 4th myself. Some think the 5th some think the 3rd but usually character on a day 2 talent slides them to early day 3.

Sucks to hear that, his WR game is fairly mature.

Honestly, it should have been better. He has a skill set that should have made him an easy 75/1200 guy at Alabama and he simply wasn't. He was a deep-shot guy by and large. I don't dislike him really, I'm just saying how I see it. I'd have taken a shot in the late 2nd if it weren't for the rest. Maybe I still would if I were comfortable with the rest (I don't get to interview him so there's that). Just gotta see where his head is at and how coachable he is, but punking on the opposing DB time and again doesn't sit especially well with me either and it's not like he was the best player on the field most of the time.

0 drops, he's got that going for him.

On the Burton question has anyone heard many interviews with some of these prospects. I've been thinking about the probable Moore bust and the definite Rice hit and what the difference is between them. On the physical side I thought Moore's 10 and 20 splits indicated a guy who could get open early and often (which he did), he had similar times to Rice but with more top end speed. But looking at their RAS scores I really should have taken more notice of the agility and explosiveness traits. Maybe the size too.

On the mental side Rice just seems...smarter. I mean I'd still probably take an elite traits/dummy over a poor traits/genius but with this many guys PROBABLY showing high physical attributes? I kinda want to eliminate the morons (happy with the psychos like Burton).

"Skyy Moore led the NCAA in broken tackles..."

Fellas, we've DONE this before. Let's not go through it again.

The game just seems to big for skyy moore. Small school guys scare me a little.

What do y’all think about Johnny Wilson? He has big hands but drops were a problem? He’s an intriguing prospect to me with his size, speed and especially his movement. He’s pretty smooth for a guy that big. And long arms…. 35”. What a target. Hard to miss that guy. But if he can’t catch?

That’s my take, too.

I’d be all over him in round 4/5. Maybe Kelce gives me false confidence on the Chiefs ability to mature him, but I love the idea of doubling up at WR in this draft and think he’d be a sexy second guy.

Even with Caleb Williams, Alabama spread the ball around. He was still the top dog as a receiver, though. And Milroe this year was kind of a deep shot only QB. I don’t know that he was maximized in that offense.

Don't care about big receivers.

"Moves well for a big guy" means he's actually pretty mediocre for a normal sized WR. And I just don't think the trade-off is worthwhile.

He wouldn't even be on my board for the Chiefs. Some teams may have a use for him but I don't. We don't have Matt Cassel under center - 'hard to miss' doesn't move the needle for me when I have a guy that can put a ball in 5 gallon bucket from 30 yards out.

Give me separation and quickness in/out of his cuts. Wilson does neither of those things. He's a guy I have essentially zero interest in at all. If I thought he could learn to block more consistently I might have him as an intriguing TE convert on the 3rd day, but that's about it.

I like Tahj Washington's tape ouf of USC as a later-round receiver. PFF has him as the 149th overall prospect. He's small, but electric.

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I like Luke McCaffrey and De'Corian Clark quite a bit as late round possibilities.

Totally where I'm at. Middle of Day 3 as a TE conversion and that's about it. He isn't a WR in the league IMO. What was that guy's name for Carolina that was built just like him and mostly sucked ass but he was their only guy to force-feed for a year or two and put up okayish numbers then flamed hard out of the league?

Love McCaffrey.

If we go with somebody like Worthy or Franklin early, I love double dipping with McCaffrey.

Kelvin Benjamin. Before him, Mikhael Ricks.

We've seen this movie before. These 'move well for a big guy' players don't do anything at the next level.

"Moves like a small guy AND he's big" are unicorns and they go in the top 10. But if you're looking at a bigger receiver on the 2nd day or even the back of the 1st round, they're probably just not very good.

Here's the way I look at it - the difference between a talent and a prodigy.

A talent is a kid who's doing things better than all the other kids. A 10 year old that plays piano better than all the other 10 year olds is a heck of a talent. Probably someone that can get a scholarship or something and be a heck of a piano playing accountant someday.

A prodigy is a 10 year old that plays piano better than all the other ADULTS.

I need my big WRs to be prodigies. I need them to be big guys that move as well/better than the small guys. If they can't, they're just piano playing accountants.

I thought he was talking about Laviska Shenault at first but he's just injury prone and he isn't a WR/TE tweener he's a WR/RB tweener, he's basically Cordarrelle Patterson Jr.

Or Treylon Burks Sr.

Everyone likes to throw around "Next Deebo" without acknowledging that most of those guys don't amount to much of anything. You'll get 5 Burks for every 1 Deebo.

Kelvin Benjamin was slow. Hard to compare him. Johnny Wilson is a legit deep threat. He’s fast and can actually run routes. Johnnys listed at a 4.42 40. Here’s some info on Johnny. He’s a freak. He’s actually probably closer to Darren Waller. But I was unsure about his hands.

Elite athletic skills -- Johnny Wilson Made Bruce Feldman's 2023 'Freaks List' at number 28. He wrote: "At almost 6 feet 7, 239 pounds, he has 36-inch arms, 10 1/4 inch hands and a standing reach of 8-10. He also has a 35.5 inch vertical and a 10-5 broad jump. In games, he’s topped out at 21.23 MPH with a max acceleration of 5.26 m/s and has a max deceleration of -7.21 m/s."

Those numbers are ridiculous. He is not kelvin benjamin. Benjamin timed at a 4.6 and 17mph. Waller was a 4.46 at 22 mph. And 37” vertical. Waller is a better comp, almost the same height and weight also. Waller was drafted in the 6th round…

Funny, unexpected thing about Burton I saw while looking into him...he was apparently child prodigy at golf. So if we pick him he could team up with Patrick in celebrity golf tournaments and win a bunch of money.

The WRs I like best at this point who we have a legit chance at without trading up - so not Nabers, MHJ, Odunze, and probably Thomas - are Worthy and Legette. I'd be disappointed to see either of those guys get picked by a rival. Still a lot of time to evaluate and the combine will likely change my opinions on some of these guys, but I think Worthy will go somewhere from 33-40 and Legette will go 40-50. Still trying to warm up to Franklin and Coleman, maybe I'll see something at the combine that makes me like them more than I do now. But right now I'm on Worthy and Legette.

There are also some really intriguing guys who are likely to drop to rounds 3-5. Depending on how F/A shakes out, I wouldn't be surprised to see Veach grab two WRs in this draft.

I heard thoughts like this when people were pushing Ruggs over Justin Jefferson.

Worthy and Legette, especially if they go in the 1st, are both guys who would fall in the Quentin Johnston bucket for me.

I was elated when the Chargers took that guy. "Good - burn draft capital on a dude who's not gonna get open, fight for the football or manage to catch it when it gets to him..."

Those are both guys who I'd be fine taking if they slide to us, but I'm not gonna overdraft either because of FOMO.

It's the drops. I broadly agree with DJ's take but with Wilson it's the drops. He honestly probably moves better than Coleman, but he just...can't catch. If you're that big and can't reel them in you might as well be 8 feet with 4.2 40 for all it matters.

On the other hand his absolute s***ness helps them get Nabers this year. Nothing is going to piss me off more seeing them get him or Browers because they just decided to give up halfway through the season. Should be some sort of draft forfeit for how badly they checked out.

Ladd McConkey is Dane Brugler's WR 6 at 34 overall. Questionable fit for the Chiefs as we don't typically see these traditional slot guys, but he gets open and has some ability after the catch to make guys miss.

5' 11" 187 lbs.

"A tough player to cover one-on-one, McConkey tempos his long speed to get on the toes of cornerbacks, then snaps the break point with his short-area quickness. Although his lack of length hurts his catch radius, he plays with competitive ball skills and doesn’t force the quarterback to be perfect with placement.

Because of injuries, McConkey played in only nine games (one start) in 2023, but he made a noticeable impact when he was on the field."

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Not interested in using a high draft pick on a small slot WR.

Overblown on Burton. We all make mistakes. But you have to look at the whole picture rather than what the SEC drama queens want to portray. On the Tennessee fan, what you don't see is her putting her phone in his face and taunting him as he was leaving the field. Ask yourself this, if she was completely innocent in her actions, why did she delete the video of her taunting him as he left the field on her social media account? Burton faced no discipline that I remember. He has stated publicly that he made a mistake.

It's probably not good policy for a fan to storm the field and go up to any player on the losing team and taunt them as they leave the field.

He's talk shit. So what. Not uncommon for football players. He just needs to learn to not turn his head in the direction of the player he is talking shit to.
Talking shit to fans? Who cares. I've seen Chiefs players talk shit to many opposing fans.

I'm doubtful that Burton makes it to the end of round 3 if he tests as he should. IMO he will be looked at as a traits over production kind of guy. Because of that, I can easily see him moving up the board into the middle to late 2nd in a similar manner the way Jonathan Mingo moved up last year with his traits over production. His deep speed is elite. His hands are big. Tracks the ball just as well as any WR this year. 56% contested catch rate. 0 drops. He checks a lot of the boxes that we will be missing in the room next year.

Zay Flowers is 5' 9" 183 lbs

Yes.


So?

No thank you, send him to the Pats.

I agree.

I like the fire.

Yeah, I agree the character concerns seem like an exaggerated non-issue.

But hey, if they make him slip to a range where KC can add him at a nice value, I’m cool with them.

Didn't K. Toney have an incident in college where he showed up to a baseball diamond with an AR to scare off some dudes? Also, I recall T. Hill's having actual character concerns. Those two had some serious red flags, getting chippy with the other team is just being competitive.

He's white. He's got very average stats. He's got a really shitty name. I wouldn't take him in the 4th round.

I'm not big on him either but I will say that they said the same shit about Puka Nacua. Running great routes with good hands can be a strong recipe for success in the NFL.

I'm alot higher on Pearsall as a similar type though, I just think there is more speed and better size there.

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Pearsall is one of my favorite prospects.

I would be ecstatic with him in the 2nd.

Johnny Wilson is intriguing prospect to me with that size, speed and movement ability. Where would you take him if at all?

My Current WIP for the WR Rankings... I'm sure I cut the grain a bit...

Round 1
01. Marvin Harrison Jr., Ohio State
02. Rome Odunze, Washington
03. Malik Nabers, LSU
04. Troy Franklin, Oregon
05. Keon Coleman, Florida State
06. Brian Thomas Jr., LSU

Round 2
07. Xavier Worthy, Texas
08. Jacob Cowing, Arizona
09. Ladd McConkey, Georgia
10. Adonai Mitchell, Texas
11. Jalen McMillan, Washington
12. JaLynn Polk, Washington

Round 3
13. Malachi Corley, Western Kentucky
14. Ricky Pearsall, Florida
15. Xavier Legette, South Carolina
16. Brenden Rice, USC
17. Roman Wilson, Michigan

Round 4
18. Isaiah Williams, Illinois
19. Jermaine Burton, Alabama
20. Devontez Walker, North Carolina
21. Ainias Smith, Texas A&M
22. Jamari Thrash, Louisville

Round 5
23. Javon Baker, UCF
23. Luke McCaffrey, Rice
24. Malik Washington, Virginia
25. Tahj Washington, USC

Round 6
27. Jordan Whittington, Texas
28. Jashaun Jones, Maryland
29. Hayden Hatten, Idaho
30. Xavier Weaver, Colorado
31. Cornelius Johnson, Michigan
32. Johnny Wilson, Florida State

Round 7
33. Marcus Rosemy-Jacksaint, Georgia
34. Bub Means, Pittsburgh
35. Devaughn Vele, Utah

I think this is the point. Is Burton smart enough to control himself and stay out of trouble or is judgment impaired with money and the attention of being a chief? Toney is obviously not very smart or maybe better stated, he’s lacking emotional intelligence. He had an opportunity to be a contributor on another Super Bowl winning team and blew it. I’d love Burton if he’s emotionally intelligent enough to handle the chiefs spotlight, money and fame. He’s got speed and his ability with tracking and adjusting in the air for the deep ball is really an element that we desperately need in this offense. I don’t know maybe I’m old school but I just think a guy with a neck tattoo has bad judgment or something is wrong with him. And Xavier worthy has a huge one all over his neck. And I love worthy’s speed and route running. His skill set is unreal but I’d rather roll the dice with Burton as a deep threat in the 2nd than worthy. Worthy’s low floor scares me.and I used to love worthy as a prospect.