From the beginning, Moore has reminded me of WR Travis Kelce. Maybe that take is wrong, but they seem to achieve things very similarly.

Completely different situation IMO.

This is more like if we passed on DK for McLaurin.

I don't think we'd hear as much bitching about passing on DK if we did that.

This is a good post.

Dude, this is exactly what I was trying to say yesterday. Stop trying to PTSD pigeon-hole this into another Hardman vs DK situation. The world isn’t that black or white. Just focus on the Skyy experience and enjoy it if he’s doing what we’ve hoped and expected.

You know what's funny?

It wouldn't be completely shocking to see Hardman out produce DK this year lol.

Mostly becuase of the difference in QB play, but it would still be funny.

I gotta admit, I'd be completely shocked if that happened. Not that it's impossible but I would be shocked.

And what I was trying to say is that I am overly critical of Skyy because of the DK/Hardman situation and he's succeeding despite my overly critical-ness. I'm not pigeon-holing this situation I understand it is different.

If it wasn't though it would be a nightmare.

Just going to throw this out there:

Team A Player: 75 receptions, 967 yards, with ONE teammate ahead of him with 73 receptions and 1175 yards.

Team B Player: 59 receptions, 693 yards, with TWO teammates ahead of him with 111 receptions, 1239 yards and 92 receptions, 1125 yards respectively.

Team A player is probably better, but by how much?

We're never talking about Hardman if Tyreek didn't get mixed up in that shit.

This isn't Hardman/DK pt 2 on that reason alone. Moore was a pure luxury choice.

If people would stop ****ing crying about DK and Pickens, that would be grand. We get it, you would have drafted these guys. You evaluate talent watching YouTube better than the Chiefs do with all of their vast resources. You were right, they were wrong.


























Now let it go...

There's a lot of hype for Pickens and was the guy most people here wanted. But we are seeing too much good shit from Mr Moore to give a shit about it.

Or imagine if some use the Hardman/DK situation and this time Moore is the DK and Pickens is the Hardman.

Didn't mean to downvote!

We’ve got Mahomes. I actually kinda prefer a team of choir boys provided they can still ball.

I didn’t know much about Pickens’ shitty ****ing attitude until the draft process rolled around. And yeah, the dude might ball the **** out in this league for many years to come, and that’s cool and all, but if Skyy is the kind of player I think he can be, I’d rather have him and his positive strong leadership.

I want him to be buds with Mahomes like Kelce. I want another QB/receiver bromance. Not a, “Look Pat, you just have to tune him out and get him the ball and nobody gets hurt” kind of deal.

Apparently it was juuuust starting to get that way with Tyreek. And I’ll bet Pickens will shit on his QBs too one day

The story on Pickens isn’t the physical talent. Never was. The hesitancy with teams drafting him is injury and attitude. Either of those aspects of him could create large gaps in production where Skyy Moore is as clean as they come in those aspects.

So even while Skyy might not have the true upside Pickens has (and I don’t think he does) it was adding an explosive playmaker that firsts the scheme and won’t make you regret the pick.

Whoever mentioned that we haven’t drafted a player with attitude issues since peters hit it on the head.

That would be me!

There's one lens where it's similar.

Moore over Pickens was taking a scheme fit over the raw talent and I think Hardman over Metcalf was the same thing.

Now the perceived need for Hardman turned out to be incorrect as Hill was cleared. But it was fairly apparent that the Chiefs were looking for a Hill replacement and focused on his fit in a particular role over pure talent.

I think that's what happened here as well. I think they were looking to find someone to man the slot effectively and Pickens is more of a true boundary player.

Correct me if I'm wrong but is Moore even playing in the slot?

I think he's playing that Y receiver role where they have him motioning around. Sometimes he'll go out wide, but with the motions, etc... it's designed to keep presses off him and get him space underneath.

The Chiefs don't always utilize a conventional 'slot' receiver as much as they use that Y guy to move around (with Kelce doing the same thing) and create decision points or free up releases.

I'd have preferred to go for the guy that can play more outside as those are harder to find, but I can't say much if it was off field stuff that shied them away from Pickens.

If Andy and Co. don't wanna deal with a guy, well, that's a big red flag on the guy for me.

They have their outside WR. That’s Juju. They also have Kelce and MVS to play outside.

What they didn’t have is 2 things:

1. A guy who can do some gadget things Tyreek can long term (don’t think Hardman is here in 2023) and Skyy is lining up in the backfield.

2. A pure route runner. Look at Byron Pringle and Mecole Hardman. They are athletic but can’t sell routes well enough and it hurt us badly.

Skyy’s athleticism and route running is gonna help this team a ton.

Not just about 2022 though. Long term, always look for the guy who can play outside if you can. Those are hard to find.

Slot guys seem to be easier especially since we have Andy.

Now I'm not sure Skyy is a slot only guy, so it doesn't matter to me.

SNR's "Patrick's Buddy" stance isn't a bad one, really.

But at some point, talent needs to win out.

That said, Kelce's not getting younger and Hill is gone. I don't have a problem finding the next bromance among his skill position guys before you start shifting your baseline a little as to personalities.

May just not have been the right year to take on a guy like Pickens. But I also don't think Pickens is a 'bad' kid. The attitude concerns were pretty nebulous; just seems like mostly some laziness and immaturity. Usually getting your dick knocked in the dirt a time or two will shake that off. I don't see him as a toxic personality - just a kid who needs to grow up a bit.

I dunno...this is a tough one. He's sooooooo talented. And as I said, I think in this thread, he's a remarkable route runner to boot. He does all those little WR things that a guy like Moore does, he just does it in a bigger package and with a higher top end.

He's absolutely a boom/bust guy, but if he can keep his head on straight, he's a Justin Jefferson sort of talent. If thats who he becomes, this one will sting a bit.

I just give this front office and coaching staff all the rope they need on "off field" stuff. If they don't wanna mess with it, it must be more than we know.

Moore kind of reminds me of DJ Moore. I'm hopeful that's what he becomes here.

And again, Pickens was arguably the best pure route runner in the draft this year. It's absolutely one of his strengths.

There's not a thing that happens on the football field that you can say negatively about George Pickens. He's an elite elite elite talent. If you're looking for a gadget guy, take Austin in the later rounds. Or just wait until AFTER you lose Hardman and draft one.

The only justification for passing on Pickens is you just don't think he has the drive to pick up the playbook quickly enough to contribute this year. If that's the case - so be it. But from a skills standpoint, there's nothing Pickens DOESN'T have.

I don't know why some people think Skyy is a slot only guy, but they'll find out that's not the case sooner or later.

I’m just relieved we didn’t take Watson. No thank you to a guy with an issue catching the ball. Apparently, he’s had drop issues with the Packers already and been hurt.

They made up for the Christian Watson pick with Romeo Doubs though

Is there a reason why you downvoted that post Run? Lol

I'm not some Watson stan even though I live in Fargo (don't give a shit about NDSU) but I think the Packers were intending him to be a WR for the future. I think they were aware that he'd likely have a slow start to his career.

But yeah, Doubs is doing well for them. And they need him. Lazard is crap. Imagine if we kept Pringle, didn't have Hardman for some reason, and didn't sign Juju. Then imagine Andy Reid and Mahomes collectively anointing Pringle as the new guy because he would be the longest tenured Chief WR. Yeah. Bad stuff.

It also could be that they had 2/3 or so Wr they rated close together and decided to roll the dice one of them makes it 4 spots down and pick up an extra pick. Probably knew Pats would go with someone off the wall that was not on their board. Eagles going elsewhere after the trade for Brown. So you get either Moore, Pickens or Pierce and pick up a pick. Maybe a little bad luck that Colts and Steelers both go Wr.

Didn’t mean to downvote. But yes Skyy is an outside player. He’s very versatile.

I think they liked Pickens but we had Juju to fill that role. They desperately needed a versatile chess piece that could do their job bc Hardman has struggled to be that guy ever since he got here.

Dude is gonna be a player. I think both are actually. But Skyy is gonna help Patrick a ton against cover 2

Seems like a pretty high draft slot for a project WR and a 38 year old QB.

Of course, it is the Packers.

So far JuJu>Moore>Watson>Hardman>MVS

I can't get over how good Watson looks. Hardman hasn't even looked bad just Skyy and Watson so good. I imagine its a bit of an aberration though

"That's a tough one," he said. "To be honest, though, in my opinion, there's a lot of tough wide receivers to guard, but to me it's Skyy [Moore]. He's just so quick and shifty outside of his releases. He gets out of his breaks very well at the top of the route. And he always makes tough, contested catches. He can do pretty much anything, run any route in the route tree. So I'd give it to him." -Jaylen Watson

I expect a TD from Moore today.


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Would have been happy with just a catch or two

Here’s the still from the game yesterday. Ball was slightly under thrown and Skyy had to pull back a bit for the ball. If it get another foot of air it’s probably a TD.

Also give our old friend Kendall Fuller credit here. He’s really good

Tell that to Pat.

Should've had a huge TD. Not his fault.

Anytime I saw JWat play in Tampa, he looked slow. Doesn’t seem to look that slow now.

I'd be willing to bet that Hardman does out perform DK. Hardman is going to wreck shit this year.

LMAO

as it stands it's looking like a lot of his opportunities are drying up because the Chiefs have a better deep threat (MVS), a better short area receiver (Skyy), and a receiver who should get a lot more looks in the red zone (Fortson).

He can be the gadget guy getting 40 touches.

I'm your huckleberry.

Let's bet then.

I wonder if Veach and Borgazzi have ran through scenarios to trade Mecole.

I don't think Mecole outperforms him this season, but I don't know that they're really all that different. I posted this previously in this thread:

Team A Player: 75 receptions, 967 yards, with ONE teammate ahead of him with 73 receptions and 1175 yards.

Team B Player: 59 receptions, 693 yards, with TWO teammates ahead of him with 111 receptions, 1239 yards and 92 receptions, 1125 yards respectively.

Team A player is probably better, but by how much?

TBH, I haven't seen a single thing from MVS that says he's clearly a better receiver than Hardman. In fact, based on the two PS games and the camp footage I've seen so far, it looks pretty clear that Mecole is better than MVS. Prove me wrong.

What I love most is that our young corners have been locking everybody up.

They've been pretty good so far, even better than I originally hoped. And I've been pretty high on them, especially McDuffie.

But it's just the preseason, and they are rooks. I'm just hoping they look competent by week 10.

Karlobundle of sticksus, on the other hand, I'm really beginning to believe he could have a DROY type of season.

Whatever. The real point is that we have a very respectable group of young players on the team right now, what might end up being a true embarrassment of riches from this draft. There's a lot of potential in these guys. Like future Ring of Honor type potential.

They're really keeping McDuffie and Skyy under wraps. I take that as a good sign.

Where was hardman Saturday? MVS was on the field catching footballs

Groin injury

Aka. Brokedick

agree,

That ball was just a little underthrown. A little bit more air that's a td for sure.

His running form is a little wonky. He’s fast but doesn’t look like it. On that long pass I initially thought the corner ****ed it up, but he made a nice move and opened a spread. Goofy formed white kid can move.

And catch. He doesn’t catch like a special teamer. Im impressed.

Pat needed to put that ball towards the back of the EZ

Hardman has never missed a regular season or playoff game in his career.

So yea brokedick describes him perfectly.

CP logic:

Guy gets hurt once = brokedick

Got 'Em!

almost unfair on third and 5 to have this guy, juju and kelce on the field

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Skyy Moore&#39;s release on repeat please <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> <a href="https://t.co/1cSLo1ZtHu">pic.twitter.com/1cSLo1ZtHu</a></p>&mdash; Zack Eisen (@zackeisen21) <a href="https://twitter.com/zackeisen21/status/1563296138735673347?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 26, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

16 days until the secret weapon is released

this dude on a team's 4th corner is burnt toast

This is a key point in any discussion about Skyy. Who will be trying to cover this speedy quick guy that runs great routes?

We know it won't be their best 2 CBs- so at best, they will throw their 3rd most talented DB at him, maybe try to keep a Safety back. This is a great matchup for the Chiefs.

It’s going to take a long time for defenses to catch up on this offense because there simply is absolutely no tape to prepare for it with. It took DCs over a year to learn how to slow down Hill and Kelce ONLY…now, we’re 4-5 deep at WR and 3 deep at TE. Not to mention these backs can all catch the ball and make plays except Jones.

Pat is going in DRY on the NFL this season.

I genuinely think he’s going to set new season marks for TDs and yards if he plays 17 games.

I like how his eyes look big like a kid in awe on Christmas morning

Whyy not Moore

Feel bad for dude

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">When the waitress hands you the bill for rookie dinner ……. <a href="https://t.co/RWbtbvSSpd">pic.twitter.com/RWbtbvSSpd</a></p>&mdash; 24 (@skyymoore24) <a href="https://twitter.com/skyymoore24/status/1563703447202963456?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 28, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

did he tip $4,000 or what

I think they were just ****ing with him

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It was a joke tho 😭🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽 <a href="https://t.co/IjqcugWjS0">https://t.co/IjqcugWjS0</a></p>&mdash; 24 (@skyymoore24) <a href="https://twitter.com/skyymoore24/status/1563706967209672705?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 28, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Player 1: "Hey guys, I've got this fake bill. We're gonna give it to one of the rookies and make him shit his pants! It will be hilarious!"

Player 2: "Yeah! Let's do it! Hey George!"

Karlaftis: *growls*

Player 2: "....Hey Skyy! Come here! You gotta take care of the bill, man!"

Didn't Grbac pull some joke with a rookie QB on a flight to Japan? Had the stewardess read the winning Powerball numbers he lifted off the guy's lottery ticket, and the dude was running up and down the aisle thinking he had won some huge amount back then?

Grbac's one redeeming quality in his time with KC, lol.

Sexiest man alive!

https://alchetron.com/cdn/elvis-grba...esize-750.jpeg

Who could forget LMAO

Pat Barnes

Once this guy has solidified his role, this offense is going to be disgusting.

Just like Pachecho, I think he's the most talented player in his position group.

He looked like he belonged on that catch. I was impressed.

Dude only got 13 snaps. Needs Moore.

Looked good enough getting positive yardage on punt returns, though he does not appear to be very fast. I don't watch college ball and don't care to look at highlights- is he not much of a burner?

He seems like he's got a solid build but I'd expect a small guy like him to be faster.

442 40 if I remember correctly-plenty fast enough

Yea, he doesn't have elite speed, but he's more than fast enough.