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htismaqe 12-02-2022 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 16638835)
To be fair, Baltimore does that and seem pretty successful with it. But I agree with you for the most part.

I would argue that Baltimore's offense is customized to take advantage of Lamar's strengths, as much as it is about his limitations.

What is being suggested here is to tailor the offense specifically around Russ' weaknesses because he really doesn't have any strengths.

RunKC 12-02-2022 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 16638816)
When Carson Wentz was traded, the dead cap hit was 35.4mm.

If Russel Wilson is traded after this season, the dead cap will be 107mm. If after next season, 85mm. The year after that, 49.6mm. And after that, 31.2mm.

This is nowhere near the Carson Wentz situation from a contract perspective.

We’ve seen this before. In fact recently. The Falcons traded Matt Ryan and are paying over $40 million in dead money this year (yikes!).

They could do what the Texans did with Brock Osweiler and pull an NBA cash dump trade. Basically another team with a lot of cap space buying a high draft pick. And it does make sense for a team like the Texans who will almost assuredly get Bryce Young.

You don’t want to throw that kid out there day 1 and Wilson’s cap hit next year and the year after is very team friendly, especially with Denver paying for the guarantees.

Also they do have by far the richest owner worth $60 billion. $80 million is pocket change for him, though him spending that would likely get Paton fired bc we all know wealthy people hate setting money on fire as much as we do.

But realistically if I’m Denver I look hard at coaches to see if this can be salvaged. As much as Russ has stunk, I think that their roster deficiencies and Hackett are a huge piece of the problem.

They’re not gonna try to get rid of Russ so quickly. They’ll see if this works at least 1 more year.

scho63 12-02-2022 10:31 AM

NOBODY is trading for Russell Wilson.

Elway hung that albatross around the Donkeys neck for 3-4 years.

They are destroyed.

THANK YOU JOHN ELWAY! ROFL

TwistedChief 12-02-2022 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16638839)
We’ve seen this before. In fact recently. The Falcons traded Matt Ryan and are paying over $40 million in dead money this year (yikes!).

They could do what the Texans did with Brock Osweiler and pull an NBA cash dump trade. Basically another team with a lot of cap space buying a high draft pick. And it does make sense for a team like the Texans who will almost assuredly get Bryce Young.

Dude, this is more than 2x the cap space. It's not like 40mm and 85mm are remotely in the same ballpark.

No team is going to use their cap space to get Russel Wilson even if they included some draft picks which of course the Broncos don't have enough of because of this trade.

TLO 10-20-2023 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 16184527)
I’m in Seattle, and I don’t know anyone here who is happy about this trade.

Can we get an update on this?

TLO 10-20-2023 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16179876)
I hope they completely ****ed their future for this deal and it sounds like they did.

Winner!

ChiefsCountry 10-20-2023 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 16179891)
Meh. We got the GOAT going into his prime years. Not that worried.

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 16179955)
Donks gave up a bunch to finish in 2nd place.

Still true today. Should have said last place instead though lol.

Rain Man 10-20-2023 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 17178885)
Still true today. Should have said last place instead though lol.

Second place must seem like a fever dream to them now.

RedinTexas 10-20-2023 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 16179955)
Donks gave up a bunch to finish in 2nd place.

They sure as hell finished in 2nd place in that trade.

RealSNR 10-20-2023 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16183754)
This thread has three groups of people in it.

1. Bronco Homers - Wilson is going to win multiple championships because the Broncos have a top 5 defense and an amazing group of weapons. Wilson has never had this great of talent around him.

2. Middle of the road - This was a win for the Broncos but this team is not as stacked as everyone says it is. He's good enough to elevate that offense and get them to the playoffs but a championship is not guaranteed. The Broncos are probably on par with the Chargers but have a more proven QB.

3. Chiefs homers - Wilson is garbage. The Broncos mortgaged their future for a broken QB who hasn't done shit without a defense. The Broncos are still 4th best in the AFC.

THE CHIEFS HOMERS HAVE WON THE PENNANT! THE CHIEFS HOMERS HAVE WON THE PENNANT!

staylor26 10-20-2023 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16179776)
LMAO

Far cry from Aaron Rodgers.

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16179782)
Have you watched Russell Wilson the last couple years?

In no way is this better for them.

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Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 16179791)
I understand what you are saying but it's better.

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16179796)
No, it’s really not.

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 16179797)
Lol.

You serious right now?

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16179806)
Please explain to me how Russell Wilson is in any way better than the back to back MVP?

You’re absolutely clueless. Wilson has been pretty bad down the stretch the last 2 years.

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16179809)
Wtf are you talking about? He’s been really good playing for a defensive team that bases it’s offense entirely on running the damn ball.

And his OL has been among the worst in the league since 2015.

I bet he’s thrilled to get out of that shit hole

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16179812)
Russell Wilson has regressed each of the last 2 seasons down the stretch.


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staylor26 10-20-2023 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16179991)
#ThaPatonPlan = overpaying for option B because you have no choice

This aged like fine wine.

smithandrew051 10-20-2023 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe (Post 16179982)
#ThePatonPlan

https://i.ibb.co/wg3X2Nq/General.jpg

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Blockbuster: After weeks of negotiations, in one of the largest trades in NFL history, the Seattle Seahawks and Denver Broncos have agreed to terms for a deal involving Super-Bowl winning QB Russell Wilson, sources tell ESPN.<br><br>Trade is pending a physical and Wilson’s approval. <a href="https://t.co/oRFDV8Ehyx">pic.twitter.com/oRFDV8Ehyx</a></p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1501266969944858630?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 8, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

:)

DJ's left nut 10-20-2023 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16183754)
This thread has three groups of people in it.

1. Bronco Homers - Wilson is going to win multiple championships because the Broncos have a top 5 defense and an amazing group of weapons. Wilson has never had this great of talent around him.

2. Middle of the road - This was a win for the Broncos but this team is not as stacked as everyone says it is. He's good enough to elevate that offense and get them to the playoffs but a championship is not guaranteed. The Broncos are probably on par with the Chargers but have a more proven QB.

3. Chiefs homers - Wilson is garbage. The Broncos mortgaged their future for a broken QB who hasn't done shit without a defense. The Broncos are still 4th best in the AFC.


I believe I was in 2.

It cost a lot, but quarterbacks cost a lot and in light of that, the return wasn't unreasonable.

Where I felt like the Broncos really screwed the pooch was the extension. They took the value in the trade and immediately set it on fire. And they did so without seeing how Wilson would even transition to a new team.

So yeah, i think 2 works.

Pasta Little Brioni 10-20-2023 12:23 PM

I was definitely 3. He was pure garbage down the stretch in Seattle and has declined further since

New World Order 10-20-2023 12:27 PM

Knowmo, any word on how the Paton Plan is progressing?

DJ's left nut 10-20-2023 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother (Post 17178975)
I was definitely 3. He was pure garbage down the stretch in Seattle and has declined further since

I did say he was more Tannehill than Rodgers.

So I'm gonna say 2.5.

Pasta Little Brioni 10-20-2023 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 17178984)
Knowmo, any word on how the Paton Plan is progressing?

I'm renaming him Private Pyle

Pitt Gorilla 10-20-2023 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17178969)
I believe I was in 2.

It cost a lot, but quarterbacks cost a lot and in light of that, the return wasn't unreasonable.

Where I felt like the Broncos really screwed the pooch was the extension. They took the value in the trade and immediately set it on fire. And they did so without seeing how Wilson would even transition to a new team.

So yeah, i think 2 works.

Wilson was NEVER going to be worth 2 firsts, 2 seconds, plus other players and picks. Group 3 was easy money.

smithandrew051 10-20-2023 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother (Post 17178975)
I was definitely 3. He was pure garbage down the stretch in Seattle and has declined further since

You have face ****ed Dildo Joe into oblivion over the last few years. I’m not sure he even exists anymore.

*salutes*

Skyy God 10-20-2023 12:45 PM

On a personal level, I truly love an overrated, cornball, grifty **** like Wilson receiving his comeuppance.

MagicHef 10-20-2023 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TLO (Post 17178874)
Can we get an update on this?

A lot of apathy about the Seahawks around here, TBH. They made a great move getting rid of Russ at exactly the right time, but the Seahawks are now pretty much just a middling team without any future at QB, which is hard to get excited about. Russ' years here were a huge bright spot for a team that never really did much, and now it looks like they're back to the norm.

DJ's left nut 10-20-2023 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 17179016)
A lot of apathy about the Seahawks around here, TBH. They made a great move getting rid of Russ at exactly the right time, but the Seahawks are now pretty much just a middling team without any future at QB, which is hard to get excited about. Russ' years here were a huge bright spot for a team that never really did much, and now it looks like they're back to the norm.

Better than being a putrid team without any future at QB...

And the draft/cap capital they've accrued as part of the deal allows them to build a foundation while looking for the next long-term solution at QB. With the way QBs age these days, they can reasonably expect roughly average QB play for the next 3-5 years.

That's a pretty long window to find the next option.

Eleazar 10-20-2023 01:05 PM

Wilson's best play as a QB is so front-loaded in his career (when he was playing on loaded teams) that it's crazy anyone thought he was worth the equivalent of 3 first round picks or so at age ~33

Eleazar 10-20-2023 01:08 PM

Then there's this:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-dnt="true"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Russell Wilson already has $39M guaranteed next season. Any kind of significant injury that would not allow him to pass a physical in March would guarantee another $37M. At some point the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Broncos?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Broncos</a> probably have to consider pulling him as starter</p>&mdash; Jason_OTC (@Jason_OTC) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jason_OTC/status/1712654823286350123?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 13, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

RunKC 10-20-2023 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 17179016)
A lot of apathy about the Seahawks around here, TBH. They made a great move getting rid of Russ at exactly the right time, but the Seahawks are now pretty much just a middling team without any future at QB, which is hard to get excited about. Russ' years here were a huge bright spot for a team that never really did much, and now it looks like they're back to the norm.

Well at least you aren't the Saints. They have an unprecedented amount of cap issues looming. They are $87 million over the cap and are stuck with Derek Carr.

They're in the worst possible place of any team IMO

smithandrew051 10-20-2023 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17179044)
Well at least you aren't the Saints. They have an unprecedented amount of cap issues looming. They are $87 million over the cap and are stuck with Derek Carr.

They're in the worst possible place of any team IMO

I think Saints fans are just happy for the Brees years. They’ve been mostly a terrible franchise, but got the HOF QB for a bit and cashed in with a Super Bowl.

They’re probably kind of like most Royals fans. We’re amazed we saw our team win the big one once, and we’re used to being bad.

Bronco fans aren’t used to this, which makes it funnier.

And yet, they still deserve worse.

duncan_idaho 10-20-2023 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17179044)
Well at least you aren't the Saints. They have an unprecedented amount of cap issues looming. They are $87 million over the cap and are stuck with Derek Carr.

They're in the worst possible place of any team IMO

They aren't the Saints *yet.*

Payton will create those same cap issues for the Broncos, too.

DJ's left nut 10-20-2023 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17179066)
They aren't the Saints *yet.*

Payton will create those same cap issues for the Broncos, too.

It appears the Broncos are going to come to grips with their suck (or in the Saints case, mediocrity) far sooner than NOLA did.

Things like moving on from Chubb and looking to move on from Jeudy suggest they're unlikely to get themselves in THAT tight of a bind.

I mean, until Sean Payton gives Taysom Hill another $15 million as the missing piece of the puzzle or something...

Rainbarrel 10-20-2023 04:52 PM

Trade vs swindled has been answered


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