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Coochie liquor 12-27-2021 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 16036376)
Andy's clock management didn't cost us the SB. Fisher's injury and Britt Reid's idiotic DUI cost us the SB.

Lots of things cost us the SB. Can’t lie, I was questioning the timeouts that allowed Bucs to get another score before half. Also he never really adjusted the game plan to shorter developing plays in game, when the OL was getting embarrassed. I love Andy, and everything he has brought to KC. But he’s not without faults. That said, I fully expect redemption in February!

sully1983 12-27-2021 07:09 AM

I want to buy Coach Reid an all you can meal of cheese fries (with as much bacon as possible) Andy Reid rules

seamonster 12-27-2021 10:37 AM

Without Andy Reid the game of football would be different. One of the signs of an all time great.

dolphinsneu 12-28-2021 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Rasputin (Post 16036614)
I hate excuses but how could they have a female ref that named her kid after Tom Brady and say the refs are unbias? Why does Tom Brady get so many PI calls in his favor when the ball goes sailing 10 feet above uncatchable?


The fact they let the ref with kid named after Tom Brady ref the game still pisses me off.

About the officiating in the Super Bowl. I sorted the calls out into three categories

BAD

I thought the holding call on the interception was garbage. When you look at the replay, it seems like legal coverage. He is maintaining contact with the receiver, then he releases the receiver after he exits the five yard zone. When he puts his arms around the receiver again, Brady has released the football, meaning holding is not a penalty anymore. The pass being tipped negates PI. That interception should have stood.

IFFY


The first defensive holding call was suspect. He does grab him, but the receiver slips and this hold in no way causes the receiver to slip. I've seen similar grabbing not called.

I NEED RULE CLARIFICATION ON

The PI down the sideline, I am not sure about. The receiver and the defender get their feet tangled. This causes the defender to fall. This fall causes him to land on the receiver's legs, in turn causing him to fall. Is this a penalty? Or is it incidental tripping?

The last PI is unquestionably PI. He is cutting the receiver off without playing the ball. Is this pass catchable. In theory, yes. Mike Evans is very tall and has a high vertical leap. I don't see how he can do it unless, he jumps and spears the ball with one hands, which is almost impossible, but technically possible. Does this mean the ball was catchable.

Nickhead 12-28-2021 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by sully1983 (Post 16036726)
I want to buy Coach Reid an all you can meal of cheese fries (with as much bacon as possible) Andy Reid rules

you trying to kill the man? ROFL

GloryDayz 12-28-2021 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by dolphinsneu (Post 16038192)
About the officiating in the Super Bowl. I sorted the calls out into three categories

BAD

I thought the holding call on the interception was garbage. When you look at the replay, it seems like legal coverage. He is maintaining contact with the receiver, then he releases the receiver after he exits the five yard zone. When he puts his arms around the receiver again, Brady has released the football, meaning holding is not a penalty anymore. The pass being tipped negates PI. That interception should have stood.

IFFY


The first defensive holding call was suspect. He does grab him, but the receiver slips and this hold in no way causes the receiver to slip. I've seen similar grabbing not called.

I NEED RULE CLARIFICATION ON

The PI down the sideline, I am not sure about. The receiver and the defender get their feet tangled. This causes the defender to fall. This fall causes him to land on the receiver's legs, in turn causing him to fall. Is this a penalty? Or is it incidental tripping?

The last PI is unquestionably PI. He is cutting the receiver off without playing the ball. Is this pass catchable. In theory, yes. Mike Evans is very tall and has a high vertical leap. I don't see how he can do it unless, he jumps and spears the ball with one hands, which is almost impossible, but technically possible. Does this mean the ball was catchable.

The bottom line is that if they want to make the game fair the standard for what is and isn't holding needs to be the same for O-linemen as it is for DBs. We all know how to parrot the phrase "there's a hold on every play" when it suites your team's needs, but it's not about that all all, its about the standard being the same.

I know, I know, how would that aid in the NFL having more scoring?!?!?!?!

Chris Meck 12-28-2021 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by sully1983 (Post 16036726)
I want to buy Coach Reid a nice salad (with a light balsamic dressing)because I love him and want him to coach The Chiefs for a long time. Andy Reid rules

I fixed your post.

:D

RealSNR 12-28-2021 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16038435)
I fixed your post.

:D


Let Andy be Andy, man.

If he were going to slim down permanently he would’ve done it by now.

I just stop worrying about it. Let him figure his own problems out

chinaski 12-28-2021 12:59 PM

I would love to hit up Jack Stack with Andy. Burnt Ends, Cheezy Corn, Beans, Onion Rings and Fries with a Diet Coke to wash it all down.

dlphg9 12-28-2021 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by chinaski (Post 16038615)
I would love to hit up Jack Stack with Andy. Burnt Ends, Cheezy Corn, Beans, Onion Rings and Fries with a Diet Coke to wash it all down.

Only the nastiest mother ****ers drink diet coke lol.

Hammock Parties 12-28-2021 09:21 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Andy Reid was in a great mood after the win, signing autographs after the game. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> <a href="https://t.co/ebi41t6kEx">pic.twitter.com/ebi41t6kEx</a></p>&mdash; Harold R. Kuntz (@HaroldRKuntz3) <a href="https://twitter.com/HaroldRKuntz3/status/1475300884120838145?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 27, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Pitt Gorilla 12-28-2021 09:51 PM

Yeah, I don't want to see any Chief Fan idiot complaining about Andy or EB again.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@chiefs</a> run plays I don’t see anyone else running….and it’s a weekly occurrence. I think <a href="https://twitter.com/PatrickMahomes?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@PatrickMahomes</a> ❤️❤️❤️❤️ all of it <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/chiefskingdom?

src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#chiefskingdom</a> <a

href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BaldysBreakdowns?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BaldysBreakdowns</a> <a href="https://t.co/twVi9yMyk2">pic.twitter.com/twVi9yMyk2</a></p>&mdash; Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/BaldyNFL/status/1475604799185895434?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 27, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Hammock Parties 01-08-2022 09:16 PM

goat

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Only 5 Coaches have 250 regular/postseason wins. Andy Reid told <a href="https://twitter.com/HerbieTeope?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@HerbieTeope</a> after Patrick Mahomes extension signing: &quot;If it takes me into my 70s, then let&#39;s roll. I&#39;m ready to go.&quot;<br>1. Don Shula, 347<br>2. George Halas, 324<br>3. Bill Belichick, 321<br>4. Tom Landry, 270<br>5. Andy Reid, 250</p>&mdash; Harold R. Kuntz (@HaroldRKuntz3) <a href="https://twitter.com/HaroldRKuntz3/status/1480014722380480512?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 9, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

BigRedChief 01-08-2022 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 16039352)
Yeah, I don't want to see any Chief Fan idiot complaining about Andy or EB again.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@chiefs</a> run plays I don’t see anyone else running….and it’s a weekly occurrence. I think <a href="https://twitter.com/PatrickMahomes?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@PatrickMahomes</a> ❤️❤️❤️❤️ all of it <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/chiefskingdom?

src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#chiefskingdom</a> <a

href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BaldysBreakdowns?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BaldysBreakdowns</a> <a href="https://t.co/twVi9yMyk2">pic.twitter.com/twVi9yMyk2</a></p>&mdash; Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/BaldyNFL/status/1475604799185895434?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 27, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I want to complain about the 1st down run up the middle for minimal to no gains that seems to be the choice on about 60% of the first down snaps. But that could be part of the pre ordained NFL rigged game plan.

Hammock Parties 01-08-2022 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 16061368)
I want to complain about the 1st down run up the middle for minimal to no gains that seems to be the choice on about 60% of the first down snaps.

This isn't even a reality anymore. Chiefs get 3-6 yards on these plays usually.

Wisconsin_Chief 01-08-2022 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by seamonster (Post 16036902)
Without Andy Reid the game of football would be different. One of the signs of an all time great.

This is such a great way of looking at it. Both in Philly and here his teams were cores of the conference. Always in the mix, always in the big games. He took over the NFC East and the AFC West. He left a dent in the fabric of the sport.

He is an amazing football mind. What he has done is just plain amazing.

BigRedChief 01-08-2022 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16061374)
This isn't even a reality anymore. Chiefs get 3-6 yards on these plays usually.

So is the rigged game plan working or not? Asking for the Planet.

Red Dawg 01-08-2022 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 16061378)
So is the rigged game plan working or not? Asking for the Planet.

Its working for the NFL. Chargers at Chiefs is still a go right now.

tk13 01-16-2022 10:29 PM

Two stats after tonight:

-Reid now has as many playoff wins with the Chiefs (8) as every other Chiefs coach combined.

-He moved by himself into 4th place all time in playoff wins (18). Only guys ahead of him now are Belichick, Landry and Shula. He's only one win behind Shula and two behind Landry so they're within reach.

Titty Meat 01-16-2022 10:33 PM

GOAT chiefs coach top 10 NFL coach maybe top 5

louie aguiar 01-16-2022 10:35 PM

Andy Reid is a genius. We’re lucky to have him

-King- 01-16-2022 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 16082247)
GOAT chiefs coach top 10 NFL coach maybe top 5

I'm assuming you're talking about all time and not active? Cause active, at worst I'd put him at 2, and seeing the way Belichick coached last night...

Chiefspants 01-16-2022 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 16082247)
GOAT chiefs coach top 10 NFL coach maybe top 5

Agreed.

Hammock Parties 01-19-2022 09:16 AM

Andy Reid is the only NFL head coach to win 5 or more postseason games with two different teams.

Wallcrawler 01-19-2022 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by louie aguiar (Post 16082255)
Andy Reid is a genius. We’re lucky to have him

Yes. I especially loved how the team was just going through the motions like zombies in the first quarter of the wildcard, and to get things going, what did Andy do?

Did he gather the boys for a fiery speech? No.

Did he call up a special play designed for our top playmakers? Again friends, No.

Andy Reid displayed his genius to the world by putting a wildcat play together run by a guy who is not only barely trusted to return kicks, but had never taken a wildcat snap all season in Mecole Hardman that resulted in 2 fumbles on the same play and was returned for a td by the best unit on the other team.

Brilliant.

This was the ice cold bucket of water to the face of the sleeping Chiefs offense.

From this point forward, Patrick Mahomes was an unstoppable killing machine on the field, firing 5 td passes in 10:30 game time.

The Bills defense will be totally mind ****ed this Sunday. Are we really playing well?

Or are we falling into another Andy Reid trap that engages the hyperdrive on that offense?

Should we even try to force a turnover?

Dear GOD man!

Is this pant shitting Andy Reid doing this, or cold calculating devious, treacherous Andy Reid giving us one play in exchange for bitch slapping his offense out of a stupor after which we will be completely destroyed?!

Sleep on that, Bills.

DJ's left nut 01-19-2022 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 16061368)
I want to complain about the 1st down run up the middle for minimal to no gains that seems to be the choice on about 60% of the first down snaps. But that could be part of the pre ordained NFL rigged game plan.

2 things:

1) The chiefs do that less frequently than almost any team in the league. I think it's something like 70% of their 'competitive' 1st down plays are passes.

2) They still do it too often. I'd run on 1st down maybe twice a game just to keep teams honest. That's really all it would take.

htismaqe 01-19-2022 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16087026)
2 things:

1) The chiefs do that less frequently than almost any team in the league. I think it's something like 70% of their 'competitive' 1st down plays are passes.

2) They still do it too often. I'd run on 1st down maybe twice a game just to keep teams honest. That's really all it would take.

This season, almost 70% of their plays are passes, period. Only Tampa throws the ball more.

DJ's left nut 01-19-2022 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 16082247)
GOAT chiefs coach top 10 NFL coach maybe top 5

He was top 10 BEFORE he won a Super Bowl.

He's in the top 5 now.

htismaqe 01-19-2022 02:06 PM

Andy Reid is the best coach in Chiefs history. I know Stram is an all-time great but with his history in Philly and what he's done in KC, Andy just has more "feathers" in his cap.

And right now, he's easily top 2-3 in terms of active NFL coaches. I'd put him right up there with Bill.

DJ's left nut 01-19-2022 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16087028)
This season, almost 70% of their plays are passes, period. Only Tampa throws the ball more.

A hair over 62% of their plays are passes. 5th or 6th in the league depending on the source you use.

Their first down pass percentage is virtually identical at right at 62% though they move down in the rankings a bit there. They're 9th in pass% on first down. It's about where they were last year as well.

I'd like to see them leading the league in that stat every season. There's just not a good argument for first down runs apart from blatant tendency breakers or the occasional RPO decision.

RunKC 01-19-2022 02:10 PM

Andy is better than Belichick. Bill hasn’t done shit without Brady.

Andy has gone to several championship games and Super Bowl’s with multiple QB’s and teams. That’s amazing

Curé 01-19-2022 02:13 PM

you know what andy weed? wub it in our face!

htismaqe 01-19-2022 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16087050)
A hair over 62% of their plays are passes. 5th or 6th in the league depending on the source you use.

Their first down pass percentage is virtually identical at right at 62% though they move down in the rankings a bit there. They're 9th in pass% on first down. It's about where they were last year as well.

I'd like to see them leading the league in that stat every season. There's just not a good argument for first down runs apart from blatant tendency breakers or the occasional RPO decision.

Where did you get that? I swear I read at NGS or somewhere similar they were #2.

DJ's left nut 01-19-2022 02:20 PM

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/passing-play-pct

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/sta...first-down-pct

I tried to check their work and could find some similar overall stats on ESPN and a couple other data aggregators but couldn't find anything on the 1st down run/pass rates to corroborate their data.

It seems fairly trustworthy given I could verify that their overall numbers were accurate (everyone judges run/pass just a little differently due to RPOs and QB scrambles).

DJ's left nut 01-19-2022 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16087052)
Andy is better than Belichick. Bill hasn’t done shit without Brady.

Andy has gone to several championship games and Super Bowl’s with multiple QB’s and teams. That’s amazing

That's partly right and partly wrong.

No, he's never won anything without Brady, but Brady has been 3 distinctly different players throughout his career. He went from strictly a game manager to being a really powerful, accurate downfield thrower, to the damn robot he's become.

He didn't win with 3 different names, no. But you can argue that he absolutely won with 3 different quarterbacks. And Reid's never gone out there with a team that was overmatched like BB did in 2001 and arguably 2018 and beaten superior teams to win championships.

Those were awfully damn average football teams that BB got championship efforts out of with duct tape and bubble gum. Neither of those teams should've won a title but BB essentially willed it into existence. And on both sides of his career, no less.

There's not an argument for Reid over BB.

Yet.

htismaqe 01-19-2022 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16087068)
https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/passing-play-pct

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/sta...first-down-pct

I tried to check their work and could find some similar overall stats on ESPN and a couple other data aggregators but couldn't find anything on the 1st down run/pass rates to corroborate their data.

It seems fairly trustworthy given I could verify that their overall numbers were accurate (everyone judges run/pass just a little differently due to RPOs and QB scrambles).

I wonder if maybe what I read was at a different point in time. I remember the exact percentage being 69.7% but I don't remember the sample or context. It was something I found last week when talking about how few sacks the line has given up.

If I go to various sites like PFR and capture it after certain weeks, it fluctuates between 61% and 67% but the final stats that include last week's Steelers game, it comes out to almost exactly 62%.

So we'll go with your numbers.

DJ's left nut 01-19-2022 02:37 PM

Man - from 2007 to 2017, Brady was just a damn monster.

He averaged (removing the season lost to injury) right at 4,500 yards/season w/ a 34/8 TD/INT ratio. An AY/A of 8.3.

He was accurate, he was aggressive - he was just a terminator out there. And by and large he did it with different weapons year after year after year. He went from the Moss/Welker/Watson/Faulk crew to Welker/Branch/Gronk-Hernandez to Brandon Lloyd, Julian Edelmen and Shane Vereen. Remember that 2 week stretch where Kenbrell Thompkins was fantasy relevant? That was weird. Brandon LaFell was a thing for a bit there?

And that was from ages 30-40. That's when he was at his peak and by FAR.

Man he was a monster. And now he's likeable and shit. Dammit I wish he'd just retire already.

Hammock Parties 01-20-2022 10:46 PM

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GloryDayz 01-21-2022 08:41 AM

From 4:45 - 5:50 was an interesting listen. (some of the history of the remaining QBs) VERY interesting IMO. Wow, kinda cool...

Wisconsin_Chief 01-21-2022 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16087052)
Andy is better than Belichick. Bill hasn’t done shit without Brady.

Andy has gone to several championship games and Super Bowl’s with multiple QB’s and teams. That’s amazing

Absolutely agree.

I'd take Andy over BB any day of the week and it's not even a question at this point.

DJ's left nut 01-21-2022 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16090145)
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I don't think you can argue the resumes at this point.

Give Andy 2 more rings and we'll talk, though.

At some point scoreboard matters. Sure, he had Brady for his run, but c'mon - he flat stole a couple championships in there as well. For now it still has to be BB.

htismaqe 01-21-2022 10:06 AM

About the QB's...

One could argue that BB took a flyer on a 6th round guy that was honestly a prototypical pocket passer, largely NFL ready, from a power school that ran a pro style offense, and plugged him in to the existing offense. I know that's overly simplistic and they did evolve over time but Brady largely developed Brady, not Bill.

Mahomes, on the other hand, walked into an offense that Andy then custom-tailored to his skill set. They've both evolved together, including this year.

I know Andy doesn't have the rings but in many ways, what he's done is more impressive.

DJ's left nut 01-21-2022 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16090620)
About the QB's...

One could argue that BB took a flyer on a 6th round guy that was honestly a prototypical pocket passer, largely NFL ready, from a power school that ran a pro style offense, and plugged him in to the existing offense. I know that's overly simplistic and they did evolve over time but Brady largely developed Brady, not Bill.

Mahomes, on the other hand, walked into an offense that Andy then custom-tailored to his skill set. They've both evolved together, including this year.

I know Andy doesn't have the rings but in many ways, what he's done is more impressive.

Again, I think we overlook exactly how much the BB offense changed over the years and how it changed around Brady.

I think BB deserves ample credit for that.

htismaqe 01-21-2022 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16090637)
Again, I think we overlook exactly how much the BB offense changed over the years and how it changed around Brady.

I think BB deserves ample credit for that.

But did Bill DEVELOP Brady or did he just adapt to him?

Andy has done both with Mahomes.

ChiefsFanatic 01-21-2022 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16087028)
This season, almost 70% of their plays are passes, period. Only Tampa throws the ball more.

One of the things that pisses me off after a pass on 1st down that only gains 3 yards or less, is the predictable delayed draw play right up the middle.

I am sure I am not the only one who sees 2nd & 8 and screams at the TV, pleading with Reid not to run up the middle, only to watch a handoff up the middle. I don't see the benefit of a run that has no chance to gain significant yards. I don't think it adds anything to play action.

Thank goodness we have the best 3rd down offense in football, but imagine if we didn't put ourselves in 3rd and long so often.

Hell, maybe we don't really do it, but it sure seems like we do.

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ChiefsFanatic 01-21-2022 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16087037)
Andy Reid is the best coach in Chiefs history. I know Stram is an all-time great but with his history in Philly and what he's done in KC, Andy just has more "feathers" in his cap.



And right now, he's easily top 2-3 in terms of active NFL coaches. I'd put him right up there with Bill.

I know that I got crushed for saying this before, but what Marty did for the franchise was more impressive than what Reid has done.

Yes, I know we have been to 2 Super Bowls, but we were not that far removed from winning seasons when Reid got here. Marty rebuilt a franchise that had nearly two and a half decades of being one of the historic bottom feeders the NFL had ever seen.

Also, Reid worked with an owner who was not afraid to draft a 1st round QB. Lamar, was scared to death of either whiffing again, and Carl was absolutely against hitching his employment and reputation to a possible 1st round bust.

Carl gave Marty QBs like Steve DeBerg, Dave Krieg, Steve Bono, and Elvis Grbac. The ONE TIME that Carl gave Marty a legitimate top tier QB, he went to the AFC Championship game. And that QB was clearly at the diminished abilities stage of his career, and had battled injuries for several seasons.

Overall, Reid is a better NFL head coach than Marty, considering his history with Philly and KC, but Marty gets saddled with the playoff losses that were often equally Carl Peterson's fault, like when Carl didn't pay Lowery so he could pocket a bonus, and his cheap kicker missed 3 MFing field goals.

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tk13 01-23-2022 11:23 PM

-With today's win, Reid ties Don Shula for 3rd all time in playoff wins with 19. A win next week would tie him with Tom Landry for 2nd.

-Next week will be Reid's 9th conference title game. Only Belichick and Landry have more. He's also now taken two teams to 4 straight conference championship games.

Also going off last week's stat, he now has more Chiefs playoff wins than every other Chiefs coach combined.

Hammock Parties 01-24-2022 12:00 AM

Andy has gigabytes

and this year he saved an entire hard drive for the playoffs

TwistedChief 01-24-2022 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic (Post 16090832)
I know that I got crushed for saying this before, but what Marty did for the franchise was more impressive than what Reid has done.

We were 2-14 coming off a murder-suicide and Reid started with 9 straight wins and has won 6 straight AFC West championships, taken the team to 4 consecutive home AFCCGs, and won a Super Bowl.

I don't think anything any NFL coach has ever done is clearly more impressive than what Reid has done.

Chiefspants 01-24-2022 12:14 AM

The dude may as well be leading the Rohirrim. I can't believe this legend is our head coach.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">one of the hardest lines ever spit was spit by andy reid and we&#39;re all just gonna have to live with that <a href="https://t.co/xaLffLfujZ">https://t.co/xaLffLfujZ</a></p>&mdash; booster douglas (@not_carlisle) <a href="https://twitter.com/not_carlisle/status/1485459469207224320?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 24, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Hammock Parties 01-24-2022 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 16102484)
The dude may as well be leading the Rohirrim. I can't believe this legend is our head coach.

He truly is our King Theoden.

And when he is done, I will give him a King's sendoff.

ChiefsFanatic 01-24-2022 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 16102453)
We were 2-14 coming off a murder-suicide and Reid started with 9 straight wins and has won 6 straight AFC West championships, taken the team to 4 consecutive home AFCCGs, and won a Super Bowl.



I don't think anything any NFL coach has ever done is clearly more impressive than what Reid has done.

We had one playoff appearance in almost 25 years, coming off a couple of 2-14 seasons, and Marty won the 3rd most games in the 90s behind the 49ers and Bills.

Marty literally resurrected a broken, doormat of a franchise. We were only a couple of years removed from playoff appearances when Reid got here.

Again, overall, Reid is a better NFL Head Coach, but what Marty did was like what Snyder did at K-State.

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Zap Rowsdower 01-24-2022 12:41 AM

These are the good 'ol days. Enjoy them!

Coach 01-24-2022 12:45 AM

Andy has done a lot of silly things and some "WTF" moments, that definitely makes us bang our heads on the wall and curse.

But at the same time, when a coach takes a team to 4 consecutive NFC and AFC Championship games, that's pretty ****ing impressive thing to do, and that shit isn't easy.

I'm glad he is our HC, even with the warts he has.

Hammock Parties 01-29-2022 12:19 AM

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Chris Meck 01-29-2022 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic (Post 16102508)
We had one playoff appearance in almost 25 years, coming off a couple of 2-14 seasons, and Marty won the 3rd most games in the 90s behind the 49ers and Bills.

Marty literally resurrected a broken, doormat of a franchise. We were only a couple of years removed from playoff appearances when Reid got here.

Again, overall, Reid is a better NFL Head Coach, but what Marty did was like what Snyder did at K-State.

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2-14. Todd Haley. Romeo Crennel. Matt Cassel.

candy wrappers in the stairwell. Belcher.

No. This franchise was as low as a franchise can get. There was nothing here.

You're letting nostalgia get the better of your judgement.

Wallcrawler 01-29-2022 09:42 AM

Mahomes is the difference.

Andy in 5 years with Alex Smith missed the playoffs once, and was steering the ship on two of the biggest postseason collapses in NFL HISTORY.

When you get a guy that can do the things that #15 does, a lot of big decisions don't even manifest themselves.

He's a great, solid coach. But let's be honest here.

Jim Johnsons ferocious defenses were more the reason for those NFCCG appearances in philly, and rightfully so, the rules back then were more favorable to defenses.

With new rules favoring offenses, Andy was able to take a safe throw or sack game manager qb in Alex Smith, and right a sinking ship, but did absolutely **** all in the post season. 2 catastrophic legendary collapses, and a home game where his defense surrendered only 6 fgs but his offense simply could not do anything.

For all his offensive "genious" he was also the author of the only season in NFL history where a wr did not catch a touchdown pass.

With Mahomes, it's not even remotely close to how it was.

Andy has done a PHENOMENAL job of capitalizing on Patrick Mahomes' talent. When you have the best qb on the planet, in a league whose rules favor offense heavily, if you do your job you should be in the dance. A Dee Ford pre snap penalty and a trash ass Bob Sutton defense kept him from 3 straight superbowl appearances.

I'll always appreciate what Andy has done for the Chiefs, but my view of him as a coach doesn't have him up on this pedestal that many have him on.

A lot of people lament Andy Reid eventually retiring, but I feel like whoever comes in here, if Andy retired TODAY, the Chiefs with a healthy Patrick Mahomes are going to be a force for the next decade.

SuperBowl4 01-31-2022 06:38 AM

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Why Not? 01-31-2022 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler (Post 16114523)
Mahomes is the difference.

Andy in 5 years with Alex Smith missed the playoffs once, and was steering the ship on two of the biggest postseason collapses in NFL HISTORY.

When you get a guy that can do the things that #15 does, a lot of big decisions don't even manifest themselves.

He's a great, solid coach. But let's be honest here.

Jim Johnsons ferocious defenses were more the reason for those NFCCG appearances in philly, and rightfully so, the rules back then were more favorable to defenses.

With new rules favoring offenses, Andy was able to take a safe throw or sack game manager qb in Alex Smith, and right a sinking ship, but did absolutely **** all in the post season. 2 catastrophic legendary collapses, and a home game where his defense surrendered only 6 fgs but his offense simply could not do anything.

For all his offensive "genious" he was also the author of the only season in NFL history where a wr did not catch a touchdown pass.

With Mahomes, it's not even remotely close to how it was.

Andy has done a PHENOMENAL job of capitalizing on Patrick Mahomes' talent. When you have the best qb on the planet, in a league whose rules favor offense heavily, if you do your job you should be in the dance. A Dee Ford pre snap penalty and a trash ass Bob Sutton defense kept him from 3 straight superbowl appearances.

I'll always appreciate what Andy has done for the Chiefs, but my view of him as a coach doesn't have him up on this pedestal that many have him on.

A lot of people lament Andy Reid eventually retiring, but I feel like whoever comes in here, if Andy retired TODAY, the Chiefs with a healthy Patrick Mahomes are going to be a force for the next decade.

Now this is a post that actually did age well, unfortunately. Yeah, I'll always love Andy for the title and the overall run and he's obviously a HOFer, but it will be impossible to tell his story without including the brutal collapses and such.

Sassy Squatch 01-31-2022 07:04 AM

This is just ****ing baffling that people are putting the lions share of the blame on Reid for yesterday.

Mahomes is the one that cost us at least 3 points at the end of the half.

Mahomes is the one that threw a god awful interception to a DT on a ****ing RPO.

Mahomes is the one that killed our 1st and goal from the 5 drive with inexcusable decision after inexcusable decision.

Reid did what everyone here screeched at him to do. He left it almost entirely in Mahomes hands.

RealSNR 01-31-2022 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Why Not? (Post 16121211)
Now this is a post that actually did age well, unfortunately. Yeah, I'll always love Andy for the title and the overall run and he's obviously a HOFer, but it will be impossible to tell his story without including the brutal collapses and such.

Is THIS brutal collapse Reid's fault?

No. No it's not.

Jerm 01-31-2022 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16121220)
This is just ****ing baffling that people are putting the lions share of the blame on Reid for yesterday.

Mahomes is the one that cost us at least 3 points at the end of the half.

Mahomes is the one that threw a god awful interception to a DT on a ****ing RPO.

Mahomes is the one that killed our 1st and goal from the 5 drive with inexcusable decision after inexcusable decision.

Reid did what everyone here screeched at him to do. He left it almost entirely in Mahomes hands.

I mean we’re not in the position for Mahomes to cost us 3 pts. at the end of the half if Andy kicks the FG…ya know, not let the QB dictate what happens.

Why Not? 01-31-2022 07:15 AM

If you're the head coach, and your team loses a home playoff game where it was up 21-3, you're telling me that you would not own that? What do you think "head coach" means? Go ask Andy, I promise you he would own it. Think I made it pretty clear that I love the guy and all but this was a collapse and that's on the coach and the QB. That's how it works in football. They get the lion's share of the glory when things go right and they eat most of the shit when they don't.

Sassy Squatch 01-31-2022 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 16121231)
I mean we’re not in the position for Mahomes to cost us 3 pts. at the end of the half if Andy kicks the FG…ya know, not let the QB dictate what happens.

When he does that he gets screeched at for taking the ball out of Mahomes hands and not giving him another chance.

scho63 01-31-2022 07:41 AM

Why we didn't run in the 2nd half with wide sets when they only rushed 3 is mind boggling.

TEX 01-31-2022 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 16121231)
I mean we’re not in the position for Mahomes to cost us 3 pts. at the end of the half if Andy kicks the FG…ya know, not let the QB dictate what happens.

Yep. He had already let Mahomes take a shot. Kick it on 2nd down and get 3... Then at the end of the game, run the damn ball 3 or maybe even 4 times if u have to in order to win it in regulation. Just incredibly bad coaching decisions at critical times.

Valiant 01-31-2022 10:04 AM

Andy's post game just pissed me off. They need to add an asst coach that will change up calls to what defenses are giving us. Same with defense. We do not adjust.

They were keeping an extra guy on the line for protection is why we couldn't get snacks? Then what were our safeties doing? We had a we had 3 man advantage and did not cover anyone.
Better play calls? Why go away from what was working all game.

Andy is great, but he helped lose this game.
Cut the fat off this team.

Wallcrawler 01-31-2022 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16121220)
This is just ****ing baffling that people are putting the lions share of the blame on Reid for yesterday.

Mahomes is the one that cost us at least 3 points at the end of the half.

Mahomes is the one that threw a god awful interception to a DT on a ****ing RPO.

Mahomes is the one that killed our 1st and goal from the 5 drive with inexcusable decision after inexcusable decision.

Reid did what everyone here screeched at him to do. He left it almost entirely in Mahomes hands.

Andy Reid is the one who pissed away the timeout we needed with 5 seconds, because throwing the red flag is too hard.

Andy Reid is the one who decided to try another play with 5 seconds and no timeout.

Andy Reid is the one who called the play with not all patterns to the ez, and worse, with TYREEK ****ING HILL running in the backfield and not the endzone. Hill being out there is the only reason Mahomes tried it. Why Hill was not already running a route into the endzone is unknown, and inexcusable.

Andy Reid is the one who pulled McKinnon out of the game when he was running well.

Andy Reid is the one who called that abortion of a series at the end of regulation. Handoff to eat timeout and burn clock? Sounds hard. Let's get Pat stripsacked for huge loss.

Like it or not, Andy owns a lot of this shitshow.

Demarcus Robinson on the field in OT? WHAT? Dude didn't get a single target all game and in the crunch this us your go to guy on the play?

Lmmfgdao. No.

Reid now owns ANOTHER 18 point collapse in the playoffs, with a healthy Mahomes. 50/50 on SB appearances and wins.

For 4 straight title games, 1 ring out of that is simply disappointing. He's the head coach. He has to own it.

If it weren't for situational football, Andy has as many rings as Belichick. Easy.

It's the bane of Andy's existence.

ShowtimeSBMVP 01-31-2022 10:51 AM

There is a reason he’s been to 8 championship games and has only 1 ring. I really thought Patrick could hide his flaws but we saw some of the old Andy yesterday

Hammock Parties 01-31-2022 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Quitter (Post 16121626)
There is a reason he’s been to 8 championship games and has only 1 ring. I really thought Patrick could hide his flaws but we saw some of the old Andy yesterday

This loss is 80% on Patrick.

At one point he couldn't hit a ****ing flat route to Clyde.

ShowtimeSBMVP 01-31-2022 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16121643)
This loss is 80% on Patrick.

At one point he couldn't hit a ****ing flat route to Clyde.

And you don’t think Andy saw the whole second half he didn’t have it. You run the ball.

Chiefspants 01-31-2022 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Quitter (Post 16121646)
And you don’t think Andy saw the whole second half he didn’t have it. You run the ball.

Yep. Pat shares the majority of the blame, but it's not quite 80% imo. This was a full team collapse. From Jones not finishing on his sacks, to Andy's playcalling, to Hill and Kelce not pulling in tough catches they were capable of pulling in. Truth be told a lot of people on this team had a chance to make the play that could have won it for us, but in the end -- they didn't.

In regards to Andy, you can't look at the scheme the Bengals were running and it least try a drive made up of runs in a power formation. Andy's playcall at the end of the half, while on Pat's shoulders to throw it away, also deserves scrutiny (and he's admitted as much).

You can only blow so many 18 point playoff leads before some of the blame gets tagged to you.

Still wouldn't trade him for the world, tho

Rams Fan 01-31-2022 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Wallcrawler (Post 16121605)
Andy Reid is the one who pissed away the timeout we needed with 5 seconds, because throwing the red flag is too hard.

Andy Reid is the one who decided to try another play with 5 seconds and no timeout.

Andy Reid is the one who called the play with not all patterns to the ez, and worse, with TYREEK ****ING HILL running in the backfield and not the endzone. Hill being out there is the only reason Mahomes tried it. Why Hill was not already running a route into the endzone is unknown, and inexcusable.

Andy Reid is the one who pulled McKinnon out of the game when he was running well.

Andy Reid is the one who called that abortion of a series at the end of regulation. Handoff to eat timeout and burn clock? Sounds hard. Let's get Pat stripsacked for huge loss.

Like it or not, Andy owns a lot of this shitshow.

Demarcus Robinson on the field in OT? WHAT? Dude didn't get a single target all game and in the crunch this us your go to guy on the play?

Lmmfgdao. No.

Reid now owns ANOTHER 18 point collapse in the playoffs, with a healthy Mahomes. 50/50 on SB appearances and wins.

For 4 straight title games, 1 ring out of that is simply disappointing. He's the head coach. He has to own it.

If it weren't for situational football, Andy has as many rings as Belichick. Easy.

It's the bane of Andy's existence.

Sorry, but there’s not a world where Reid should have 5 more rings due to situational football.

He should probably have at least 1 more ring with Mahomes, but that’s about it.

Fishels 01-31-2022 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler (Post 16121605)
Andy Reid is the one who pissed away the timeout we needed with 5 seconds, because throwing the red flag is too hard.

Andy Reid is the one who decided to try another play with 5 seconds and no timeout.

Andy Reid is the one who called the play with not all patterns to the ez, and worse, with TYREEK ****ING HILL running in the backfield and not the endzone. Hill being out there is the only reason Mahomes tried it. Why Hill was not already running a route into the endzone is unknown, and inexcusable.

Andy Reid is the one who pulled McKinnon out of the game when he was running well.

Andy Reid is the one who called that abortion of a series at the end of regulation. Handoff to eat timeout and burn clock? Sounds hard. Let's get Pat stripsacked for huge loss.

Like it or not, Andy owns a lot of this shitshow.

Demarcus Robinson on the field in OT? WHAT? Dude didn't get a single target all game and in the crunch this us your go to guy on the play?

Lmmfgdao. No.

Reid now owns ANOTHER 18 point collapse in the playoffs, with a healthy Mahomes. 50/50 on SB appearances and wins.

For 4 straight title games, 1 ring out of that is simply disappointing. He's the head coach. He has to own it.

If it weren't for situational football, Andy has as many rings as Belichick. Easy.

It's the bane of Andy's existence.

Harsh but great. Don’t agree about rings count tho

DJ's left nut 01-31-2022 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16121643)
This loss is 80% on Patrick.

At one point he couldn't hit a ****ing flat route to Clyde.

Yeah, Pat gacked this one.

But Andy didn't help. McKinnon wasn't just getting 5 yards/carry on average - he was just flat getting 5 yards damn near every carry. I mean he was gouging Cincinnati and the Bengals did nothing to adjust.

Andy did what dozens if not hundreds of managers/coaches have done before him. He fell victim to 'Great Man Syndrome'. He was convinced his guy would figure it out before it was too late. He was certain that when the chips were down, his star player would stand tall and make the one play he needed to make to pull it from the fire.

This time he was wrong. I understand why he did it, but it was a choice Andy made and one he has to live with.

It was a rough game by the two guys we could least afford having bad games. One or the other could struggle, but when Mahomes is off his game and Reid isn't reacting aggressively out there, we're just gonna lose. It is what it is.

RunKC 01-31-2022 11:31 AM

This isn’t on Andy. Kelce was open and Patrick held onto the ball in a clean pocket. No idea what he was thinking

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I think not throwing to Kelce or Pringle on the third-and-goal stripsack is going to haunt Mahomes all offseason. <a href="https://t.co/3Nh5Y2jHHd">pic.twitter.com/3Nh5Y2jHHd</a></p>&mdash; Bill Barnwell (@billbarnwell) <a href="https://twitter.com/billbarnwell/status/1488175687064244236?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 31, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

DJ's left nut 01-31-2022 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 16121663)
Yep. Pat shares the majority of the blame, but it's not quite 80% imo. This was a full team collapse. From Jones not finishing on his sacks, to Andy's playcalling, to Hill and Kelce not pulling in tough catches they were capable of pulling in. Truth be told a lot of people on this team had a chance to make the play that could have won it for us, but in the end -- they didn't.

In regards to Andy, you can't look at the scheme the Bengals were running and it least try a drive made up of runs in a power formation. Andy's playcall at the end of the half, while on Pat's shoulders to throw it away, also deserves scrutiny (and he's admitted as much).

You can only blow so many 18 point playoff leads before some of the blame gets tagged to you.

Still wouldn't trade him for the world, tho

It was like the Colts loss in Indy or the Titans loss in Arrowhead.

Both games were games where about a half-dozen guys had opportunities to make plays - not terribly difficult ones at that - that would've salvaged a mess and allowed us to survive it.

And none of them did. Be it Jones or Hill or Kelce failing to make doable plays. Or Clark getting shut-out or Bolton falling victim in space or Mathieu being largely a non-factor. Be it Mahomes falling on his face on a bunch of different 3rd down plays that could've kept us afloat or Andy not changing the playcalls enough to keep us out of those situations.

It's arguably the worst loss of my lifetime because it was just so inexplicable. So many things had to fall apart simultaneously and all of them did.

This is a bad beat. This should hurt everyone involved for quite some time. I don't want any slogans next season. I don't want any 'tours' or predictions of 17-0. I want a team that takes a long, cold, sober look in the mirror and comes back ready to focus and win a championship.

Because for all the talk of the 'unprecedented feat' of hosting 4 straight Conference Championships - we have one Lombardi to show for it. And really I think we had the best team in the league 3 of those seasons. At a point this team needs to stop thinking 'dynasty' and start thinking 'lets not be the Packers or the Seahawks, fellas...'

And that's just going to take a back to the basics approach. They're going to have to prove themselves all over again and they need to approach everything they do over the coming months with just such a mindset.

Y'all ain't the bullies in the schoolyard anymore. You just got punched in the mouth and knocked the **** out. Conduct yourselves accordingly.

DJ's left nut 01-31-2022 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16121733)
This isn’t on Andy. Kelce was open and Patrick held onto the ball in a clean pocket. No idea what he was thinking

Everybody in the seats went into that snap thinking "Kelce over the middle - take this home..."

And everybody in the seats saw him break open.

It just didn't make any sense. Mahomes lost it. He was put in a position to succeed - several times - and he just wouldn't pull the trigger.

Mecca 01-31-2022 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16121743)
Everybody in the seats went into that snap thinking "Kelce over the middle - take this home..."

And everybody in the seats saw him break open.

It just didn't make any sense. Mahomes lost it. He was put in a position to succeed - several times - and he just wouldn't pull the trigger.

You know it's bad when casual fans think it was fake...My near 70 year old mom texted me that Patrick threw the game.

My social media is full of that talk.

dirk digler 01-31-2022 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16121733)
This isn’t on Andy. Kelce was open and Patrick held onto the ball in a clean pocket. No idea what he was thinking

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I think not throwing to Kelce or Pringle on the third-and-goal stripsack is going to haunt Mahomes all offseason. <a href="https://t.co/3Nh5Y2jHHd">pic.twitter.com/3Nh5Y2jHHd</a></p>&mdash; Bill Barnwell (@billbarnwell) <a href="https://twitter.com/billbarnwell/status/1488175687064244236?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 31, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

definitely should have thrown it to Kelce. Pringe was more iffy and probably didn't want a take a chance to get another tipped INT.


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