They can but that just perpetuates the dead money problem. They don’t have the cap to pay out big now whereas other teams do. It’s just adding more dead money

He’s always hurt and will command a big contract. No thanks.

Tyreek Hill, Chris Jones and Kendall Fuller will all command big contracts in the next year or two.

Would you rather spend $35 million on those 3 while drafting cheap players or pay big contract some broke dick FA’s?

$35 million is the cap number for 2018...not 2019. What's the point of having Hunt, Hill, Mahomes, Jones on rookie contracts if you arent going to take advantage of it....

Chris jones doesn’t deserve a big deal yet and fuller is an unknown in KC.

They’ll have plenty of money to pay those guys if they want in the future

After the Peters trade, we're left with the following guys from the 2015 class currently in the eligible window for contract extensions:

Morse
Conley
Nelson
RNR

Some okay players on the list, but nothing that really screams out to me that we need to get locked up early if possible.

And the more I think about it, the more we need to just let Morse walk next year. Injured too much, and his play has been too inconsistent from when he had his outstanding rookie campaign. People bitch about our inconsistent push in the run game and point to our guards so often, but it's just as much about Morse as it is them. I see Morse not being able to wall off on his run blocking too ****ing much.

Fulton is probably going to find a starting job somewhere, but he's not exactly going to make Andrew Norwell money. What if we re-signed him this year and spent money now on our future starting C at a reasonable price? It could work out decently. He's not all that awful as a C, and much better than he is a guard. Our line stays stabilized that way, and we don't have to go into 2019 spending a 2nd/3rd on a starting C replacement and dealing with the potential headache of a rookie C who might not know what the hell he's doing.

I tho k they like Morse and end up keeping him at center long term

Not sure it’s the way I’d go but I have a feeling that’s what they do

They're not letting Morse walk.

Tony Pauline says the chiefs have shown interest in Star lo.... whatever from Carolina

I’d def take him

6.5 sacks from a DT is really good. He was one of the better interior rushers last year.

No way you let that guy go

He’s been injury prone and inconsistent up to this point

I wouldn’t let him walk but I’m not in a hurry to sign him

Meh

Would much rather have him than spend money on Logan again

Did he tweet that? I’m not seeing it on his feed

Meh.

No pass rush upside. You could get run stuffers cheaper than Star.
Justin Ellis, Daquan Jones and even Mike Pennel could be value FA’s that would improve the run defense. Star is still living off his draft position.

Not sure just saw someone say he said it on Twitter

No clue if it’s true or not just a rumor I guess so I threw it in here

Big guys that have run support and pass rush aren’t gonna be in the chiefs range

They probably think they can coach some pass rush into him maybe

But that’s the kind of free agent the chiefs will have to target

Neither. I'd roll the dice with a hungry rook.

You’ve said this before and I’m not sure they have a choice but to do both

Shamar Stephen. Big DL who is an above average run stuffer and won’t cost much. Go get him Veach

I don't see why they can't just roll with a rookie

They don't have a lot of cap to bring in mediocre fatties.

Just from a numbers perspective if they cut Bailey that is, they’re gonna have to add and draft

Same thing at corner it seems and safety

The way Sutton runs dlineman into the ground before they even hit 27/28 years old is a huge concern on why you wouldnt want to give that guy 40/50/60 million

I don't think they are going to release Bailey.

After all the moves we know of, there's about 21 mil in space of Amerson stays on the roster to collect every bonus. Subtract around 5 for rookies and players to bring in during the year and they have around 16 to keep their own guys and bring in some new ones. Not much space.

Tamba has to go as well

I think they probably keep Bailey but that’s a lot of money

Nah Poe’s back is ****ed. That’s why he’s rundown

how do you think it got ****ed?

That’s bullshit. Didn’t he hurt his back in the offseason?

That figure includes Tamba going.

He played 2 straight years with a crazy amount of snaps then the back went

I doubt that’s s coincidence

Once Tamba goes I was seeing in the 30s?

You guys keep quoting this years cap space as if it is the end all be all.

KC has 82m in cap space for 2019 and will have well over 30 this year.

That’s a lot of space to sign with.

About 27.5. That's not including Amerson's weekly roster bonus, though.

That's neat, but a lot of teams with the cap space to pay players today and today is better than tomorrow unless you sign with the Raiders I guess.

The Chiefs are gonna struggle to compete for quality FA's.

He played a ton of snaps at Memphis, too.

It’s pure speculation. Sure it sounds good if you’re going to try to fit the narrative though.

Since the initial subject was Jones, we haven’t been doing that with him.

Jones only played 680 snaps on defense this year in all 16 games. Poe played over 800 when he was here.

It's not pure speculation.

Of course it sounds good because it's physically what happens to guys when they play a shit ton of snaps, especially big guys.

Why is this a big deal?

They haven't overplayed Jones snaps, but he's also been hurt and inconsistent at times.

Up to this point, I wouldn't feel very confident giving him a big contract

They've got quite a bit to do in terms of bringing guys in to even get to be competitive next year.

May not be a bad idea to have happen in the grand scheme of things but a down year next year looks to be a big possibility.

That what I was talking about...they can stagger contracts. $112 million sounds a little better than $30 million....KC can sign players this year.

Because he can't handle any more. 2 offseason in a row with maintenance related medical issues from wear and tear of the season and he's only 23. That is not good for his longevity no matter how you look at it. And there will be more wear and tear by the time he reaches his 2nd contract. Do you honestly feel good about giving a guy that can't hit 700 snaps and will need some sort of offseason medical program every year 50/60/70 million to play in Sutton's scheme?

They can't get to 30 this year without cutting Bailey as well.

They've got a shit load of dead money now, staggering deals just means more dead money down the road.

It's probably time to pay the piper and get the shit in order.

Staggering deals is how the cap got in the mess in the first place. Kept pushing back money and voiding deals to sign the veterans up front and here we are.

No more staggering deals on the backend especially the years that Tyreek, Hunt and Mahomes are up to cash in.

Wonder if the Browns would be interested in trading Shelton

Because no matter how good it sounds we don’t know for sure that’s why, and to suggest otherwise is foolish.

Logically, more stress and wear and tear is going to lead to issues.

Especially big dudes.

This isn't trying to fit a narrative. It's basic shit.

To suggest it played no part is pretty foolish as well.

That doesn't make any sense...You can sign players this year and stagger a bigger portion of those deals into 2019 ($82 Million) when the past dead money is almost gone. Berry made $3 million last year and $13 million this season.

Dead money comes from players who are no longer on the roster...I'm not saying push the money to the final years, I'm saying pay them with the excess when you have it. Chiefs dont have any superstars needing to be paid for a few years...

If he plays like last year yes I’d give him a new deal. If we got someone from this draft that is as talented, I’d consider letting him walk.

Injuries happen and Jones injuries have not been serious career threatening (ACL, Achilles, back).

Yeah, I get it.

But it's the same thing Dorsey did with these guys to cause the cap to be what it is now and the Chiefs to have to cut guys like they have.

It's not ideal. You don't know what your roster needs will be next year and if you have money tied up it gets tough.

AKA, this offseason.

Exactly. This is silly.

I'd worry about extending Jones after next season anyway so it doesn't really matter right now.

so Chris Jones is just having offseason knee scopes at 23 years old cause .......... for something to do?

Injuries happen is exactly how they got into the situation they are in with Justin Houston

Are you suggesting that Jones injuries are from wear and tear?

Like, Poe his first injury was in the offseaon when he wasn’t even practacing or anything. It might’ve even been a NFI IIRC.

The playoff game injury was a freak accident that happens all the time in the trenches.

Again, Jones isn’t playing a ridiculous amount of snaps so this makes no sense either way.

he had that scope in '17 which started him on the PUP for the summer

he now has his MCL tear or whatever suffered in the end of the year

If he has an issue every offseason from now until the end of year 5, it absolutely should be considered on if he is worth a LTD

Same reason I'd be hesitant to pay Bell big money in Pitt after they rode him into the ground this year.

Plus this years RB class is legit.

Yeah, it's not great that he's been having to rehab every offseason instead of actually getting stronger etc.

Hopefully that turns around for him.

If the Chiefs are going to stagger contracts or push money into next year, it's important to target young players that are more likely to be able to perform the life of the deal.

They've gotten ****ed on deals lately.

Justin Houston had a serious knee injury which his ACL was “loose” which needed more than a year long treatment and rehab.

Chris Jones MCL injury is a 2 month long recovery. It’s nowhere near as serious.

Guys have scopes and minor surgeries all the time in the NFL. It’s serious long term injuries like ACL/MCL/PCL (Parker Ehinger), Achilles (Eric Berry) and back (Dontari Poe) that should worry you. Those are serious long term rehab injuries.

FFS dude Chris Jones was already running a month after his surgery. LMAO

Its 2 straight offseasons where he's had injury issues though. Not necessarily the severity.

All of this. I’ve already seen Jones working out on IG.

That's not entirely true...Dorsey had a lot of inherited veteran players needing to get paid. Houston, Charles, Hali and DJ...while having a real QB contract to account for...

Berry is signed...so who else is due for a major contract?

It's definitely a cause for concern that a guy that young is already having scopes and surgeries.

Especially when discussing long term deals.

He kicked the can down the road on alot of deals and now the CHiefs are paying for it. They need to stop doing that.

Hali and DJ were already paid and obviously with hindsight, should have been walked away from instead of paying more for. Houston and Berry were the 2 contracts that were the issue.

Not many of the big deals he gave out worked out very well. Alex is probably the best one and saying that probably wont go over well here.

They dont have anyone, now...they are kicking down the road except Houston....and they get out of it in 2 years...right about the time Hill/Hunt need extensions...

I was against the Berry deal...from a pragmatic standpoint as was Dorsey. Now KC has a $13 million dollar safety with a bum Achilles...he lasted all of 3 quarters of football after getting signed. He is a hero in Chiefland...but not a very good investment.

players at 22/23 years old in their 2nd and 3rd year of their NFL career having knee surgeries is not something that happens "all the time" in the NFL.

I absolutely believed KC should have given Houston the big deal he received. He was only 26 with no real injury history and was the best all-around 3-4 OLB in the NFL. You give that contract to that level of player every single time expecting he will continue that for at least the next 5 seasons.

The contracts I didn't agree with were DJ, Hali, and Berry. DJ was losing a step when he got his last contract extension. Hali lost a step before he got his. Berry was more of a money issue after the previous two dipshit moves than it was anything. However, he had already missed significant portions of 2 seasons and he received a contract as the best safety in the league while several other safeties in the league were outplaying him. I get his leadership, but he's now missed 3 seasons of his 7.

There's a fine line between paying for what a guy has done and what he will do in the future. I'd rather the Chiefs pay back-ended deals to guys with potential that they can get out of than to hand older players their final paydays.

I hated the Berry deal too but if we wanted to keep him, there was no way around paying him that much. I mean it seemed like Dorsey was trying hard to sign him for less that $13M per season but Berry wouldn't budge at all.

Houston was overpaid too but it was always to be if you signed the guy after a 22 sack season. I think tagging him would have been the best thing and then giving him the contract the following year.

We should have given Berry and Houston their deals before they actually got them. Only thing I reject about the situations.

Nothing they had to prove, but Dorsey was careless.

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Not sure how or why Houston is being brought up as this glorious example of being cautious with extensions when it comes to players with an injury history. Houston didn't really have one to speak of before his extension.

The horrific injury that has sidelined him for the better part of 1.5 years can't be chalked up or even correlated to any kind of injury history. And you can say all you want that he's not at all the same player that he once was, but that's only because in the one full season in which he was mostly healthy, Bob ****ing Sutton let the opposing offenses dictate when Houston would rush or when he would drop into coverage.

Was he worth the contract he signed? Of course ****ing not. But if you're going to claim that we should have seen it coming, that's kind of bullshit. Sure, you can claim $100 million wasn't right because he just wasn't going to ever replicate 22 sacks again, but the injury he had was not predictable.

thats not at all what the claim was so you wrote a big giant paragraph for nothing

Okay.

So are you suggesting that the Chiefs should just never extend any superstar player who will need that much money because injuries happen? I guess I don't really see your point if you're not using Justin Houston as a cautionary tale.

I am suggesting the Chiefs should use caution when extending Chris Jones or signing Kyle Fuller to 10+ million. Citing Houston and Berry pre-injury isn't the example (though there is an argument for Berry) but citing their injuries during the life of their long term extension is, as the Chiefs are now stuck with them and their contracts provide zero flexibility. I get it they didn't have a choice but for players with injury flags they DO have a choice before giving them 10+ per over 4 or 5 years.

Reggie Ragland
Parker Ehinger
Carson Wentz
DeShaun Watson
Jack Mewhort
Allen Robinson
Teddy Bridgewater
Travis Kelce
Dalvin Cook

That’s off the top of my head. Lot more Knee injuries are happening these days, and yes even in college.

I don’t care about this injury unless Jones doesn’t look the same or continues to have injuries every year.

now how many of them had injuries in back 2 back offseasons like Jones.

Why does that matter? Are you implying that arthroscopic knee surgery and a torn MCL, are as serious as a torn ACL?

I agree that it’s worrisome that he had knee surgery in consecutive years, but I have a hard time believing his career is suddenly going downhill bc of 2 relatively minor injuries compared to an ACL (or ACL+PCL/MCL).

If he plays well the next 2 years injury free, would you give him an extension?

I don’t think anyone is saying that, but at this point( I wouldn’t be interested in a long term deal

I remember playing devil's advocate when that deal was in the works...I was coming from the angle that trading him for 2 first round picks and allocating the extra funds into multiple players. That way if an injury does happen, you dont have all you financial "eggs" in one basket...

Mega-deals never seem to really pay off...of course had KC traded Houston, his knee would never have been blown out by Parker...and he would probably still be a perennial all-pro....and the fans would be pissed off.

If he plays the next two season without any sort of offseason surgery then yes; he's definitely worth a 2nd contract. But I don't think they can wait two full seasons to extend him or they will have Dorsey'd themselves (This was Dorsey's go to move, wait on extensions and then have no leverage and get bent over backwards by agents)

He's an interesting case because he's a 2nd round pick, they lose that 5th year of control (which is why I think 1sts are so valuable now, you get 5 years of control and 6th if you franchise tag.) Jones could very easily walk after year 4 or they would have to tag him.

He could very well be worn into the ground by then thanks to King Sutton's terrible scheme so this is all moot. But he will still only be like 25 by the time he's a FA which is crazy young to see your 2nd deal these days. But this will be year 3 so I think if they are going to get a jump on an extension that is the best bang for the buck for the team, it would be sometime during this upcoming season.

Jags are keeping Marquis Lee. Sounds like they’ll let Robinson hit the market