Extension. Look up the meaning.

It is now a 4 year $141MM deal. Easy math for you, it's $35/yr average.

This makes it an even better deal as it's truly a $33MM/yr deal.

Meanwhile KC pays $12 million to a 255lbs man from Ohio who has more playoff passing touchdowns than Derek Carr in his career

Still riding that high huh bud?

Joke of a contract

Who would that be? I see a guy you describe tied with Carr in playoff passes.

Didn’t realize Carr threw 1

Oh well, Kelce has to settle for a tie

He was already under contract on the previous deal. It's immaterial to the extension.

So yeah - 'extension' is the operative term here and y'all just gave a mediocre QB a $40+ million/season extension.

Have fun with that...

Raiders have been so pathetic on D for Carr's entire career it's amazing he has any playoff appearances.

Of course that stupid injury against Indy in 16 likely screwed him out of at least 2 playoff games.

4th best quarterback in the division. Love it!!

Mahomes was a Dee Ford offsides away from the Super Bowl with one of the worst defenses in the league.

Please elaborate and educate me on how this is such a great deal for your franchise

Not gonna do the Broncos or Chargers any favors in 2-3 years when they have to start talking extension with their guy...

The Raiders are just out to rat-**** the whole division with these awful contracts that re-set the markets. But hey, glad to see them pushing all-in with a team that's gonna win 8-10 games and go home in the 1st round.

That's a real can-do attitude.

Yup.

Big QB salary to an slightly above average QB and no first rd draft picks the next 2 years puts you way behind.

More like 1-2 years. Wilson is on the last year of his contract next year at $27 million, doubtful he plays at that amount.

Herbert is extension eligible after this season and LA probably should look into extending him sooner than later, contract will only get more expensive the longer they wait.

They don’t have a 1st next year?

Yeah they do.

They don't have a 1st or 2nd this year.

Yea, I was like what am I forgetting.

I think the Broncos and Chargers will be paying their QB’s next Spring. Broncos for sure won’t let Wilson play on a contract year without a new deal and I’d imagine that the Chargers won’t let their QB go into a 5th year option without a new deal.

So really the Broncos and Raiders losing picks and having to pay new QB deals really puts them behind.

DCFS!

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That’s why having an average to above-average QB kills teams. He isn’t bad but he isn’t good enough.

Colts were smart enough to realize that Wentz wasn’t bad but he’d never get them to the promised land.

Faiders ****ed themselves.


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I can tell you guys believe this whole "Derek Carr: Elite" thing by how hard y'all are working to convince 'us' of it.

Like I said - y'all have fun with this one.

Because it's so extremely rare to see a fanbase try to talk themselves into overpaying for an average QB and then try to convince yourselves that he's a championship caliber guy. And when they do, it ALWAYS works out for them. Every time.

It's crazy...

Awesome Carr stats 57-70 0-1 playoffs

Division Titles 0

Hater? Far from it! I love Derek Carr!

Keep paying that mediocre Alex Smith wannabe!

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The Faders had no reason to do this, they could have waited for him to choke at the end of the season again for a discaount.

Really desperate move by Soup Bowl Haircut.

Still waiting on your reply bitch

I know trying to explain actual football concepts to some of you is fruitless, but I'll give it a go anyway.

Guess which QB is dead last in having their defense give up the most points allowed since Carr came into the league? Any other QB have an MVP level performance, and then have their HC insist on replacing the OC with a totally unproven guy who then proceeds to totally **** up the offense?

Also, only Chiefs fans have a low opinion of Carr. About 20 teams in the NFL would kill to get Carr as their QB, and another 4-5 would be pleased to trade their starter for Carr.

Paying a top 10 QB $33MM/yr average for the next three years is an amazing deal for the Raiders. Leaves them with the flexibility to extend our good young players, and secures a QB that we couldn't replace and expect anything close to the same productivity.

Every argument y'all make about Carr equally applies to Stafford. Carr is just as good, if not better than Stafford and Carr now has the weapons needed to maximize his abilities.

Raiders Defense is much improved with the moves we've made so far.

ROFL

Carr has never not thrown a TD to a WR, and he had some terrible WR's to throw to in some years.

Look how that turned out for Bosa to end the year. We bashed his QB a few times and he folded until garbage time, then vanished in OT.

How delusional are you?

I'll give Carr credit regarding being a top 16 qb; but he can't touch Stafford; he's easily top 10...

You're bordering the realm of insanity...

Quit while you're behind

The defense argument is BS. Mahomes has had below average to terrible defenses in all four seasons as a starter and has never not won the division or reached overtime of the AFC title game. Really good QBs elevate their team to wins and playoff success without perfect situations around them.

Look, Carr is adequate. He’s fine. Kirk Cousins is fine. A lot of teams would love to have Kirk Cousins (though I’m not sure why) just like a lot of incompetent franchises would like to have Derek Carr over their shit QB that can’t even sell a minimum amount of tickets. But Derek Carr level QB play doesn’t win (“win” as in playoff games, not week 5 regular season games) unless you have an elite D and elite o-line/running game. Derek Carr has put the Raiders in QB purgatory for 8 years now, and the fan base simply puts blinders on to the truth that everything needs to be perfect for him to win because he isn’t good enough to elevate less than perfect rosters. Again, Derek Carr is fine. He’s not bad. He’s MUCH more Kirk Cousins that Matt Stafford. Both fool their fan bases into thinking they can win with something less than elite D and elite o-line/running game.

KC liked Alex Smith. He was fine. He could put up pretty good numbers and rack up some good regular season win totals. But unlike the Raiders’ front office/fan base, KC’s recognized that he wasn’t good enough to win anything without complete perfection around him, which isn’t realistically attainable. Good franchises are realistic about this and move on to try to find a guy who elevates.

Enjoy the next couple years of purgatory before the next roster tear-down!


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The sad thing is you think what we just gave Carr is "elite" QB money. It's above average QB money, and while he's sitting around 7th best paid right now, as other guys get their extensions, he'll quickly drop to below 10th highest paid.

I don't see anyone stating Carr is elite. I certainly have not. He is a top 10 QB, which just isn't an elite guy. He is good enough to win with though if the supporting cast is good. Our skill players around Carr are the best in the division, and it isn't even close.

Our defense, on paper anyway, has drastically improved this off season. Especially if Graham lives up to his billing at DC.

Carr isn’t good enough to win (again, playoff games and beyond) with a “good” supporting cast. He needs elite, just like many other QBs need to win anything of significance. And no, a team with a bottom half o-line and middle of pack defense (despite two good pass rushers, though one old/declining) does not even come close to sufficing for what Carr needs, even with a very good set of weapons.


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He's not top 10 bud, but he's far from garbage...

He's just not worth the expense...

Best of luck 👍

That "Average" QB comment cracks me up

Well, I admire the way Carr said that he only wanted to be a Raider. He told his agent that he did not want to play for anybody else. He said if that were to be the case, then he would just go play golf. Shows he's committed to that team. I think he's going to have a really good year. He's got a lot of weapons and I doubt Josh McDaniels is the same coach that he was in Dungver Hope so, but I don't think that's going to be the case.

Not true. Drew Brees missed the playoffs at one point with the Saints four out of five years because his defense was bottom three in the league. Rodgers also has a losing record with defenses ranked 20th or lower.

Mahomes had a bad defense in 2018 (24th in points, 31st in yards, and 8th in turnovers),
In 2019, he had a good defense (hence the Super Bowl): (7th in points, 17th in yards, and 10th in turnovers)
2020: solid defense: (10th in points, 16th in yards, 10th in turnovers)
2021: Top ten in the two most important categories: (8th in points, 27th in yards, and 5th in turnovers)

48 out of 56 Super Bowl winners have had top 10 scoring defenses. Mahomes has had three such defenses in his career. Carr hasn't had a single defense finished better than 20th in that category!

The only bad defense Mahomes has had was the 2018 defense. And he had to post an all-time year to overcome that farce. Even then, it was still 8th in turnovers.

Carr has only ONCE had a defense finish top 10 in any category (#2 in turnovers in 2016).

Raiders PPG Allowed Rankings since Derek Carr was drafted

2014 32nd
2015 22nd
2016 20th
2017 20th
2018 32nd
2019 24th
2020 30th
2021 26th

No wonder, I am depressed! :shake:

Misleading stats. Of course the defense gives up more points. They're on the field more because of the sheer amount of Carr turnovers, as referenced but the above image a few posts up.

And as far as "comebacks", you realize he would have to be down a lot to get numbers like those. Quality quarterbacks aren't down enough to lead the league in comebacks. They lead the league in wins instead.

So you've reached the third stage of grief here, eh? Wait...are we still in the first stage? Is this bargaining or denial?

Well whatever it is, you're now in the 'talking ourselves into the "fanbase try to talk themselves into overpaying for an average QB and then try to convince yourselves that he's a championship caliber guy" stage.

Because you just did it in a single paragraph.

Is your guy an elite QB? Not by your own admission. So will you be winning a championship with him? No you will not. Because in this league at this time, you are NOT winning a championship with a guy you go into the season conceding simply isn't an elite quarterback. You're especially not doing it when he's the 4th best QB in your division.

But like I said - I've been here. Everyone on this board has been here. "If we just give Alex more weapons" or "If we just give Cassel more time". Hell, "If we just give Trent Green a better defense..."

Sorry to state and sad to report that no, Derek Carr is not good enough to win with. Unless you mean win 11 games and lose in the playoffs.

I like having Carr in the division. He's the NFL's version of a "pinata". Smack him around a few times and he starts coughing up interceptions, fumbles and sacks like candy.

This extension doesn't really move the meter for me in any way so that tells me this is pretty meh all around.

You can find some arguments supporting him (a lot of his efficiency stats and numbers are right around the 8th-14th best QB mark while his defenses have been legitimately trash) and many that don't (leading the league in turnovers, folding under pressure, etc.).

He is probably somewhere around the 10th-15th QB in the league and certainly the worst in the division so this doesn't scare me much. I will say he's got a lot of firepower now, though, with Adams, Waller, Renfrow and that other dude, #89, #88? He seems decent.

You Crack me up, you're a stand up comedian in my book...

Or drug addict for that matter...

There aren’t many QB’s that have the benefit of playing for a franchise with such low bars. To be in the league as long as he has now with a 57-70 overall record (with so many last place schedules along the way even) with only 20 of those wins coming against winning teams is amazing. I’m sure a lot of the other average-shitty QB’s like Baker and Wentz wanted to fire their agents after the deal Carr just signed.

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Derek Carr cap hits:
2022: 19.3M
2023: 34.8M, 5.6M dead
2024: 43.8M, 3.7M dead
2025: 43.1M, 1.8M dead

Carr has a no trade clause but if he doesn’t want to be traded the #Raiders can easily cut him after this season or anytime past

Not really, the Raiders Defense is actually not on the field as much as you would think. from 2003 - the 2020 season this team has been gashed. When a team is in the redzone in 5 plays you are not going to win regardless who the QB is

He's the Raiders version of Chargers Philip Rivers only gay (nttawwt)

Derek Carr doesn't use eyeliner he uses Gayliner

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Well at least he knows how to keep his wife in check.

Godly man with a beautiful family
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Of course he does. Checking things down is his specialty. Carr isn't good enough for most fans to even give a shit about him, let alone his wife.

Mahomes is just too famous that everyone in his orbit gets pullled into it.

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That one kid already has a receding hairline and the token Carr ****ed up face. Wouldn't call them a beautiful family. A family, sure, but not a beautiful one.

Damn dude. You going as low as picking on a 7 year old's hair line? :huh:

In reality he probably has a better hairline then most of us on here.

I would have kept my mouth shut, but I'm not the one that called him beautiful. I'm just setting the record straight, that's all.

Kid in the lower right making the same face I make when Derek throws the ball away on 4th down and game or when he throws short of the end zone on the last play of the playoffs or when he fumbles before contact in self preservation mode........same face kid, I feel ya

;)

maybe but atleast he runs onto the field like a man would :thumb:

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That was manly that time but show me the sugar in
the britches trot he uses most of the time

Derek Carr sacks himself

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to the little one with the scrunched up face

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Are you ****ing reeruned?

You're equating crowd entrances to manliness?

I bet you're a big "wrestling" fan

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Pussy

The woman in the picture (not sure if that’s his wife or his mom) didn’t even bother to shower or get her hair done for the photo. Talk about ****ing white trash. Brittany would be lit up by the media if she showed up to a photo-op like that.

Chuckie was here

Derek is doing better than Dak. Cowboys in running for Murray

According to who?

Skip Bayless?

Please point me in the right direction and I'll eagerly await watching the footage of this idea

Click baits, I didn't open

LMAO

Those rankings mean absolutely dick.

ikr, they pick you all to win the Superbowl every year and every year except 1 you choke.