All three!!!

The hell happened here...

yep maybe one that can call a game
and manage a clock
dorsey was not the problem

I wonder if something happened in regards to the still unsigned franchise QB contract

Just another day on the planet...

Yeah, I'm not reading all of these posts to see where it is, but I'm not happy.

There's a story here. I want to know it.

I wonder if Clark is going to sift through the pages of CP before he looks internal or external for a replacement

I give Dorsey credit for Sean Smith but all the others are jags that got coached up.
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Hmmm

What the shit? What's going on with Hunt? Dorsey has been one of the better GM's in the league since he got here, why cut him loose now after you just drafted your supposed QBOTF?

Clark had Mahomes kick a few soccer balls around and that was enough for Clark

Word on sirius radio is that Fat Andy made a power play. They finished the discussion by saying that Reid did this in Philadelphia also and we all know how that ended up. Reid truly believes he's smarter than everyone.

Rich ≠ smart

That's laughable. Sirius radio? Get the hell out with that shit. The thought that Andy walked up to Clark and gave him some type ultimatum is ridiculous.

Terez is the man to trust. He thinks it was mainly about Dorsey wanting just good old too much money. The negotiations went bad so Clark let him walk with pay. Something went south for certain but Andy would not try something so stupid that certainly would put him in an NFL shit list.

God, if Hunt cut him loose over money...

I know, effing money. As if he can't afford it.

A football coach would not try to gain power over his GM?

What?!

I mean, I'm not saying the alternative is wrong, but that's a story we've seen a million times. It's far from unrealistic.

I'm more skeptical it was simply a financial move. Dorsey was doing a ****ing great job and Clark has NOT been apprehensive to spend money since he became owner. Bad decisions? Yes! Bold expensive moves? Andy Reid wasn't cheap. Pioli was highly sought regardless of how awful he was. I'm VERY skeptical, and would be enormously disappointed to find out it was true.

It is an incestuous league as most "industries" are and people talk thus I am sure when Clark had his suspicions confirmed catching Dorsey playing footsie under the table behind closed doors with GB after he probably told Hunt he has never talked with GB was the deciding factor. Just my theory. The key here was lying to Hunt when rumors were flying.

The real question here is how will itl effect the morale of the team if at all??

Honestly probably little to nothing. The players play for Andy not John. They all love playing for Andy

Every time Andy is typed it should change to Big Red when posted

You are probably right. Good GMs are not relational with the players and shouldn't be IMHO.

What does Richie Cunningham know about NFL football ???

That would be helpful.

Has there ever been a first round, top ten trade, where neither GM involved was around by training camp before?

Dead money from KC by year since Dorsey got here:...along with the big reasons for the dead money.

2013

19m

Cassel 4
Winston 3
Breason 3
Dorsey 2.7
Boss 1.2
Moeaki 1

Can't fault Dorsey for the housecleaning that needed to happen.

2014

9.4

Flowers 3.25
Dunta Robinson 2m gimme a break
Baldwin 1
Succor .8

Dorsey restructured Flowers deal then cut him a year later and waited till after June 1st to do so. Also took a hit for Dunta Robinson, who was DONE in Atlanta before he got here.

2015

21.5m

Bowe 9 ----spent every dime on weed n sonic
Flowers (dead money split June 1st cut) 4m
Fasano 2.25 wtf
Walker 2 wtf
Succop 1 (dead money split)
Mays 1 wtf
Avery .5

2016

14.1m

Grubbs 5 what a joke of a signing
Hali 4 extremely poor handling of his contract caused this dead money and then Dorsey handed him another big contract...
Fanaika 1.2...how did we give this guy a dime?
Davis .4

2017

9m

4.2 Howard 1 year after signing
2.4 Maclin 2 years after signing AND lost a third rounder for signing him...and will have more dead money next year for him.
.75 mauga
.6 Keivare Russel ...in the third round

That's a pretty bad track record with dead money.

That's 73m in dead money since Dorsey got here.

LMAO...good ole ****a Robinson.

His dreads dough

Plus another 4.8 next year for maclin and whatever dead money for cutting or trading Alex

Yeah, a few months back or so. Dorsey kinda laughed it off and said KC is his home, hoped to be lucky enough to spend the rest of his career in KC, see his kids graduate school in KC, etc, .

No

****ing classic

No owner fires a John Dorsey because he made a few mistakes.

He's fired because he doesn't make a solid commitment to said Franchise.

Aloha, Johnny.

Few mistakes? 78 mil in dead money is more than just a few mistakes.

If there is a part of Dorsey that wants the Green Bay job, and Clark can see that a little, it makes a lot of sense. That is where it could have been mutual.

I agree. Cap problems had to have a little to do with it. Timing is crazy though. To pay a guy not to work is weird.

If the contract extensions and cap problems combined with releasing Maclin the main reasons for letting him go, are those even good reasons?

Going against the Hunt doctrine has it's consequences.

Morning all!!

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Don't give a **** about the dead money. There is not one team that has come close to drafting as well as the Chiefs or finding value in FA and that is the lifeblood of this league.

3 all pro's-Kelce, Hill, Peters
1 double digit sack artist-Ford
2 really good line players-Morse/Ford

Eric Berry and Justin Houston aren't things Dorsey should be blamed for. Houston bet on himself and got 20+ sacks. Berry isn't getting paid much more than he would have been if he got paid a year prior.

Here's a newsflash: the roster is STACKED. Of course the cap is tight. Seriously FFS.
You ****ing want good mother****ing financial decisions?!?!

How much did Jaye Howard, Ron Parker and Spencer Ware cost when they got here? How much do Tyreek Hill, Marcus Peters, Terrance Mitchell, Dee Ford, Chris Jones and Mitch Morse cost this year?

Andy was ****ing horrific in this area. His 2005, 2006, 2010 and 2011 drafts were horrible.
Just ****ing admit it. Dorsey and Ballard were huge losses.

LMAO

Like anything Clark has done since becoming owner has shown $ is a concern for him.

He just ate a year of Dorsey's contract FFS.

You're a real piece of shit

You just hanging around to troll now?

If any one move proves Clark is not his dad, this was it.

Lamar was loyal to fault, Clark obviously has certain standards and if you dont meet them, see ya.

According to Rapoport, it seems like a contract issue b/w he and Clark. Guess he was wanting more than Hunt wanted to offer.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-networ...ohn-Dorsey-now

Stop all the nonsense about Reid taking over football operations and player personnel etc...

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt...157737484.html

Go ahead, blame me. The subtext, and usually explicit text, of every post about the team for the past 6 months or so has been, 'iffy territory, but it's OK because Dorsey's in charge.' The playoff wet fart, the draft moves, the roster cuts, . . . all of it. OK, because Dorsey's 'got this.'

So fate had to go and make put that foundational premise to the test.

So now it's time for pure unadulterated hope. I can't rationally argue that anything is going to go well for a good long while, but I can hope. Foolish as it is.

This is bigger than losing DT, or Roaf retiring, IMO.

I think it has more to do with Dorsey wanting an out to go to GB if the job opened up.

A few million a year isn't going to cause Clark to flip.

Said it for decades now.
THERE'S NO SALARY CAP ON MANAGEMENT!!

Clark LMAO

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I don't think there was a power struggle or it was solely about money.There's been speculation for quite some time that Dorsey would someday return to Green Bay, so I wouldn't be a bit surprised that could be the case. Especially if the rumors of closed door meetings with the Packers are true. Clark was well within his rights to let him go if there was even a whiff of that kind of noise.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I&#39;m still tripping about what happened in Kansas City today with the GM. More I chew on it, doesn&#39;t smell right. Hard to believe.</p>&mdash; Mike McCartney (@MikeMcCartney7) <a href="https://twitter.com/MikeMcCartney7/status/878086574210154497">June 23, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Neil...my Intel supports your point. I&#39;ve admittedly overreacted to the spin myself, but I heard from the inside it was 100% a money issue.</p>&mdash; Angry Scouting Vet (@AngryScout) <a href="https://twitter.com/AngryScout/status/878185094153814016">June 23, 2017</a></blockquote>
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I don't think it's a money issue. But if it were, god help Clark Hunt for the shortsightedness and stupidity of such a move.

What happened to franchise, brah? Oh, you decided to wake the **** up and pull the foot out of your mouth?
Good for you!

Everyone, EVERYONE associated with the league and the sporting press are absolutely floored by this move. This is a 100% "what in thee **** are these people thinking"(?)-move. And rightly so.
There's no way to spin out of it; this is a BAD decision.

hehe

Are mediocre qbs franchise qbs now?

Give him a break; it's very hard to manage so much vitriol and keep everything in its place.

LMAO

If Reid was not okay with it, he wouldn't have signed his contract. Either Reid wanted Dorsey gone or did not care much he was leaving. And regardless of the real reason(s) Dorsey was fired, that is still a huge deal.

Still not seeing the upside from this move.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">They&#39;ll do real interviews. But <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash">#Chiefs</a> co-director of player personnel Brett Veach is the name to watch <a href="https://t.co/rqD5GlxhIA">https://t.co/rqD5GlxhIA</a></p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/878223799220449280">June 23, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Maybe Dorsey stole Reid's leftovers from the fridge?



Who am I kidding...Reid doesn't believe in leftovers.

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I think it's a huge loss, too.

Just trying to understand why it happened when everything seemed to be going so well with the organization.

Hopefully, he's replaced with a top notch candidate.

What top notch candidate on earth is clamoring for this position?

Haha are you kidding me?

Any personnel guy in the league would love this job.

Top 5 roster with few holes
Top 5 HC that develops talent as well as anyone
Ownership willing to write huge checks to manage cap
Solid starting QB and a QBOTF
One of the youngest rosters in the league

Because we are the Chiefs

Except the owner won't pay you if you do a good job

I could see Dorsey going to INDY because who wouldn't want put a team around Andrew Luck after getting his own winning lottery lucky ticket with Mahomes II?


I don't know the situation in INDY as we speak but they haven't done a good job after their gift from the football Gods of 1.1 Andrew Luck. He has no team around him.


disclaimer:If not Green Bay

We just sent Ballard to Indy to be their GM. They don't need 2

We're not going after a big name. Andy Reid runs the show and that makes the job unappealing to up and coming outsiders. We'll promote Veach, as we should for continuity purposes. At this point, we just have to hope Reid really is that good at building an organization.

We don't know that to be the case.

Oh yeah I forgot.

He didn't have a problem paying Pioli, Reid, Dorsey out the gate and eating a year of Dorsey's contract and several years of Pioli's.

If its a $ issue then you have to believe Dorsey was wanting something unreasonable and Clark has a limit on what he thinks a GM is worth in comparison to what he has working there now like Veach.

Dorsey deserved a blank check.

Yep. I'm betting Clark wanted assurances for a long term deal and Dorsey wanted an "OUT" just in case something in GB presented itself. Rather than deal with it next year before the draft, or later down the line, Clark cut ties now.

You mean like the yes man coaches that Smellway hires exclusively?

In this clip rap states the Chiefs have the BEST 53 man roster in the NFL. Damn!!!!

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...e-to-part-ways

That's my gut feeling as well. I don't know much about him, but I assume he will have two tasks, be a yes man and play the part of Andy's whipping boy.

THIS

Clark wanted full commitment. Dorsey wanted to wait and see.

That's fine and reasonable. But that is something you check on BEFORE Ballard leaves, not months after.