Looked identical to me. Literally.

Again, knowledgeable football viewers know that Foles will air it out against bad teams but will crumble against Good defenses. Smith is a proven product in the playoffs, Foles has no experience.

Common sense, use it.

Smith had been aggressive and taking shots downfield since the Oakland game.

Maybe not as much as Foles, but certainly far more than he ever has here in KC.

Alex is the starter if he's healthy, and I don't see that changing. As long as he continues to take as many shots as he has lately, he's the better all around quarterback.

At least we've won several games with Smith against good defenses before, which is all the playoffs is. I haven't seen that from Foles, so, that's a tough move to make.

Just for the record, I have been updating my avatar and details weekly after the game based on what the result has been. I'm hopeful Alex is able to play next week and starts for us with no further injuries this season. Dude needs to get the **** down faster though. He's our best option at QB right now.

I got banned from this thread for posting that Carr had more passing yards yesterday than anyone or any team in the history of the afc west? Seriously?

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2014...Mark Sanchez QB rating 88,: Foles 82.
That's with cooper, McCoy, Jordan Matthews, Ertz, AND Jeremy Maclin. He had 13tds on 10 picks.


And you guys want him as a full time starter, even after the mess he made in St Louis??

This is as illogical as last year when people wanted Daniels and Murray to get the job.

And he still can't hang when the big boys come to town on defense...

Cry more, maybe mommy will come to your rescue

Throws of 15 or more yards

Foles-4/7 132 yards TD
Alex-0/4 0 yards

And how so many people think otherwise boggles me. We are talking about a guy who was given up on by two teams and received a personal favor by Reid as sympathy to help restart his career since he drafted him. I still think Smith had 2 of the 3 best throws yesterday... The 3rd and 17 throw hit in stride to kelce and the Maclin TD.

Props to Foles finding the open guys yesterday, has a nice pocket to make progressions

Your account woulda been nuked on the Minge. Oh and you leave out the part you were spam trolling threads with it ROFL

What Foles did yesterday must worry you.

Jesus. You literally asked for it dude. See you in a week. Or not. No one here really gives a shit anyways, but hey! You just fell on your sword. :deevee:

With the way Foles holds onto the ball too long, Denver would strip sack him twice, if not more in a full 4 quarter game.

But most don't consider these things when just watching the Colts defense.

He's an awesome backup, maybe the best. But he is not better for this team to win than Smith.

Alex does the same damn thing man. Come on

They are in full defend mode. Logical discussion is futile at this point.

Foles is a chucker. I like it and it looks good in games like this.

I think he's a good fit in this system.

I also think smith is better right now.

Alex sometimes tucks and runs too soon. He doesn't sit in the pocket too long.

Now, sometimes that's unfortunate, but is there any doubt who's going to turn it over more times in a big playoff game?

If you go into New England and turn it over, you will lose, 100/100 times.

Smith is better at the short passes where Foles is better at the deep passes. What I'd like to know is whether or not Reid called the same exact plays for Foles that he did for Smith.

Yes he ****ing does dude. Schwartz has been bashed here bc he "gives up so many sacks" but it's Alex holding onto the ball forever.
We saw this in the SD, HOU and PIT game.

The reason Alex gets the ball out quickly is play design. Screens, crossing routes, out routes. Foles did the same thing in Philly.

If I had to guess it's the same plays.

There's no doubt that with Foles you are going to see more deep passes, and more completed by default. But, you're also going to see far more turnovers and mental errors.

With our defense, I'll take Smith in January given that he has a proven playoff track record of playing well.

Fixed that for yah.

Smith doesn't hold it though, he just leaves too quick sometimes

How many turnovers and mental errors did he have yesterday? That one pass to West where he could have put a little more touch on it?

How many passes has Smith sailed over the WRs/RBs/TEs heads? There were more of those yesterday than Foles mental errors.

Foles played better yesterday, but that's the kind of defense that plays into his hand. He can sit back there all day and let his weapons shred that atrocious Indy secondary. He will do it against Jacksonville, too, if given the chance.

But what will he do when he's in Denver? New England? That's what I fear.

Alex's big thing is his legs. He made plays scrambling but that hasn't happened this year.
So you're taking away his scrambling and the only thing Alex is better than Foles at is accuracy in the first 20 yards.

Look at what Foles did in Philly with competent coaching in 2013?

Andy's QB system is very plug-n-play. Screens, intermediate passes and running the ball. To be fair, Alex has done a MUCH better job throwing accurate passes downfield this year, but Foles did that well yesterday.

I think that with this coaching and talent, Foles could look more like 2013 Foles than any other version.

It's a spot where stats are misleading. FOLES wasn't really that curate with deep shots yesterday but you don't always have to be THAT precise there.

The deep ball to hill was pretty underthrown, the td to hill has a good throw but on busted coverage.

A nice deep out to Kelce and the td to Kelce were legit throws.

Other than that, did he really do much smith wouldn't have.

What defense plays into Smith's hand?

1 TD to the flat and 2 INT's vs Denver..

If Foles gives them the best chance to win a Super Bowl, he should play...

But as of now, I don't think that's the case

The most important part is we have TWO better guys than they do in Pile High

Yes , he took the top off the defense. Colts were forced to play the whole field.

That's a great question.

And you could see that difference when Smith was in the game. When Smith was in....there was less running room because the defense knew that he wasn't going deep. He gets knocked out....and all of a sudden the defense has to respect Foles to Hill.

Smith went deep twice in the first series.

I think the gameplan called for attacking a weak Colts secondary. And just last week Smith went deep to Hill despite Hill not having space when the ball was thrown so it's hard to say that teams wouldn't respect the potential of a downfield throw to Hill.

I just don't see any reason to believe that Smith wouldn't have tried those passes or had the exact same results. The first ball was poorly thrown and the second was a layup.

That deep ball to Hill looked like a punt. It was a lucky reception against a horrible defense. He calmed down after that. His rocket cannon he calls an arm gets me hard, but there was room for improvement for Foles yesterday. Knocking the dust off will probably only improve him.

The Broncos, IMO. The Raiders. Teams that can get pressure while sending 4.

Those are the kinds of tight, tough games where your QB needs to have great situational awareness, be careful with the football and know where/when the smallest of holes will open up for them.

Against those caliber defenses, you're not going to score 28 so you have to know how to get to 17 intelligently and without doing anything to make it harder on your defense in the process.

Foles is going to have better games against bad defenses than Smith would because those are in his wheelhouse. If he has time and there is a lot of space to work with, he'll attack (as is his preference) and he'll shred teams. But if the time and space isn't there....he's going to attack anyway and get us burned pretty badly. And having less mobility than Smith will hurt us as well.

When has Smith shown that mobility this year though?

And I get what you're saying about Smith....but to me...he hasn't looked the same this year.

Smith 0-4 throwing deeper than 15 yds

I think his longest completion was 13 yds

Smiths accuracy on deep balls hasn't been good. There's no reason to believe the exact same results would be there. They both bring different things to the table. Just a matter of even looking downfield...it seems lIke alex is going so fast through progressions he hits the most safe pass more...which can be a good thing.

Lots of talk about how horrible the Indy defense is and it being a major reason that Foles played as well as he did. Yet, no discussion on how horrible the Saints defense is in comparison to Smith's play in that game.

Yup, but his downfield accuracy has been somewhat better the last 3 weeks. I think Alex is starting to trend down. This could be the beginning of his decline.

I have been a little surprised at some of the throws that Alex has attempted in the past couple weeks. Throws that I would never have thought he would have even attempted in the past. Yes, most have been incomplete, but he was attempting them.

Excellent post.

Keep winning, however you have to do it.

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One thing is for sure:

Tiger turned into Clay after Foles started to play well. He talked about how opposing quarterbacks against the Indy defense had a qb rating of 101 or something.

Like I said, we know Alex's ceiling and floor. We have a pretty good idea that Foles' floor is decidedly much worse than Alex's, but cannot say the same for his ceiling.

Foles is a better and more willing downfield passer; there's not much argument there.

But let's not act like the first deep ball that Foles completed was worth a shit (it wasn't; that was a terribad throw) or the second one wasn't one that Cassel couldn't have completed. Smith has made several throws tougher than that one recently.

I think it's more likely than not that both of those plays have similar results. On the first two deep balls that Alex threw, the Colts DB actually had good coverage. He didn't mis-fire on the throws, the defender just made the play. As has been noted, he was pretty sharp before the first hit. His strikes to Kelce were perfectly on time and hit Kelce in stride. On the 2 deep throws in question that that Foles made, one was blown coverage and on the other the throw may honestly have been too poor to be defended; he underthrew Hill by 5 yards there.

And let's not act like Smith has repeatedly not seen the open WRs throughout his career.

And I'm just fine with that.

Wish Alex had Foles arm strength and just a little more confidence. Well that would give us the most underrated QB in football right now...Marriotta.

I'm thinking if he soaks his head in Epsom Salt and warm water - he'll be a go next week!!

Nick Foles -or- Tom Petty??
 

What a fantastic avatar.

Smith's a progression robot. He's going to throw to the first guy in his progression that's open.

With at fast as that ball came out to Hill, don't you think he was the first read? Let's face it, stuff like that still requires a bit of luck. Had the first read been to Foles right and that guy breaks open, the ball would've come out (that's just the way the WCO works) and the blown coverage means nothing. But because the first read was to the left, that thing blowing open was obvious and the ball comes out.

And Foles missed a similarly easy throw to Conley that turned a long TD into a 20 yarder. Foles has never been known for laser-like precision so sure, it may have been some rust, but he's also just not a remarkably precise passer and you'll get misses like that.

Against shit teams, that's gonna be fine. Against a team where they're actually...I dunno...covering your WRs, that's going to get you in a lot of trouble quickly.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens this weekend. I think some of the throws that he missed were rust and some of them were just how Foles is as a passer. I don't even know if Smith is going to play this weekend or not. I'm almost for them holding him out because the Jaguars aren't that tough of an opponent. Foles should be able to pull out a win.

I'm w/ Pete - my bigger concern is w/ Ware - Hoping he doesn't miss two weeks, somehow.

I agree; keep Smith out.

And I'm not closing the book on Foles being better, but he'd have to have developed quite a bit over the last couple of years. I thought he was a lot of fool's gold even in his elite season. He's shown far more bad than good as an NFL passer, IMO. I have a hard time convincing myself that a guy that couldn't keep his job over Case Keenum is now capable of leading a super bowl caliber offense against quality defenses.

Is he just a poor man's Carr? My worry is that he plays well against a Jags team that's looking to quit. In the process, he doesn't actually do anything to answer that question but suddenly there will be real grumblings in KC about the QB situation. If we make the change and it turns out he's a paper tiger that gets beat up by good defenses, we may be too far down the road to reverse course.

Best case scenario is that Smith just comes back healthy and plays like he did for the last half of last season (or the last half of 2013).

This is true, generally how these pass progressions work on 5 or 7 step drops is the first read is always one of the outside WRs. Normally you put your fastest guys on the left side (Hence Hill seeing a lot of action that side).

For example when Kelce runs that drag/cross from Right to Left it is open because the Left WR is normally running a Go or a Post and clears out.

I think it is clear that Foles likes to use the progression properly where as Alex tends to cheat and is already hunting the intermediate route which means he is quicker to the check down.

When do you think we'll know if Ware will be fine? By Wed or so?

Reid's WCO doesn't send WRs on go routes that frequently. It's a horizontal offense.

If Smith were ignoring progressions, Reid would've benched him. He doesn't like guys dicking with his offense. He loves Smith precisely because he stays within the scheme.

I don't think they can even do the last stage of the protocol until Friday. Honestly, I don't remember.

Don't expect him back this week, though. Think of the concussions we've had over the last 3 seasons; I think Abdullah is the only one that came back the following week and a couple of weeks later he was out again. Morse and LDT both missed multiple games, IIRC.

I think both Ware and Smith are out this week.

Grr.. Okay well thanks.

Ware had a video of himself last night after the game,seemed to be ok. I'd be surprised if he's not back this week.

Yes and no

On the Quick game/3 Step game yes you are right.

However on 5 and 7 step you have to have at least 1 guy normally 2 challenging the deep part of the field and clearing out corners.

Main problem is Andy likes his Quick game too much.

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This x 10

Well, the chiefs trainer just said they don't feel smith has a concussion at all so I'm guessing he'll play this week

I was thinking he'd go see Doc. Andrews. ROFL

He's a nice person. :clap: thanks.

It's the ONLY question

This summarizes it for all the dummies https://mobile.twitter.com/ChiefsRep...43166517911552

You only start Foles when Smith cant play.
Foles is destined to be a back up.....only.

Not sure that's a fair characterization. Seems more Foles wanted to be the guy, with at least an opportunity a commitment from the franchise, and Keenum was willing to be the temporary placeholder for the Goff inevitability.

@:11 - the way he says 'grey teem wihhh' Dude made the most of his time in Baton Rouge. :thumb:

That's what you call Louisiana Regional 'talk to toddler like big boy/girl' Patois.

Glad Andy squashed that bug before it possibly reached the headlines as a 'controversy'...

Alex is going to step back in and run the offense successfully as we gear up for the long run..

For the Foles lovers, take some solace in the fact that his performance yesterday at least puts some pressure on Smith to continue to push the ball down field and play well..

In the end, I want the Chiefs to win no matter who the quarterback is.

I feel Alex falls into a habit of playing too conservatively and this is problematic in today's NFL. I feel this habit is exacerbated by Reid's style of play.

Case in point: There was absolutely no reason for us to take a 6 minute drive against New England when we were down 14. We had to have a sense of urgency. Reid and Andy's unwillingness to take shots has repeatedly cost them in big games (see Reid's past playoff performances for reference). This tendency by both Alex & Andy is why I worry that we've reached our ceiling in the playoffs. I know some like to point to Denver as being an example of how this style can succeed, but Sutton has not shown that he's willing to engage in the aggressive style of play that Phillips is, though our defense is more than capable.

It was refreshing to see a Chiefs quarterback be willing to take real shots down the field. Alex is capable of the same thing (see Week 1) and hopefully Foles' performance lights a fire under him to be more aggressive downfield.

Ignore, no. Miss progressions, yes. The read's he was missing earlier in the year, he is throwing now. 1v1 press with no safety help, he is throwing and trusting the receiver to make a play. The horizontal concepts that everyone on this board hates, he is throwing the vertical that levels off of it. Andy loves hi/lo reads and when alex has the protection to go through the progressions, good things happen. Those pick plays for Kelce where also killer yesterday.