It doesn't mean much. Basketball is a drop in the bucket on the overall landscape of college athletics. Football drives the bus.

That said, Kansas has 1 championship in the last 20+ years. Let's not put them up there with Duke, North Carolina, and Kentucky in terms of overall standing.

You sound bitter. And extremely basketball-centric.

There's no reason to be nasty about it, BC. Kansas would be just as thrilled at the opportunity if they were in the mix.

Yeah, most schools suffer athletically after getting tens of millions of dollars pumped into their coffers. Nobody wants to play for a school with top of the line facilities, especially when they have to play all of their games on television.

Also, you claim we're the Big XII whipping boy now... and we'll be the Big 10 whipping boy if/when we join them. So, there's nothing to lose and a lot to gain, right?

I doubt my bitterness or KU's bitterness has anything to do with it. I think it has much more to do with Mizzou getting passed over for the Orange Bowl, and somebody somewhere (Lew Perkins?) getting Iowa State a more lucrative football bowl than Mizzou.

Alden is getting tired of getting out-maneuvered by every other AD in the Big 12, so he's gonna take the Mizzou ball and go play in another backyard. Why would I be bitter? KU will be fine, and will continue to compete for National Championships in basketball, and will be competitive in football. The rest is of little consequence.

That's a Kansas fan for you. They think that basketball matters.

Let's put it this way: There is no such thing as a "basketball school" that has a solid football program. Every school with a solid football program is a "football school". "Basketball school" is just another way of saying that your football team sucks.

Ask Florida if they are a "basketball school". Ask Ohio State if they are a "basketball school". Ask Texas or Tennessee or Oklahoma or any other school who has had success in both sports if they are "basketball schools", and you'll get laughed out of the room.

You do realize that you will lose pretty much all exposure to Texas kids who happen to be your driving force, right?

If those things had never happened, and the offer was made... Mizzou would still be stupid to pass it up.

And then, of course, you have schools who are "whichever sport finishes in the top 6 in conference school". Please, let's not start measuring dicks here because yours will be much smaller. LMAO

You honestly think the Houston Bowl is the reason MU's going to the Big 10?

Re-read what you just wrote. Then re-read this thread and all the facts contained therein.

You think MU is leaving for the Big 10 and the tens of millions of dollars that move will yield then because of a couple of Bowl games?

A fan of the squad that just underwent a national embarassment in firing its football coach is calling out MU for "being out-maneuvered by every AD in the Big 12" and then claims not to be bitter.

Be honest - you wish it were you. You'd be ecstatic if KU got an invite.

Chin up, Beaker.

Missouri is the "whipping boy" in the Big XII, but Kansas is "competitive in football".

October 10 Iowa State W 41-36 (1-0)
October 17 at Colorado L 34-30 (1-1)
October 24 Oklahoma L 35-13 (1-2)
October 31 at Texas Tech L 42-21 (1-3)
November 7 at Kansas St L 17-10 (1-4)
November 14 Nebraska L 31-17 (1-5)
November 21 at No. 3 Texas L 51-20 (1-6)
November 28 vs. Missouri L 41-39 (1-7)

We won't get exposure when every game is televised?

LMAO

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. UK has been pretty much IRRELEVANT for the last 12 years. They hired Calipari and came back to prominence last year. UNC just got done playing in the ****ing NIT (yes, they have 2 NC's in the past 5 years, talk to me in 2013 to see if KU will have matched that). Duke has been pretty solid but was also teetering on the edge of obscurity until this year.

Either you're a football school, or you're a ping-pong school. Unless you're Duke and have 5 NCs in the past 20 years or whatever they have, it really doesn't matter.

:facepalm:

It's not going to be televised in Texas you stupid ****ing monkey. Where do you think the Big 10 Network is shown?

You don't see coaches leave North Carolina, Duke, or Kentucky for greener pastures in college basketball.

You'd think a big bad football power like Mizzou would have better luck against KU than a coin flip.

You can purchase the Big 10 Network in any market in the country. Gary Pinkel can walk into the living room of any player in Texas and tell them that their parents can watch every game they play in HD. EVERY GAME

If MU wants to get exposure by physically playing in the state of Texas, they can schedule games there in the non-conference. As it is, North schools only play in Texas about once or twice a year anyway. That shouldn't be too hard to replicate.

Oh goodness, what a low blow. A KU coach went home and now all of a sudden KU is not a basketball blue blood. You realize you sound like a complete ****ing dumbass in your every post, right?

Meh, a national following doesn't matter that much if you're not broadcasting on a national basis like NBC, but at least you are admitting there's more to the equation than TV markets. And there will still be interest in the Big XII in the KC area with KU and KSU right there as well, I don't see that as a complete loss.


I completely agree, and I never said they wouldn't miss them. But it won't screw them, it will take a defection from second north team for that to happen. That's when shit hits the fan.

Yup, they'll probably take a step backward.

At the same time, they'll have an absolute stranglehold on the KC area and get an even bigger leg up in STL.

Pinkel built his programs around TX kids when he was getting his feet under him, but lets not ignore how many major recruits he's scored from MO recently.

Maclin was a MO kid, Washington is, Christopher, Coffman, Ricks, Rucker, Franklin, Moore, Kemp, Aldon Smith -- all Missouri guys.

Weatherspoon and Alexander were from Texas, but they were two-star guys. You really think MU couldn't go keep going into Texas and grabbing 2-star guys to play for a Big-10 squad? Of course Daniel and Franklin are from Texas, but Pinkel now has a national rep for a QB friendly offense -- Pinkel will still be fine at QB.

They may take a short step back, but it's overblown. MU isn't anywhere near as dependant on TX talent as the KC heads claim.

Well sure. And then there's the real world. LMAO

Keep the positive vibes going, KU fans. You're better than us in every. single. way. Really.

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Two quotes from billay (of all people) summed things up pretty nicely.

When it was just Mizzou being mentioned, he said, "See ya, bundle of stickss."

Then when it was Nebraska and Mizzou, it was, "See ya Big XII bundle of stickss."

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I love how KU fans are lining up to talk about the move that is rocking the entire college sports world and trying to say that Mizzou isn't desirable.

The future of Kansas athletics over at least the next decade will have more to do with what MU does than what KU does. I guess I'd be bitter too if the shoe was on the other foot.

You're free to talk about Kansas in any thread you please. There's got to be one about your one win in the Big XII in last year's football season. Oh wait. You're a basketball school. Isn't there a thread where you can discuss your one win in the tournament last year?

I can agree with all that to an extent. Texas still produces the most talent in the country and even after the Longhorns are done picking the creme de la creme, there's probably more talent left over than in any other state to begin with. I agree that MU will have complete dominance of their state, but think Pinkel has already achieved all that. Another beneficial thing is that MU can easily hang with everyone except for tOSU (and maybe Michigan) in that conference.

And Pinkel's roots are in Ohio, IIRC.

No, I would say you have bigger TV markets and your football program is in a much better shape even though you don't have anything to show for it quite yet. You will, though.

I feel pretty certain KU will be just fine whether MU stays or goes. I care a whole lot more about losing Nebraska.

See, now you're making sense. How is that any worse than being stuck under Texas and OU?

Kentucky wasn't irrelevant for 12 years. They had a few bad years from 06-09 when they didn't win the SEC or make it to the sweet 16 and actually missed the tournament in 09. They did win the SEC four times and the SEC tournament four more times from 99-05 as well as making the sweet 16 3 times and the elite eight 3 times.

Yeah, Roy went back to NC to spend some time with his dad before he kicked, and KU wins another National Championship with the coach Mizzou passed over in favor of Quinn Snyder.

Basketball is important to Mizzou... so long as they aren't comparing Mizzou basketball to KU basketball.

Mizzou football is an absolute juggernaut compared to KU... slightly better than half the time.

And they have a fine journalism school.

I don't think you have been reading any of my posts. I have never said that MU leaving is a bad thing for MU. I've been saying the complete opposite from the very beginning.

Nothing? Well, nothing particularly impressive. That much is true.

Did you suddenly forget about basketball?

1. Duke 35-5
2. Purdue 29-6
3. Michigan State 28-9
4. Ohio State 29-8
5. Kansas State 29-8
6. Villanova 25-8
7. Pittsburgh 25-9
8. Washington 26-10
9. Missouri 23-11
10. Florida 21-13

Hey! Did anyone realize that KU is pretty good at basketball?

Last I checked, KU went 5-0 against that bunch.

Particularly solid win over MSU in the tournament. Wait.

That's only because Northern Iowa isn't good enough to be ranked.

33-3?

What is this? I don't even.

Fox Sports realized it. In fact, besides Kansas State and Missouri, they think Kansas is supposed to be the best basketball team in the bi-state area this year.

84-65

77-56

It's way too early for basketball rankings considering that football season is still 4 months away. Hell, it's way too early for football rankings.

You forgot one: 67-69

Pretty sure our team became better than either one of those after we landed the #1 overall recruit (according to Rivals). Actually, I think we would be the B12 champions even without him. Matter of fact, after Anderson runs out of friends and family to recruit from, he'll probably go back to his usual recruiting form.

Good guesses. The score was actually 69-67, NIU.

Edit: Damn it. Too slow.

There's one advantage of being a Kansas fan. You don't have to worry about people talking about how high your football team is ranked too early.

I didn't forget anything. I was just showing you overwhelming evidence that the KU team was superior to MU in basketball last year.

Well, no shit.

Just to get this straight, are you suggesting that MU is a football school?

Did Kansas sign him after May 11th? If so, you could be right.

If not, maybe you can be Mountain West or WAC champs in 2012.

How'd KU do against Mizzou? Yeah, that's what I thought...

I'm done for the night. Heading up stairs to lick cheesecake off my wife's nipples. Saul, you just go ahead and continue your little game of mental masturbation. I promise I won't interrupt you. G'night.

Did you buy some NIU shirts? I love how your pride comes from some other team beating your rival since the best your team could do was barely stay within 20 points. Well, at least in ONE of the two games. LOL.

Rumors out of the Big 10 meetings were that if KU reached the Final Four last season, the conference was going to extend the invitation to Kansas instead of Missouri.

Damn. Sooooooo close.

Pride?

Here I thought I was mocking the hyper-focus that KU fans place on basketball when the potential move for Mizzou is about so much more than a single sport or even sport more generally.

I'm saying that football is what counts. Basketball is a nice diversion, but it's not football.

Nah, I think we'll be taking our 8th straight next year. Not too worried about it. Even without Selby, KU has a better team than MU. Not so sure about K-State though, would've been pretty close.

MU is an academic school.

80% of my shirts are UNI shirts.

For this single upcoming year, this would be very, very arguable. On the whole, there is no real comparison between the programs, I agree.

Nah, academic schools are the ones that don't give out scholarships to athletes for being physically gifted.

I wasn't talking to you when I said that.

exactly it is more about academics than sports and apparently according to the Big Ten Missouri is better than KU. Honestly is there a big 12 school that is worse academically besides maybe OSU and ISU?

I heard that the Big 10 wanted them if they could just make the Sweet 16 in basketball or finish in the to 10 in the conference in football.

I believe he is pointing out that college football generates a lot more revenue than basketball does.

Um, ok.

Regards,

Duke et al.

LMAO Good times.

I'll give you credit for not jumping completely off the cliff then.

If you had suggested otherwise, your sanity would have come into question.

I wasn't talking to you.
:)

Kansas State. Texas Tech.

And, to be honest, Mizzou, Kansas, and Nebraska are indeed comparable academic institutions, but there is a difference. And I listed them in top-down order.

Unless you get a game changer like Beasley/Rose/Wall/Durant, getting a top 10-15 recruit won't do that much to your team overall in their first year.

Lots of kansas fans don't really care about KU's academics because they are so well known and popular nationally, like North Carolina and Duke. Problem is this move is all about who is better academically and tv markets and not which school's team was better last year.

fyp

It seemed like you made a general statement with that post. While in mine, I was directly talking to a specific poster as evident by me referring to him as "you".

:)

I meant to say because a portion of them are simply sports fans of the school and don't have an academic connection

Yeah, it's a heated rivalry.

What we're getting now is, "Seriously? THEM!?!? F those guys, we're much better than them!!"

It's all about tv markets. Yep. That's why the Big 10 is looking at Nebraska. It's New York in the East, Los Angeles in the West, and the rest is all about Omaha.

et al? You just named the exception to the rule. True academic schools are Ivy League or too small to afford sports teams.