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And I thought Tebow was a stupid pick. I mean, at the very least, we at least have need for a QB, or TE, or FB.

He has a second round grade.... Philly was going to pick him if we didn't... I don't hate it... He can return kicks, play the slot he's a versatile guy

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I mentioned this in the draft thread, but McCluster's speed score (40 time relative to his size) was the worst of any player at the combine this year, and the best player who had a speed score similar to his in NFL history was Aaron Stecker.

We drafted Aaron ****ing Stecker.

Bullshit, if you have watched him play, he is ****ing quick as hell and can bust the big play... Philly wanted him with the very next pick so obviously he can play

Unfortunately, due to the confluence of this thread, this pick, and my visceral reaction, he'll never be able to take the field, regardless of his skills, without me thinking 'butthole pleasures.'

Is Pioli forgiven if Clausen floats to #50?

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Yeah, because it's not like Philly ever traded a 1st round pick for Jason Peters, drafted Winston Justice, or burned firsts on Freddie Mitchell, Corey Simon, and Jerome McDougle.

I feel like I was just the recipient of felched sap from the AIDS tree.

Breathe.


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How about you try actually watching the guy ****ing play, he is a damn good player I'm happy that we added another offensive weapon

FWIW, almost everyone ran .15 seconds faster at their Pro Day.

I want to be acknowledged in this thread...


this 2nd round makes me want to f-ing puke...

In the spirit of the draft, figured I'd get this thread ready.

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers have become a quality team in a short period of time. But they also have had a significant quantity of off-field incidents.

The latest comes from defensive end Alex Magee, who was arrested on Monday for possession of marijuana and for driving with an expired tag of greater than six months, according to Victoria Lim of Bright House Sports Network, via JoeBucsFan.com.

Magee was traded by the Chiefs to the Buccaneers in 2010. He’s the tenth member of the organization to be arrested since January 10, 2010.

Magee had a chance to be a very good player, it's a real shame that he couldn't put it all together.

That draft class all hinges on next years play from Cassel and Jackson to see if it truly was an all time poor class, or a passable one.

Good thing Magee got busted before they got a new CBA in place. [/sarcasm]


Maybe he and Talib can form a support group.

A sweet ****ing thread absolutely worth revisiting. My dear sweet Tebow in Heaven:

The hate that flowed on that horrible, unholy day...

Majestic, and STILL worth raging against.

Cassel, Vrabel, and Jackson:

What...

a ****ing....

DISASTER.

MFUSP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

this thread is just bullshit hindsight man. nobody knew that jackson would be struggling. we should give jackson 3 or 4 more years to pan out.

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My favorite part is when we took/kept two 4-3 DE's from Lazy Shit University and set about plugging star-shapes into the hole receptacle.

It's been serviceable, but it's not keeping up with our secondary.

God, SO MUCH Cassel/Pioli FAIL in this thread.

He should've taken Clay Mathews. What a dumbass Pioli is.

Don't people realize that Sanchez is just a piggy-backer? Now that ultra-stud Matt Cassel on the other hand has NEVER had to rely on defense or acts of God to get KC a win!
Nope, when KC wins, just lift both hands to the sky like you're at a Christian pop concert and SCREAM "CASSOLI"!!!!!!

Herp, derp.

Im right there with you. **** Scott. he needs to go.

I have to hand it to Scott. He definitely knows how to make a classic shit sandwich.

This,Pioli Haley the Patriot way all need to get the **** out

Just remember that Hamas was hating Rot Peeholey before it was cool to hate Rot Peeholey.

This thread is reeruned. Why would we draft a qb when we have cassel?

I forgot how ****ing horrible CP was that year. I am glad I got away from it for awhile, it was realy bad.

Sanchez is ass too.

We got blown out again last night, and Tyler Palko threw 3 interceptions, yet Cassel was exposed as being the weak link on offense. Palko's performance reinforced the idea that Cassel completely lacks the mental tools that Pioli told us all he had in spades.

Last night's game against Pioli's old team effectively ends the Todd Haley / Matt Cassel chapter, which is nothing more than 3 wasted years on a terrible QB. One of them is for sure gone, and if it is the combination of firing Haley and keeping Cassel, then there are bleak days ahead. Not that Haley is a great coach, but if Pioli blames Haley for Cassel's failure, then **** Pioli.

Given the game plan last night, it seems pretty clear to me that all the talk off chaos behind the scenes between Pioli and Haley is TRUE, and it all almost certainly revolves around Haley's correct assessment that Pioli's anointed Golden Child can't think on his feet well enough to play QB in this league.

I'm still waiting on that apology, shitheads...

Spot On Post

Indeed... He just gained rep for his early dislike of the man. :thumb:

OK, that made me laugh. Rep!!!

LMAO

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For Hamas, since he can't bitch about Daboll.

Man I wish Hamas were posting tonight. What a ****ing embarrassment.

Pioli is on the fast track to becoming more hated than King Carl.

becoming? Shit, he is already there for me.

Me, too.

He sickens me.

And I wasn't feeling all that great before.

FAX

In 3+ years he's managed to compress the hatred we developed for Carl over his last 10 seasons into one neat little ball of ****.

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Don't speak for me dumb shit.

I'll bet you $500 the Chiefs never advance to an AFC Championship game under Scott Pioli.

Pssst. Not to hurt your feelings or anything but you're pretty much regarded as a welcher.

I'm not new mother****er.

Yep! I've hit that level & now it's just starting on the verge of Elway hate. Wich is on a level in of it's own.

Sounds like you're a big pussy.

Heh. Nah. I'm guessing he only bets with honorable people. Besides, that's a sucker bet. The Chiefs have seen all of 4 AFC Championship games in 40+ years.

How prophetic.

What happened? Is this because he said the qb competition is open? Isn't that, like, good? As far as 2009 Sanchez equaled Cassel. Only Stafford would have been a difference maker and you weren't getting him. They were 2-14. They went 7-9 after winning a division with their best players all tearing their ACL's at the same time. If they aren't 11-5 next year I would call it a fail but not yet. I would keep Orton and shoot Cassel.

Ummmm, they hired Da Ball as OC.

Calling out someone as a pussy? ROFL

Are we still on a 5 year plan?

60 yr plan...

Likewise.

Carl Peterson simply outlived his usefulness. It's the whole 'die a hero or become the villain' thing.

Ego Mc****stick, on the other hand, never had any usefulness. He's been nothing but a damaging shitheel for his entire time here. This franchise is no more respected league/nation-wide than the 2-14 joke he took over. At least most people understood that the 2-14 squad was rebuilding (and managed to develop a hell of a lot of talent in the process).

Carl took over a moribund franchise, turned them around immediately and raised expectations to a level he was never able to live up to. He created the "Arrowhead experience". He just never got over the hump and eventually started to believe some of his own hype. Absolute power corrupted and we turned on him. He reached the limit of his utility - a good, but not great general manager.

Pioli, OTOH, isn't worth a shit. Hasn't ever been worth a shit and hasn't done a thing for this franchise. Unlike Peterson who is the reason many of us believe the Chiefs deserve more, Pioli's done nothing but hurt this franchise from day 1.

As much as it pains me, because I want this team to be succesful so bad, I agree with DJ.


Now if this offseason goes well I will likely change my tune, but Pioli has had more headscratchers here than good moves.

It seems to me that most of his decisions are made based on the logic that I'll show you that I know more about football than you do.

There's something for your treadmill, Scott. Hope you've warmed up those chair-throwing arms.

I actually don't agree, much as I can't stand Pioli. He's built a pretty solid team without dipping into the piggy bank very much. What's amazing is that while he seems to be very good at evaluating talent, his ego and attitude are making those good moves not matter.

If he wasn't so obsessed with coaches from the Parcells tree and could admit he was wrong on the QB decision, this team would be very good. And it should be a fireable offense if the story is true that he was so vindictive of Haley that he refused to surround him with quality free agents. A guy who would rather watch the team struggle than be proven wrong... that's a really, really bad sign.

Solid team?

What are you basing this on?

Here are the guys he's brought in that you could even argue were good/great picks/acquisitions:

Berry
Asomoah
Hudson
Baldwin
Houston
Arenas
Moeaki

7 guys.

Berry was a no-brainer.

Arenas is a good NCB, but terrible value with that pick.

Moeaki is exactly what most thought he was - fragile.

The rest are guys that you're assuming are going to be good based on a limited number of snaps.

7 guys. In three years.

Out of hundreds of transactions.

7.

Guys.

Technically, you're agreeing with his left nut.

I'd add to that list: Belcher, Breaston, Lewis, Succop, and as much as where he was taken has make it impossible for most to consider him, Jackson is becoming a solid 3-4 DE. Teams have taken players like Jackson in the 1st round, just in the bottom half, but still they aren't busts.

There has been a lot of turn over, and I'll say Pioli has already had two drafts that would rank in the Peterson top five.

Hundreds of transactions? Yeah, probably over the last 5 years there are hundreds. And for every 10, 4 pan out, and that's when things are working.

Terrific pick-ups
1. Berry
2. Asomoah
3. Houston
4. Breaston -- even if it was Haley's guy, it was a huge pick-up

Quality starters
1. Tyson Jackson (our best d-lineman last year by a mile)
2. Tony Moeaki (terrific player when healthy)
3. Jovan Belcher (much better than fans give him credit for)
4. Javier Arenas (terrific return guy, very solid player at an underrated position)

Borderline starters / Quality depth
1. Kendrick Lewis -- could play much better next to Berry next year
2. Travis Daniels -- I think one of the most underrated players on our roster

Wait and see--could have potential
1. Baldwin
2. Hudson -- I think he'll be a terrific starter next year
3. McCluster -- right now, a reach. But toward the end of the season, may have flashed that he was starting to get it.
Tentative -- Powe. Hasn't flashed anything yet, but I liked the pick anyway.

Solid enough stopgaps -- not world-beaters, but solid enough to start until a replacement is found
1. Wiegmann
2. Thomas Jones
3. Lilja

Getting 12+ players who play a significant role on the roster in 3 years is a pretty solid track record, considering that the only two players they gave big contracts to were Cassel and Steve Breaston (and you can hardly even call Breaston's contract "big.")

I don't have time to get into this, but you're severely overrating some of these guys.

Thomas Jones is "solid enough?" The guy gassed out in the second half of 2010. He was completely useless in 2011. However, the so-called positives do not cancel out the main negative: Matt Cassel. This is Pioli's boy. This is Pioli's interpretation of a franchise QB. That is a massive FAIL by Pioli and should be fired because of it.

Nope, he nailed it. The only thing I would change is Travis Daniels..

Everyone keeps saying this but they can't name one person who would have done anything better than Cassel.

The 3 stopgaps I brought up because they were solid enough to start. Not bad, not good. Average at best. But fine because they didn't cost anything and they are only here until we find a replacement. Jones is one of those guys. He was certainly serviceable in his time here.

But as I mentioned before, those good moves were balanced out by enormous mistakes made not by error in judgement, as much as it was driven by ego. I'd be okay with the Cassel move, if he admitted the mistake and moved on. I'd be okay with the Haley firing, if not for the fact that he was willing to sabotage Haley, even if that came at the team's expense. And worst thing is, I don't feel like this is ever going to change.

Any QB that can accurately throw farther than 10 yards for starters.

Shouldn't be hard to throw out a name then. You've got 3 years of names to pick through.

There are a million and a half backups they could have and should have brought in at virtually no cost. Putting all your eggs into the basket of "if Cassel gets injured, we're ****ed" is not a good strategy.

And I don't care if we whiffed on a QB. Or even if we only used a 2nd or 3rd round pick. Don't wait until the third year to bring legit QB competition. In 2010, the Chiefs should have at least drafted a young, raw prospect to develop on the bench.

The point isn't that they whiffed on some great QB. The point is that in 3 years, they didn't even try to bring in anyone who could possibly compete with Cassel.

I still believe Daniels is one of the most underrated guys on our roster. We got him for pennies. There have been games where Flowers has missed time and Daniels looked really solid. He's a really solid depth guy to have. You can never have too many corners.