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bricks 01-08-2018 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 13344798)
There’s a zero percent chance I’m trading Peters. Advocating for this is some nonsense. The chiefs need more passionate defensive players.

I agree with blowfish. I’d trade him.

I’d rather have a more well rounded corner. Give me a guy that could cover, tackle, has exceptional ball skills and is not a head case.

The Bad Guy 01-08-2018 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by bricks (Post 13345119)
I agree with blowfish. I’d trade him.

I’d rather have a more well rounded corner. Give me a guy that could cover, tackle, has exceptional ball skills and is not a head case.

You make it sound so easy. Basically give me a flawless corner so I can trade my young stud who can mature for someone else.

No freaking chance. The defense needs more Marcus Peters.

Best22 01-08-2018 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by bricks (Post 13345119)
I agree with blowfish. I’d trade him.

I’d rather have a more well rounded corner. Give me a guy that could cover, tackle, has exceptional ball skills and is not a head case.

Good luck finding one in the draft

I'd rather use that draft pick on a young pass rusher or other elite front 7 player. Peters has looked like his old self since his suspension and I commend him for going back to what worked for him. If he plays with that fire he has shown since the Chargers game he is a keeper for life


And I'm a guy who felt he was mentally slacking off this year and strongly disagrees with kneeling.

The Bad Guy 01-08-2018 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Northman (Post 13344804)
Any scoops/rumblings at 1 Arrowhead Drive Bad Guy? Or are you out of the loop with your Chiefs intel?

I hope a certain coordinator is getting axed for a start....

I haven’t gotten any intel in about 4 years.

TEX 01-08-2018 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Best22 (Post 13345157)
Good luck finding one in the draft

I'd rather use that draft pick on a young pass rusher or other elite front 7 player. Peters has looked like his old self since his suspension and I commend him for going back to what worked for him. If he plays with that fire he has shown since the Chargers game he is a keeper for life


And I'm a guy who felt he was mentally slacking off this year and strongly disagrees with kneeling.

I'm there as well. Keep Peters.

Mecca 01-08-2018 09:12 AM

I think we should trade Peters so instead of just getting torched on one side of the field it can be both.

Sassy Squatch 01-08-2018 09:14 AM

Peters is the one who tried to put the whole city on his back going for that strip and score in the clutch, and he damn near pulled it off. **** anything to do with getting rid of him.

otherstar 01-08-2018 09:21 AM

Thanks George. I'm actually glad I got called by the ex to help her with a project rather than watch the game.

gblowfish 01-08-2018 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 13344798)
There’s a zero percent chance I’m trading Peters. Advocating for this is some nonsense. The chiefs need more passionate defensive players.

I can see both sides of this issue. The pro's for Peters are, he's still young. He is a ball hawk, and can flip a game for you. That is a rare commodity, so rare in fact, that if we did trade him I'd accept nothing less than a first rounder.

The cons are, he does not tackle in run support. He makes "business decisions." He is insubordinate and does not take coaching. He is irrationally emotional and has as great of an opportunity to flip a game negatively as positively because of his lack of maturity and restraint under adversity. He is also a potential locker room cancer, much like Larry Johnson was during his prime years here.

The only saving grace if they keep him is, Eric Berry has shown the ability to keep Peters focused and somewhat in check. When Berry has been out, Peters has been a loose cannon.

As I've said all year, The Peters Givith, The Peters Taketh Away. He's perhaps the most bi-polar player the Chiefs have had since Dale Carter.

gblowfish 01-08-2018 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by splatbass (Post 13344359)
None of us know what Hunt does in private.

I'll bet on Sunday he went to his safe room at home in Dallas and took a treasure bath!

Marcellus 01-08-2018 09:48 AM

Nice work George but I'm not near as doom and gloom as you are about next season.

Not sure why you say Buffalo will be laughing all the way to the podium with our pick? From what I have seen in Mahomes so far its looks like he will be well worth the 2 1st round picks.

Also I think using the 2 1st rounders on a QB in the draft kind of flies in the face of Hunt doesn't care about winning narrative.

We need to fix the defense and fire Sutton but we are in pretty good shape talent and $ wise if we are smart this off season.

Veach is going to be key to this off season.

Sassy Squatch 01-08-2018 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 13345274)
I can see both sides of this issue. The pro's for Peters are, he's still young. He is a ball hawk, and can flip a game for you. That is a rare commodity, so rare in fact, that if we did trade him I'd accept nothing less than a first rounder.

The cons are, he does not tackle in run support. He makes "business decisions." He is insubordinate and does not take coaching. He is irrationally emotional and has as great of an opportunity to flip a game negatively as positively because of his lack of maturity and restraint under adversity. He is also a potential locker room cancer, much like Larry Johnson was during his prime years here.

The only saving grace if they keep him is, Eric Berry has shown the ability to keep Peters focused and somewhat in check. When Berry has been out, Peters has been a loose cannon.

As I've said all year, The Peters Givith, The Peters Taketh Away. He's perhaps the most bi-polar player the Chiefs have had since Dale Carter.

Ill take a guy like Peters who cares too damn much over all the other slaptastic pieces of shit that played in our secondary this year.

bricks 01-08-2018 09:48 AM

Peters value is at a premium right now; with him the defense still sucks but is in need of a major overhaul.

What difference does it make if we keep him provided that the defense still sucks? They’re still gonna suck anyway provided that they keep Sutton. Peters is only one guy. One piece to the puzzle that isn’t even as important compared to other areas of the defense like def coordinator, pass rusher, etc.

The message is quite simple defense needs a rebuild and at this point in time it’s about getting our priorities in order. They could trade Peters and maybe get a 1st rounder for him? That would be excellent value and I’d do it in a heartbeat if it means getting a top pass rusher through the draft. Even if we can’t find a better corner to replace him, we could still get excellent value for him in return and address other important areas of the defense. Jmo.

*Besides we shouldn’t even be thinking about keeping Peters at this point. We should be thinking about stripping this whole defense down and rebuilding it from the bottom up. We just have to rebuild there and in order to do that, we need the best possible value by getting the best draft pick possible or trying to as many draft picks as possible. You want good value? You need to give up something to get something good in return. That’s how it goes sometimes. Something has to give.

Heck, I’d Trade him and Alex Smith to Cleveland.

Sassy Squatch 01-08-2018 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by bricks (Post 13345289)
Peters value is at a premium right now; with him the defense still sucks but is in need of a major overhaul.

What difference does it make if we keep him provided that the defense still sucks? They’re still gonna suck anyway provided that they keep Sutton. Peters is only one guy. One piece to the puzzle that isn’t even as important compared to other areas of the defense like def coordinator, pass rusher, etc.

The message is quite simple defense needs a rebuild and at this point in time it’s about getting our priorities in order. They could trade Peters and maybe get a 1st rounder for him? That would be excellent value and I’d do it in a heartbeat if it means getting a top pass rusher through the draft. Even if we can’t find a better corner to replace him, we could still get excellent value for him in return and address other important areas of the defense. Jmo.

*Besides we shouldn’t even be thinking about keeping Peters at this point. We should be thinking about stripping this whole defense down and rebuilding it from the bottom up. We just have to rebuild there and in order to do that, we need the best possible value by getting the best draft pick possible or trying to as many draft picks as possible. You want good value? You need to give up something to get something good in return. That’s how it goes sometimes. Something has to give.

Heck, I’d Trade him and Alex Smith to Cleveland.

Good idea. Lets just completely rip the ass out of this defense instead of supplementing the 5 talented guys we already have.

gblowfish 01-08-2018 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by TambaBerry (Post 13344810)
Why would buffalo be laughing all the way to the podium with our pick? We have ****ing Mahomes they don't. I would do that trade over and over again no regrets

Look at the deal from Buffalo's perspective. They just had to move down 17 spots in last year's draft for flipping first round spots with us. With our pick last year, they took cornerback TreDavious White from LSU. So they got a shut down starting corner. They parlayed the number three pick we sent them by moving that pick to the LA Rams to move up in the second round to take wide receiver Zay Jones.

And they get our only first round pick (so far) in the upcoming 2018 draft. We don't know exactly where that pick will be, but probably around 27 again.

When the Bills played the Chiefs this season, they came to Arrowhead and beat us in our own house. We didn't even play the guy we moved up to draft. Zay Jones had a TD catch to start the game and give the Bills a lead. White had the game snuffing interception on Alex Smith to ice the game.

The Bills went as far as we did in the Playoffs this year. And they have our number one pick going in to this draft. At this point we don't know who they'll take with that pick, or if they deal it to move up in the 2018 draft themselves, as they'll still have their number one pick as well.

The guy we got for the pick played in one game this season in a meaningless game.

So, as far as 2017 goes, the Bills definitely got the better of the deal in terms of impact. Bills plugged two glaring needs, one on offense, and one on defense, and have two first round picks as draft capital in 2018.

Now, if Mahomes ends up being the savior of this franchise and a marquee player for ten years, then yes, the trade will be well worth it. But up to this point in the exchange, the Bills have definitely enjoyed a more immediate positive impact.

The true long term value of the trade and its full results are still pending. And the Chiefs may get a first round pick back for 2018 by dealing Alex or other players. It's a long way to June.

The amusing thing to me is, both GMs who consummated the trade both got canned immediately afterwards. That tells me there may have been some discontent with the arrangement in both camps.


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